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Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 1:56:25 PM   
TheHeretic


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The first time I encountered this notion that the unemployed need federal protections to avoid discrimination, it was coming from Congressman Hank Johnson, the same guy who thought more Marines on Guam would cause the island to tip over, and sink. It seemed right up his alley.

Well, in their never-ending quest to divide and polarize the country, the Obama administration picked it up, and it is a provision in the President's jobs proposal.

I can appreciate the frustration of the long-term jobless, but I think this is a lousy idea.

There are some very good reasons an employer might prefer a candidate who has been working, to one who hasn't. Take the lady in the article. She was a school bus driver, who now wants to work at Fed-ex. Driving a bulky vehicle in an urban environment is a skill that can easily be dulled, and comes with a big liability risk for the employer. Consider physically demanding jobs. Is the warehouseman who has been on the couch for 18 months even still in shape to do the job safely, or is he going to be a workman's comp claim the first week? For any line of work, the mental edge can get dulled, and bad habits can settle in.

Then there is the fundamental approach of the liberals to the problem. The answer to business being nervous about hiring is to put down another layer of regulation, and open them up to further liabilities?

Oh wait. I get it now. It's another jobs program for lawyers, right?

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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 1:59:27 PM   
lobodomslavery


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Status: offline 		Personally there should be no bias. The jobs should go to the best candidate and that candidate could be the one who was sitting on the couch the past 18 months like me, cleverly biding our time, ingeniously waiting for the upturn to precipitate, you have to admit mate is it not a cunning and impressive stratagem, after all who wants to work in the middle of the worst recession in memory when team morale is at an all time low
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:06:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once Rich has been out of work for 6 months or so I bet he'll change his mind.

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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:08:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read the article this morning and thought how could we live in a country that always makes it possible to be bias against someone. I mean we run into other countries trying to save the world or save face, but we cannot take care of those who are unemployed. It is a real sad story.

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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:23:41 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		The way we take care of the unemployed in a free society, as opposed to a nanny-state, Orchid, is by promoting an environment of economic growth and recovery.

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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:30:09 PM   
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Personally there should be no bias. The jobs should go to the best candidate and that candidate could be the one who was sitting on the couch the past 18 months like me, cleverly biding our time, ingeniously waiting for the upturn to precipitate, you have to admit mate is it not a cunning and impressive stratagem, after all who wants to work in the middle of the worst recession in memory when team morale is at an all time low
kevin


Gee. So glad our taxes could allow you to sit at home on the couch for 18 months so you could wait for a better time to work that suits you. Don't bother applying where my husband has been sticking with the company through thick and thin for 25 years.
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:30:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		A friend said this.   I think it pretty much covers it

A job is where you exchange time/labor/talent for money. Work is where you make the world a better place each day. A career is for those that can do both at the same time. I'm upset that Occupy Wall Street would work at taking the benefit of my job away. They know some of us will still do the work because it makes the worker a better person. But then Occupy Wall Street is against anyone being better than anyone else. So eventually I will have to quit my job to be as miserable as them. Nice plan Occupy Wall Street, if everyone is destitute then there will be a black market in producing goods and services. It seems like I watched a bunch of cold war movies where they were doing that in Russia.

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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:33:15 PM   
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:34:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The last time I checked America was not in the Republic of Ireland but maybe im wrong maybe you are bi locatable. As for you paying taxes to allow me sit at home, dont make me erupt into guffaws, please, im sitting at home at nobody's expense but MY OWN, i am NOT repeat NOT in receipt of government asssitance , social welfare, social security or any other state support
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:37:06 PM   
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A friend said this.   I think it pretty much covers it

A job is where you exchange time/labor/talent for money. Work is where you make the world a better place each day. A career is for those that can do both at the same time. I'm upset that Occupy Wall Street would work at taking the benefit of my job away. They know some of us will still do the work because it makes the worker a better person. But then Occupy Wall Street is against anyone being better than anyone else. So eventually I will have to quit my job to be as miserable as them. Nice plan Occupy Wall Street, if everyone is destitute then there will be a black market in producing goods and services. It seems like I watched a bunch of cold war movies where they were doing that in Russia.


Seems your friend is full of shit.

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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:37:45 PM   
lobodomslavery


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Status: offline 		Back up the truck darling, back up the truck, its simply UNTRUE what you have said or at the very least inaccurate, saying QUALIFIED people who stay at home or are unemployed for a lengthy spell of time are LESS desirable bets than unqualified people who have a good current work history is like saying its preferable to get your teeth checked out by an unqualified student dentist than it is to have them checked out by a qualified professional. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys,. thats all im saying. your argument makes NO SENSE, glad you are not managing businesses over here, they would close within days
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:51:07 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		A dentist (or anyone in the medical field) who hasn't seen patients in the last two years is not nearly as qualified as someone who is currently interacting with patients.  They are up to date on the newest technologies and treatments because it is what they do each and every day.

My realm of personal experience in this matter has to do with working a HR position for a Fortune 500 company.  That goes from people working production line all of the way up through engineering techs.  The most dependable people that I hired, made it through the probationary period, and became full time employees after than ninety days always had their most recent job with a past employer in the last year.


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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:56:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

The way we take care of the unemployed in a free society..... is by promoting an environment of economic growth and recovery.



Impossible, given the short cuts and shenanigans on Wall Street.



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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:57:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

The last time I checked America was not in the Republic of Ireland but maybe im wrong maybe you are bi locatable. As for you paying taxes to allow me sit at home, dont make me erupt into guffaws, please, im sitting at home at nobody's expense but MY OWN, i am NOT repeat NOT in receipt of government asssitance , social welfare, social security or any other state support
kevin



If you live in Ireland, what the hell are you doing posting here? How much firsthand experience with the US economy could you possibly have? Seems to me you're just in here trying to stir up trouble.
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 2:58:12 PM   
lobodomslavery


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Status: offline 		OK put it like this would you like a student mechanic to fix your car or a mechanic who has five to seven years experience but has been out of the game 18 months, or would you prefer a student dentist who is learning the trade to a dentist who has 5-7 years experience but was unfortunate to lose his job and has been out of work for 18 months, i know who most rational people would choose, the point is form is temporary class is permanent, you cannot simply buy or replace the experience that someone who has qualifications has even with an unqualified person who has a steady job history, why do you think so many companies CANNOT find staff at the moment, its not because the staff arent there, its that they cannot find SUITABLY QUALIFIED staff to do the job, most companies look for people with degrees, honours degrees in many cases and some look for doctorates PHDs etc, don t try to tell me that a raw employee with no education can do as good a job, they simply cant NOT POSSIBLE, like i say if you pay peanuts you get monkeys
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 3:00:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Once Rich has been out of work for 6 months or so I bet he'll change his mind.



Well, that's a nice assumption about my character, Ken, but no. The last time I was stubbornly unemployed, and stuck in rotten finacial circumstances, I migrated a thousand miles, to where I could find a decent job.

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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 3:01:39 PM   
lobodomslavery


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Status: offline 		Ok Mstrss Scarlet did you know that the fundamental tenets of both the Irish and American Constitution is FREEDOM OF SPEECH, im damned if im going to let some jumped up domme deny me that right, just saying, im here for the forums nothing else. i also did not realise but maybe you can correct me on this that one of the criteria for being allowed on this board is that you must belong to either America or Great Britain, i thought the main criteria was that you were a kinkster who wanted to discuss kinky topics , i qualify on both counts
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 3:10:17 PM   
MstrssScarlet


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Status: offline 		This is not a kinky topic. It's about the US economy. You can talk all you want, but your opinion is ill informed at best. Rant away.
The US has been sending billions to your country in an attempt to keep it afloat, but with workers like you I can see why it's not working.
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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 3:14:03 PM   
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Back in the days when I hired and fired, I always had a preference for those folks with a good, current work history.  More often than not, it was a good bet.  The plain truth is that the more recent that a person has been used to getting up in the morning and going to work, the more reliable they are when it comes time to expect them to clock in on Monday morning.  The longer a person is out of the habit of getting up to go to work when the alarm clock goes off, the less dependable they tend to be.


I don't know what business you are in or when it was that was "back in the day," but in today's economy with so many people desperate for jobs, that logic simply doesn't apply. Many people who are searching for work get up to an alarm every day and "pound the pavement," whether they do it by getting on their home computer sending out resumes and trying to network or are out on interviews and meeting with headhunters.

The concept that someone who is already employed will make a better employee has one very major flaw. They are looking to jump ship at their current employer and have no loyalty to any company. Job hoppers are constantly looking for the better deal, and that doesn't make them a better employee.

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RE: Unemployed seek protection against job bias - 10/9/2011 3:17:46 PM   
lobodomslavery


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Status: offline 		Back up the truck love. The US may be sending billions to our country as you say but it also has to share its responsibility for this crushing recession, firstly the US is also spending billions on war, what is that about, the so called search for weapons of mass destruction, which WERE NOT there, and the gargantuan waste of money there, money that it could have used to support job creation and growth and finally the number of US companies that are SELFISHLY closing down in Ireland, despite the fact that some of them ARE continuing to make HEALTHY profits , just not as much as hertofore, some are continuing to make BILLIONS just not as much as hertofore and they use this as justification to render workers REDUNDANT , without jobs, because of their GREED and their INCOMPETENCE in dealing ineffectively with the challenges posed by the recession, so before you shoot from the hip, think about that Ma'am, its not exactly a picture of altruism that you might feel America is giving to other nations, its not, its taking more, US companies are responsible for the fact that millions are now unemployed FACT
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