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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 5:51:47 AM   
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The thread is about race, started by someone on the right, yet you seem to feel that isnt baiting.

So ... showing and discussing an example of race-baiting by a reporter on the left means that the person who identifies it is race-baiting themselves?

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 6:05:02 AM   
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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 6:33:06 AM   
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The math is simple, even for you.

Total debt at the end of GWB's budgets, 9.6 trillion.
Debt now 14.8 trillion
Increase to now, 5.2 trillion.
Future cost of Obamacare 4.5 trillion
Total debt incurred under/by Obama 9.7 trillion

9.7>9.6

You're ignoring the long term costs of GWB's wars and making up figures for the ACA, it reduces the debt not increaes it.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 7:06:01 AM   
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The thread is about race, started by someone on the right, yet you seem to feel that isnt baiting.

So ... showing and discussing an example of race-baiting by a reporter on the left means that the person who identifies it is race-baiting themselves?

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A Cain presidency is interesting on so many levels... professors who spend their time trying to cast the vote as an exposure of the racism instead of issues, liberals who will finally understand that its not race stupid, it is the economy, the policies, the furthering of the attack on the Constitution, commentators who can no longer rely on the race card as a preface to give an imagined legitimacy to the tripe that spills from their lips... I mean hell, the left might be in danger of implosion while it grapples with the thought that are we racist because we don't agree with him?




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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 7:33:28 AM   
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The math is simple, even for you.

Total debt at the end of GWB's budgets, 9.6 trillion.
Debt now 14.8 trillion
Increase to now, 5.2 trillion.
Future cost of Obamacare 4.5 trillion
Total debt incurred under/by Obama 9.7 trillion

9.7>9.6
One more time:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/obamas-and-bushs-effect-on-the-deficit-in-one-graph/2011/07/25/gIQAELOrYI_blog.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews&fb_source=home_multiline

Link is playing games, try this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24sun4.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

quote:

A few lessons can be drawn from the numbers. First, the Bush tax cuts have had a huge damaging effect. If all of them expired as scheduled at the end of 2012, future deficits would be cut by about half, to sustainable levels. Second, a healthy budget requires a healthy economy; recessions wreak havoc by reducing tax revenue. Government has to spur demand and create jobs in a deep downturn, even though doing so worsens the deficit in the short run. Third, spending cuts alone will not close the gap. The chronic revenue shortfalls from serial tax cuts are simply too deep to fill with spending cuts alone. Taxes have to go up.



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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 9:21:58 AM   
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So ... showing and discussing an example of race-baiting by a reporter on the left means that the person who identifies it is race-baiting themselves?

Firm




Yes, when the thread is titled and worded as it is. This isnt the first thread on the subject started by the same poster.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 9:51:21 AM   
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Well, how should I have worded it. When Obama was running the left portrayed any opposition to him as race based, and here we have a vehemently hostile interview of another black man who is running for president.

With the point of the thread being far left MSNBCs double standard, and especially in light of the angry undertone on the part of O'Donnell, what should the title of the thread have been.



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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 10:05:08 AM   
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Uh, when Cain accused Obama of insulting Blacks that was race baiting too - are we to assume that Cain does not agree with Obama and that Blacks should not participate in the democratic process?

We all should, and I think it's pretty insulting of Cain to suggest that anybody shouldn't.

Is equality having a Black Massa instead of a White one? Sounds like typical con logic to me.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 10:14:58 AM   
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Typical paternalistic con bullshit - truuusssssts meeeee...

They should be putting on their hip waders for that.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 11:02:54 AM   
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Typical paternalistic con bullshit - truuusssssts meeeee...

They should be putting on their hip waders for that.

Yeah, we know how paternalistic they are, keeping the blacks in that liberal plantation of dependency .... oh, wait, you said "conservative"? 

My bad. 

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 11:16:58 AM   
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So ... showing and discussing an example of race-baiting by a reporter on the left means that the person who identifies it is race-baiting themselves?


Yes, when the thread is titled and worded as it is. This isnt the first thread on the subject started by the same poster.

Actually, I think he worded it quite well, and pointing out exactly how MSNBC and O'Donnell was indeed race-baiting (among other things).

As Sanity asked, if you were a conservative who was tired as shit of the American liberal left always attempting to call any conservative racists (or, in this case "not black enough"), how would you suggest that he should have worded it?

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 11:18:30 AM   
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oh, yeah ...

I suspect we'll start hearing the words "oreo" and "uncle tom" any day now, too.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 12:50:22 PM   
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Icarys,

On the examples you keep bringing up with regard to Cain, I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree.  We obviously see things from different points of view.

I won't say that I feel everything Cain has said or done... or not said or done... suits me just fine, but so far I've not seen anything that particularly alarms me.  Like anyone else, he has weak points and strong points.  At this early date, however, I feel that Cain's strengths far outweigh his weaknesses.  That may change before the election, or not.  Only time will tell.

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Hey Treasure..Did you or Firm work out the practicals of Cains 999 plan concerning the poor? I didn't see that in your reply.


With regard to the 9-9-9 plan, I can't say that I honestly have enough information on how it would be implemented in order to "work out the practicals".  I do think, overall, it is a reasonable starting point.  Our tax code is a disaster and I'm all for seriously exploring either a flat tax, national sales tax, or VAT... or some combination thereof.   

Is 9% equitable?  No idea at the moment. 

Is what we have now equitable?  Absolutely not.

I would like to hear a lot more in the way of details on Cain's 9-9-9 plan before the election.  Whether or not we get those details may significantly affect how I vote.

I probably lean a lot closer to Ron Paul's idea of fixing the tax system, but I have to be realistic and admit that I don't think it would ever happen.  I may have strong libertarian leanings, but I also recognize that this Country isn't made up of only (or even mostly) people who think like I do.  There is going to have to be compromise on all sides.

I like Ron Paul and a lot of what he has to say.  I don't agree with everything, but quite a bit.  To be honest, though, I don't think this Country could handle the kind of change he advocates.  Not all at once, or even gradually over as much as a decade.

While Herman Cain isn't what I would consider the perfect candidate, he certainly comes a lot closer to representing the kind of change that I believe would put us on the right track, and still be palatable to the majority. 

Again, that may change.  It's still early.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 1:44:03 PM   
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Icarys,

On the examples you keep bringing up with regard to Cain, I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree. We obviously see things from different points of view.

I won't say that I feel everything Cain has said or done... or not said or done... suits me just fine, but so far I've not seen anything that particularly alarms me. Like anyone else, he has weak points and strong points. At this early date, however, I feel that Cain's strengths far outweigh his weaknesses. That may change before the election, or not. Only time will tell.

Fair enough.

I hope though you're incorrect and they see him for what I believe is the truth. His comments on the "Patriot Act", His flip flop on multiple issues including but not limited to the Fed and all of the other (What I see as) truths that are just under the surface, just bother me.

I'd love to see a Georgian  in office but only if he's constitutionally sound and not sounding.


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With regard to the 9-9-9 plan, I can't say that I honestly have enough information on how it would be implemented in order to "work out the practicals". I do think, overall, it is a reasonable starting point. Our tax code is a disaster and I'm all for seriously exploring either a flat tax, national sales tax, or VAT... or some combination thereof.

Is 9% equitable? No idea at the moment.

Is what we have now equitable? Absolutely not.

I would like to hear a lot more in the way of details on Cain's 9-9-9 plan before the election. Whether or not we get those details may significantly affect how I vote.

I probably lean a lot closer to Ron Paul's idea of fixing the tax system, but I have to be realistic and admit that I don't think it would ever happen. I may have strong libertarian leanings, but I also recognize that this Country isn't made up of only (or even mostly) people who think like I do. There is going to have to be compromise on all sides.


As it stands, I'm going on his words at face value. On the surface it doesn't even sound good. 9% income tax and 9% consumption tax on people that aren't paying a lot or any at this point because they are poor. Take someone who's making 25,000 or less and work out there income based on his idea.

http://www.mybudget360.com/how-much-does-the-average-american-make-in-2010-household-income-new-data-100-million-make-less-than-40000/

How many people are making below 20,000? How will that work for them? Is it more or less tax really.

When it comes to Dr.Paul, I understand it's going to be a fight but I believe once he does a few things that he has the power to do, the economy will begin to turn around. He'll begin to garner even more support than he does now and it's growing. He works well with coalitions to get things done now and he has support from the left, a lot of it, for certain issues. So even though it will be a fight, we'll be headed in the right direction for a change. I'm not sure how you and Firm think about the war but that's one of the things I believe will be done and will liven up the economy once it is done. The other will be an audit of the Fed. He has huge support and is about to hopefully get something through. If he does and they are found to be negligent, I'm fairly sure he'll have support for closing it. I know he does with the American people.

For one of the first times in our history, especially recent history, it won't be politics as usual coming from the white house. He'll be able to do more, I believe, because of that.


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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 2:10:59 PM   
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Is 9% equitable? No idea at the moment.

You are an adult and have been a contributor to these boards for several years and have discussed u.s. income tax extensively...When do you think you might "get an idea" whether 9% is or is not equitable?

Is what we have now equitable? Absolutely not.

What do you feel is inequitable about it?

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 5:14:36 PM   
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So ... showing and discussing an example of race-baiting by a reporter on the left means that the person who identifies it is race-baiting themselves?


Yes, when the thread is titled and worded as it is. This isnt the first thread on the subject started by the same poster.

Actually, I think he worded it quite well, and pointing out exactly how MSNBC and O'Donnell was indeed race-baiting (among other things).

As Sanity asked, if you were a conservative who was tired as shit of the American liberal left always attempting to call any conservative racists (or, in this case "not black enough"), how would you suggest that he should have worded it?

Firm



If you think "not black enough " is acceptable, then good for you.

"Cain shows up arsehole leftie" would have covered it. I didnt see the interviewer accuse cain of "not being black enough"

You may not see a pattern in his posts, but I do, stretching back to 2008. including one remark I pointed out in post 40, I will quote my own words.

"Interesting thread and words from someone who once said something like "the left have to keep racism alive, so they can win the election"

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 5:46:27 PM   
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and we all hear uncle tom and oreo as bating...from a rightie, yeah, Firm congrats, lefty bating and race baiting accusations, from a nice position.
Talk about confirmation bias


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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/9/2011 6:43:19 PM   
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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/06/herman-cain-barack-obama-black-man-/1

GOP's Herman Cain: Obama 'not a strong black man'

This comment is particularly disturbing.

Through out the history of slavery,segregation,jim crow,race-hatred and prejustice,up to today,the one main theme is destroy the black man.

Assassinate his charactor,ruin his ability to work or support a family,burn his barn,question his manhood,call him a boy,etc. etc., whatever.

Cain knows this.

He knows how charged these words are.

He knows these are code words and what they mean.

Shame on him.



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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/10/2011 9:56:32 AM   
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Republicans are racists.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/10/2011 3:09:41 PM   
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The math is simple, even for you.

Total debt at the end of GWB's budgets, 9.6 trillion.
Debt now 14.8 trillion
Increase to now, 5.2 trillion.
Future cost of Obamacare 4.5 trillion
Total debt incurred under/by Obama 9.7 trillion

9.7>9.6

You're ignoring the long term costs of GWB's wars and making up figures for the ACA, it reduces the debt not increaes it.


They are now Obama's wars, so feel free to include them. The numbers for Obamacare are real. Reduces the debt....what a joke.


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