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Awareness -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:36:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness you're impressed by Dommes. Wow. OK, I'll try to remember that. Nice - resorting to an out of context quote. Weak. quote: No. It was both. She felt she could enjoy the sessions more Her enjoyment is fucking irrelevant. She's a whore with pretensions who's being paid money to provide a service. She either deals with that or not. quote: But here's a thing for you: If I once thought that a femdom were BSing herself about how much more I'd enjoy a thing by her being more bossy - or even more self-centred - when, really her thinking is all about her enjoyment - I'd enjoy it even more. You're not her client, so your perspective is also irrelevant. Given your predilections, the entire idea of paying a woman to do that shit would probably fuck up your experience - because fundamentally you'd know full well if she was doing it for her enjoyment, it wouldn't be fucking costing you.

PeonForHer -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:37:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker You are exchanging money to get someone off. And so is any actress who trades on her looks in any Hollywood film. (Sharon Stone was perhaps the finest exemplar of all in Basic Instinct, given that.) And if that's true, then no doubt it's also true of any male actor who trades on his looks. Yada yada yada. OK, we can make a point about how they're all 'prostitutes'. And I have done, myself, in the past. (Though, me, I've always argued that those who prostitute themselves are those who prostitute their minds and their souls. Politicians and advertisings spring most to mind.) But really, ultimately, who cares? I mean jeez, folks. Really, isn't this some tedious old argument that we should have left behind centuries ago? So there are prostitutes and prostitutes. Fine. Let's just move the hell on.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:38:10 PM)
quote: Me, you see, it really would be important to me to know that the lapdancer is enjoying herself as she 'grinds herself' on me. The fun would be ruined for me the moment I saw, even for a split second, that she were nervous about whether or not I was enjoying it. I really would have to be able to convince myself that she were doing it mainly (at least) as a power-trip over me. and that, dear boy, would be your script in a nutshell. that's what you would want out of a pay-top, and you have every right to expect to fucking get it, now don't you? if you're paying, you want her to enjoy it and to take very little notice of exactly what your wants are and if you're enjoying shit. and you'd be annoyed if you paid and didn't get it. same thing with the fucking guy in the op, except he had a different script he wanted played out.

Hisprettybaby -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:41:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousPuppy It made me think of this amusing video :) I have to admit, it was funny. Kind of like The Meeting was.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:42:41 PM)
Oh and before you think we looked down on the working girls, absolutely not, we were as fascinated with the fact that they could casually shag a guy as they were with the fact that we could whip somebody casually. Simply different ways but really no lower or higher structure, if they were alright with what they did, cool beans. And I think a few months ago we already discussed the legal issues and how pandering and pimping was prosecuted, some of the girls actually enjoyed what they did, they couldn't understand that we enjoyed whipping a guy or doing "pervy" stuff to him. It's simply different stroked for different folks. There was the unwritten law in about every reputable dungeon that if you were taking it a step further, you ended the professional relationship and saw the guy privately, just to avoid confusion.

kalikshama -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:50:10 PM)
quote: No. It was both. She felt she could enjoy the sessions more - perhaps, just as you say, by being more bossy. And she also felt that he could enjoy them more, if she were able to be more bossy. But here's a thing for you: If I once thought that a femdom were BSing herself about how much more I'd enjoy a thing by her being more bossy - or even more self-centred - when, really her thinking is all about her enjoyment - I'd enjoy it even more. That is because I'm a sub male. Sub males tend to operate with perverted logic, on account of they - we - are perverts. You read it here first. ;-) Does this remotely resemble your mindset? quote: One in particular was always a pain in the ass to me. He continually topped from the bottom and he may as well have handed me a script when he walked through the door. quote: I should mention that his sessions tended to be really lousy and now I won't see him at all. All my other sessions tended to be fun and we both had a good time. I found that the harder the sub tried to top me, the worse the session turned out to be. quote: He was always pushing for things that were sexual in nature. That was a hard limit for me and I told him so many times. He would always deny it of course, but if I followed his "script", that's where it always lead. quote: If this WERE a relationship, I wouldn't care if we did what HE wanted every time. She should have just dumped him instead of trying to stuff his square peg into her round hole.

PeonForHer -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:53:12 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Wow. OK, I'll try to remember that. Nice - resorting to an out of context quote. Weak. I highlighted that comment of yours only because it was absolute bollocks in my case, Awareness. However, I'm sorry to have offended. quote: quote: No. It was both. She felt she could enjoy the sessions more Her enjoyment is fucking irrelevant. She's a whore with pretensions who's being paid money to provide a service. She either deals with that or not. Her enjoyment is not 'irrelevant', nor even 'fucking irrelevant'. I think we're all agreed here that a pro-Domme is domming as a job. I avoid taking take jobs that I don't enjoy as best I can, and I know that I do most jobs better if I'm enjoying them. And I also do know better than many of my clients, in many ways, what is good for them, than they do. quote: You're not her client, so your perspective is also irrelevant. Given your predilections, the entire idea of paying a woman to do that shit would probably fuck up your experience - because fundamentally you'd know full well if she was doing it for her enjoyment, it wouldn't be fucking costing you. Again, I must congratulate you on your use of expletives there, Awareness - it shows how strongly you feel, therefore how much stronger your argument must be. [:)] However, it's still too black and white a view. Clearly, there are plenty of male-subs - bottoms, whatever - who can get past the fact that they're paying and still feel that the pro-Domme 'has the power'.

PeonForHer -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:55:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: And so is any actress who trades on her looks in any Hollywood film. (Sharon Stone was perhaps the finest exemplar of all in Basic Instinct, given that.) And if that's true, then no doubt it's also true of any male actor who trades on his looks. fuck off, now your arguments are just getting fucking stupid. Grow up and stop the pose, Heather, there's a good girl. You must know by now that it doesn't work with me.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:56:43 PM)
quote: Well, I guess that's a closer analogy than whoever was earlier who compared it all to buying a joint of meat. But it's still wrong, because it doesn't capture the peculiar logic of a submale's mind. (Are you a sub, NS? Your profile says you're a Dom. I'm wondering if you can really relate, here . . . .) I'm not a submissive so I can't relate to how a submale would truly think but I think it is less about being dominant/submissive in our case than it is about being classy. quote: Me, you see, it really would be important to me to know that the lapdancer is enjoying herself as she 'grinds herself' on me. The fun would be ruined for me the moment I saw, even for a split second, that she were nervous about whether or not I was enjoying it. I really would have to be able to convince myself that she were doing it mainly (at least) as a power-trip over me. However, you have to admit you would be one of those very rare clients that would probably make the stripper in question wonder why someone as much a "gentleman" as you is there at all. Sadly, not every person they meet is going to be taking the 'performer's' satisfaction into mind and will be there because they just want to have a fun time for themselves. Judging by what you have projected to me thus far I have a hard time thinking you'd find yourself among dregs in that locale in the first place. I can personally say that I cannot derive any enjoyment out of paying money to 'inspire' a woman to do anything erotic for me simply since it is not how I wish to gain their participation.

PeonForHer -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:57:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Does this remotely resemble your mindset? (etc.) Yes, it did, once. When I was younger, more stuffed up, and more scared.

MissToYouRedux -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 5:59:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: If this WERE a relationship, I wouldn't care if we did what HE wanted every time. This quote was the comment that stood out to me, too. Doing "what HE wanted every time" in a relationship isn't my definition of the dominant side of D/s.

PeonForHer -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:07:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker However, you have to admit you would be one of those very rare clients that would probably make the stripper in question wonder why someone as much a "gentleman" as you is there at all. Honestly, NS - I'll assume that it was inadvertent on your part - but please, please try not to mould this into some moral thing. Hinting that I'm a 'gentleman' sets me up as someone on his high horse, just ripe to be knocked off it by those who are more 'righteous'. I really can't be arsed with engaging in that kind of argument. I know a woman - the daughter of a good friend, in fact (and, yup, that makes it difficult) who's a stripper. She told me that she gets what sounded like more of a subby buzz out of stripping than a dommy one. I told her how it worked for me, how strippers turn me on . . . and she got it. She knew my type. No, I'm no gentleman in all this. I'm just a different kind of a lecher, leching from a different place.

PeonForHer -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:10:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather my name is hannah, and what works with you is of no fucking interest to me or anybody else. you're in full suck up mode right now, and the shit you're saying is getting stupider and stupider by the fucking post. actresses are prostitutes!! jesus fucking mary in the tomb man, look at the shit you've been posting. No, your name isn't Hannah. Now piss off and try arguing with people who find you at least halfway plausible, you irritating little tit. I hope that helps. :-)

LadyConstanze -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:13:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather i love how you call it domming. it's fucking topping, not domming. domming is what you do with YOUR sub, not some guy who's paying for your attentions for an hour. he's not your sub, he's your fucking employer. you work for him. domming is what ladyp does with clip, what she does with others at events and parties is topping. domming is what i do with heather, topping is what i do with cheri. domming involves dominating, it involves a power exchange, and if you think that's what happens when somebody pays you to play a role so he can pretend, then you're more out of touch with fucking reality than most of the whackfucks on here. You might never have encountered it, but there are guys who have certain preferences but let you run with the rest, you can call it topping or domming, your choice, it's still not laying back and getting fucked, of course there is a difference between purely private play and being paid for your expertise, the difference me writing an article for a magazine or writing a blog where I can say what I want to say. In the end you have a choice if you accept the money and what you have to do for it, I always had a lot of leeway since I always had a vanilla job that paid the mortgage. The sessions I took, I possibly enjoyed a lot more than the fast food worker enjoys flipping burgers - does that make her a whore? I don't think so. One big thing in our scene is the consent, now how much more consent can you give than actually saying "I want you to do what you like with me, and I'm willing to pay for it"? As I said, for a role and a bit of slap and tickle, they could have had it much cheaper and a fuck on top of it in a brothel. As for me not being in touch with reality, Peon came and visited maybe 2 weeks ago, just a friendly visit with lots of food and drink, walks with the dogs, I think he got along with my other half really well, ask him how well in touch with reality I am. No offense, but I think your own experiences in that regard possibly clouded your vision a lot.

Hisprettybaby -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:14:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather my name is hannah, and what works with you is of no fucking interest to me or anybody else. you're in full suck up mode right now, and the shit you're saying is getting stupider and stupider by the fucking post. actresses are prostitutes!! jesus fucking mary in the tomb man, look at the shit you've been posting. No, your name isn't Hannah. Now piss off and try arguing with people who find you at least halfway plausible, you irritating little tit. I hope that helps. :-) lol

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:14:39 PM)
quote: No, your name isn't Hannah. it isn't? well fuck me over a barrel, i'll have to call my parents and tell them they made a mistake. pray tell me what my name really is?

PeonForHer -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:16:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: No, your name isn't Hannah. it isn't? well fuck me over a barrel, i'll have to call my parents and tell them they made a mistake. pray tell me what my name really is? God knows. Why not ask your school counsellor?

Hisprettybaby -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:17:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze there are guys who have certain preferences but let you run with the rest, you can call it topping or domming, your choice, it's still not laying back and getting fucked, of course there is a difference between purely private play and being paid for your expertise, the difference me writing an article for a magazine or writing a blog where I can say what I want to say. In the end you have a choice if you accept the money and what you have to do for it, I always had a lot of leeway since I always had a vanilla job that paid the mortgage. The sessions I took, I possibly enjoyed a lot more than the fast food worker enjoys flipping burgers - does that make her a whore? I don't think so. One big thing in our scene is the consent, now how much more consent can you give than actually saying "I want you to do what you like with me, and I'm willing to pay for it"? As I said, for a role and a bit of slap and tickle, they could have had it much cheaper and a fuck on top of it in a brothel. This. ^^^^

kalikshama -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:26:13 PM)
Psst - Heather uses the same purple font as LadyPact and her nick starts with "Heather." Hope that helps.

PeonForHer -> RE: Yet ANOTHER Pro Domme post (10/14/2011 6:35:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Psst - Heather uses the same purple font as LadyPact and her nick starts with "Heather." Hope that helps. Yes - thanks for that, Kalikshama. I keep forgetting. As I get older, I find I do have trouble remembering certain bollthings.

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