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Hippiekinkster -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 12:33:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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I've been an atheist for longer than you've been alive. Don't presume to educate me about atheism, sonny.
what the fuck does that have to do with anything? i mean really now, its not like you get better at not believing. what the fuck does it matter how long you haven't believed, one minute or 100 years, its not like you don't believe even more with time.

and what the fuck is there to be educated about? do you need to learn how not to believe?

atheism 101
lesson #1: there is no god.
lesson #2: there is no lesson #2, that's all there is to it. course complete.



Well, gee, how do I explain this to you? The Spanish "Master" is dredging up all kinds of bullshit about the OED, "weak" vs "strong", "agnostic is the same as atheist".

AT some point he'll probably come up with "atheism is a belief system".

OF COURSE there is no god. That fact, however, is not the point of my rebuke, which you obviously completely missed in your zeal to inform everyone that
"lesson #1: there is no god.
lesson #2: there is no lesson #2, that's all there is to it. course complete."

"‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.’

‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master – that’s all.’"

Do you get it or not?









HannahLynHeather -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 12:36:27 AM)

you missed the fucking point. those are things anybody can study and learn, they have fuck all to do with being an atheist.



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 12:41:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
you missed the fucking point. those are things anybody can study and learn, they have fuck all to do with being an atheist.

I edited my answer. You expressed a question ("what it is to study"), and I answered to that question. Same as, when you say that it does not matter how I define god, you do not believe in god. I am answering to that sentences. I am not discussing that point of yours, which is essentially correct.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 12:41:58 AM)

uh, you made a statement that i questioned. what all the humpty dumpty shit has to do with anything, well fucked if i know. but then again i don't have a clue what you are on about half the time, like that bullshit society of the spectacle  thing you keep insisting i read. i mean what the fuck do i want with some marxist tract?



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 12:42:57 AM)

HannahLynHeather: If you have any more questions to me, please put my alias or quote me, and formulate them completely and without the word "fuck" on it. I am having some problems understanding you :/ . If not, we can leave it for now, I guess.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 12:46:34 AM)

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without the word "fuck" on it.
[sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif]dream on amigo, dream on. look, just add me to your fucking "hide' list, because that isn't going to fucking happen, not for you or for anybody. 



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 12:50:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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without the word "fuck" on it.
[sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif]dream on amigo, dream on. look, just add me to your fucking "hide' list, because that isn't going to fucking happen, not for you or for anybody. 

Hannah, you misinterpreted me. As I said, I understand that everbody expresses as their please. You have still not insulted me or disrespected me, so I am not going to put you in "hide" (forunately I do not need a list). I will simply not answer the question :) . That's all.
But I see you have no more questions anyway, so I leave the thread and wish you good luck. See you.



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 12:55:57 AM)

As a way to say goodbye, again the answers:

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cheri stated repeatedly that she still believed in a higher power, just not the one of the abrahamic religions, yet she still got shit loads of congratulatory mail from atheists. what the fuck?

I congratulated for bein independent enough in her criteria, and thoughful enough, to reject the abrahamic religions, in a society where they are indoctrinated to children, in such a young age she had, and for the reasons she did. Abrahamic religions are the most dangerous and harmful religions of the world.

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do they lose the ability to read along with their belief?

As you can see - no.

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second. congratulating somebody on being an atheist seems like a really fucking weird thing to do, to congratulate somebody on not believing in a fairy tale, i mean when was the last time you walked up to some fucker and said "way to go for not believing in the easter bunny dude"?

Contrary to the easter bunny, people who believe on the abrahamic religions are provoking a huge amount of pain and sorrow in the Earth. One member less for them is always good news, and increases the chance (even if only a chance) that she won't believe in ANY dogmatic, fanatic system (of course, she MAY become a fanatic maoist, but the chances are not high).

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third. what the fuck would you have to discuss on an atheist discussion group?

Things related to atheism, without the interference of believers. We posted you a whole amount of subjects. It does not mean that they make you "more atheist", but they definitely have to do with atheism and some people may want to discuss them without believer's interference.

All this are reasonable answers. You can get them or leave them. Nobody forces you to share the interests of other people. But here they are, and they are enough.

Goodbye.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 1:00:26 AM)

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of course, she MAY become a fanatic maoist, but the chances are not high
i don't know about that, she's pretty fucking firmly in the ndp camp.



tazzygirl -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 1:10:40 AM)

done playing with the... spanish one? (gotta keep this "nice")



blacksword404 -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 1:21:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

get a room? fuck no! i want to force my kink on you and the rest of the general public without your fucking consent![sm=flash.gif] [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/smiley-sex023.gif[/image]

muahahahahaha!




What if I like it!

Then your truly fucked!!!! 




I thought this too. Crazy bitch who's good in bed. Awful. " Someone help me. I don't like her but I can't not fuck her." Better never to find out.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 1:29:20 AM)

i guess.



DeviantlyD -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 2:46:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
Good. I'm glad it was annoying. That classification of degrees of atheism doesn't come from the OED, it comes from Richard Dawkins.

I've been an atheist for longer than you've been alive. Don't presume to educate me about atheism, sonny.


Consult the Oxford dictionary. Not Dawkins. The Oxford dictionary. I did put you the link already, but you do not read what I am writing.

For the rest: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheist

There you will find that agnostics are included in the group of atheists, as I said the English language does.

As for the classification between strong / weak Atheist, was there before Dawkins was born... it relies on Karl Marx strong/weak differentiation. Marx being Aheist long before your father was born... [:D].

Actually, for your shame and ridicule, Dawkins precisely critisizes this classification prefering a stochastic approach. "The God Delusion" p. 50-51.

And now I "hide" you because I prefer not to read people who want to be annoying and do not pay attention. Oh, and yes, the argumentum ad verecundiam is also pretty ridiculous.


Yeah, I'm sure Hippiekinster is so sad that he's been blocked by SMM. I know I am. *boo hoo!* See? :D

Since I'm blocked , I won't address this to SMM, but anyone else who cares to read.

There is nothing on the Oxford Dictionary page he linked that even remotely hints at a agnosticism. I don't know what he's on about. Maybe he's had one too many German beers over there.



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ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster


If you can have a "female studies" you can have "Atheist studies".


I have to say that SMM continues to stun me with his amazingly ludicrous analogies. Seriously. Comparing the study of being an atheist to the complexity of study involved with being a woman? I'm starting to doubt that you've ever even known a woman - except online. And we all know that not all online "women" have vaginas. [:D]



DeviantlyD -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 3:17:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Yeah, I'm one of the congratulators, and yeah, I consider it like coming 'out' or like popping an intellectual hymen: painful and unlikely to be unpopped, but hope it's a lot of fun living well but free of the burden of arbitrary religious guilt. Oopsies! but the msg was intended to be supportive and sororal, nothing more.


Wow. So you're blaming "religion" and the belief in God for the burden of arbitrary religious guilt? No one can "make" you feel guilty. You either allow it, or you don't.



EmilyRocks -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 3:23:50 AM)

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So you're blaming "religion" and the belief in God for the burden of arbitrary religious guilt?
If it is religious guilt, then what else would you blame but religion?



DeviantlyD -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 3:26:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EmilyRocks

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So you're blaming "religion" and the belief in God for the burden of arbitrary religious guilt?
If it is religious guilt, then what else would you blame but religion?


Read the rest of my post.

People can try and apply guilt, but it's the recipient who chooses whether or not to take it on as guilt.

Edited to add:

It's people that use "guilt". Religion in and of itself doesn't apply it. Religion is a system. A system doesn't have emotion. The people involved in the system are the ones with that.



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 3:33:39 AM)

Oh my, -1 point for predictable anwer to avoid obvious question.

I knew it... who tells me to un-hide. Damn curiosity killed the cat. Hidden again.

Every time we blame a tool, we are blaming the people who created it and / or the people who use it.

"English MF! Do you speak it!?"

"Moscow had decided to take a stronger initiative in ..." Hey hey hey ! Cities do not take initiatives! [:D]
"The White House expressed concern on..." Houses do not have feelings! [:D][:D]

Childish...



EmilyRocks -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 3:36:50 AM)

Religious guilt is guilt that springs from religious beliefs, therefore religion is to blame for religious guilt, because without the religion, the guilt wouldn't be there. Hopefully you now get this very simple concept of cause and effect.



DeviantlyD -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 3:39:01 AM)

Yeah, 'fess up. You don't have anyone on hide. You merely pretend to do so and then announce that you have done so. No one cares when you say you've put them on hide. Just ask them. They will tell you. [:D]



SpanishMatMaster -> RE: what's with the atheists? (10/9/2011 3:40:29 AM)

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guilt that springs from

I guess the answer will be "feelings do not move, therefore it cannot spring"...
[:D]
That was the level of the previous answer, at least.



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