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JstAnotherSub -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 2:48:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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Are they old biddies as well? Are they snobs for not agreeing with your views?
No either they are lying, or the kids are only telling them what they want to hear. Personally my opinion leans towards the former.
Why would anyone lie about this?  There are folks, of all ages,  who see things differently than you.  It is opinions.

If I said you are lying about your opinion just to keep this argument going, that would be just as silly as what you are doing.





JstAnotherSub -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 2:50:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I never said anything about anyone's age. In fact, you're the one who brings up age in almost every discussion when others disagree with you.
And how do you know what the reasons behind others' decisions are? So now I (and the others who disagree with your assertions) are either what? Fallacious, unrealistic, cowardly, snobby or a prude because their ideas are different from yours? (talk about name-calling...you hit that one out of the ballpark.)
That's one way to close down a discussion. Everyone else is just too narrow minded to realize that my way is the only way. If you disagree with me you must be... (insert insulting term here)[8|][:-]

ETA: biddy brigade? I just caught that one. Cute. I'll start knitting booties as soon as I can figure out how to knit.
Oh please may I join the biddy brigade?



Epytropos -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 3:07:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

what about the ones who said they have sons and daughters your age who also find the idea of such tshirts to be innapropriate?

Are they old biddies as well? Are they snobs for not agreeing with your views?

Just curious.



What about them? Their sense of propriety should govern their dress, and I'm sure it does. It should not govern other people's, because those people aren't their property.



xxblushesxx -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 4:08:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I never said anything about anyone's age. In fact, you're the one who brings up age in almost every discussion when others disagree with you.
And how do you know what the reasons behind others' decisions are? So now I (and the others who disagree with your assertions) are either what? Fallacious, unrealistic, cowardly, snobby or a prude because their ideas are different from yours? (talk about name-calling...you hit that one out of the ballpark.)
That's one way to close down a discussion. Everyone else is just too narrow minded to realize that my way is the only way. If you disagree with me you must be... (insert insulting term here)[8|][:-]

ETA: biddy brigade? I just caught that one. Cute. I'll start knitting booties as soon as I can figure out how to knit.
Oh please may I join the biddy brigade?



I'd love it. Since I seem to be the only member...[:-][:o][&o]



barelynangel -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 4:12:12 AM)

At a school function, like it or not, the SCHOOL administration DOES in fact govern the dress of the kids representing them. You can't say that it's okay for the kids who don't think they are appropriate to have an opinion on them and then post what you have above about kids who think they are inappropriate.   You either aportion the same value of kids opinions or you disregard them all.

The KIDS whether they think the shirts are appropriate or not, did not make the decision as to whether or not they can be worn, so to imply these kids are somehow responsible for governing what the school decided. 

angel



xxblushesxx -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 4:13:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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But all you're doing now is putting down anyone who dares to disagree with you.
You have ignored what I said and have twisted my words in a transparent attempt to discredit my position. And when challenged to actually present one of the supposedly well thought out arguments that haven't been shown to be baseless, rather than admit that you can't, you resort to yet more of the same.

Have fun with that.


Did not. *sticks out tongue*
I actually just got tired and couldn't be bothered going through an eleven page thread.
Nothing I say/said is/was going to make a difference regardless.



LondonLenny -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 4:57:08 AM)

Fast Replie


I dont mind birds with big knockers weering slogans on there vests. Skiny young ones shouldnt though. Its embarasing.



poise -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 5:49:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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But all you're doing now is putting down anyone who dares to disagree with you.
You have ignored what I said and have twisted my words in a transparent attempt to discredit my position. And when challenged to actually present one of the supposedly well thought out arguments that haven't been shown to be baseless, rather than admit that you can't, you resort to yet more of the same.

Have fun with that.


I happen to read your position as clearly as if you were standing at the podium
under a bright neon light and shouting through a megaphone. But it no longer
references the age appropriate factor, but the heatherisalwaysright factor. If
anyone has discredited your position, it was you.

You’re argument starts off with “Since most girls are thinking about being felt
up and are already flashing boobies on cam, its age appropriate” and then resorts to
“Littlewonder, barelyanangel and xxblushesxx are lying about their very own
children and must not be in touch with reality, because what they say opposes my
views, and since myself and every female I know has no issue with flashing our
titties, this means there is no doubt that I am still right and they are all wrong!

Here’s an argument for you. If all the girls you associate with go and jump off a
bridge, does that mean that ALL girls are going to do it?

As for the OP, if I had daughters, and I chose to send them to a public school,
I am allowing that school to dictate the dress code. My argument wouldn’t be
whether I found it age appropriate or not, but whether or not it was violating
that dress code. The message here isn’t whether or not a school should support
breast cancer, but whether it can be done in a fashion that isn’t offensive to
ANYONE, regardless of age.



GreedyTop -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 5:54:20 AM)

DAMMIT POISE!!

*grumbles about having to learn to identify another avatar*

(not that it isnt HAWT...) lol



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 6:03:02 AM)

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I said you are lying about your opinion just to keep this argument going, that would be just as silly as what you are doing.
No it isn't. Its completely unrelated. Have a shot of Geritol and do try harder.
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Oh please may I join the biddy brigade?
Oh don't worry, you are the founding member and guiding light. Christina just happens to be agreeing with your little gang on this issue.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 6:04:25 AM)

Well duh. But the decision made was wrong.[8|]



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 6:06:18 AM)

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Nothing I say/said is/was going to make a difference regardless.
Why would it, as I have said nothing said by those on your side amounts to more than "because I said so!", it takes more than that to make me reconsider a position.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 6:08:59 AM)

Thanks for the summation, however you left out the very important detail. that the opposing side has presented nothing but foolishness to support their position. And that includes your "don't offend anybody" line of reasoning <a phrase used with great generosity here>.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 6:31:49 AM)

There are a couple of issues here, the first being the students' rights to free speech. A person's constitutional rights are not suspended because they are underage a/o enrolled in public school.

In my mind, whether the administration had the authority to make the decision could be argued from a legal standpoint.

As to the appropriateness of the slogan, I liked it and thought it was quite age appropriate. Breasts are, after all, meant to feed babies and are only sexual if someone sees them that way. Teenaged boys and men of all ages (and females so inclined) will see breasts and sexualize them as a matter of course. I think it hardly matters what exactly is covering those breasts and frankly a t shirt is fairly innocuous.

By the time kids enter into their teens I personally think they should be allowed a great deal of intellectual freedom; it prepares them for the full freedom they will get in just a few short years.

The school had a marvelous chance to teach a great civics lesson and they blew it (JMO, YMMV).

BTW those the girls won't we wearing the t shirts (they don't want to risk suspension) so they are selling them for 15 bucks. One of the girl's parents and others will be wearing the shirts to the game.

Old Biddy Chatte




Marc2b -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 6:34:57 AM)

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But can't we disagree on what's appropriate/inappropriate without one side being socially inept/nasty hos and the other side being prudes/old biddies? I know I happen to NOT be a prude, (imo) but I do make choices on what is socially acceptable for MY family. Everyone else must do the same.


Agreed. Contrary to what some people think, a sense of civil propriety and a joyful approach to life are not mutually exclusive.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 6:58:51 AM)

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Contrary to what some people think, a sense of civil propriety and a joyful approach to life are not mutually exclusive.
True, that combination only seems impossible for a select few. However, I'll remind you of this position the next time you are drooling over somebody's tits or suggesting Suze post some nudes for your entertainment.



Marc2b -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 7:22:42 AM)

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True, that combination only seems impossible for a select few. However, I'll remind you of this position the next time you are drooling over somebody's tits or suggesting Suze post some nudes for your entertainment.


Like I said it is all a matter of the appropriateness of the venue. I have no problem telling some hot babe here on CM that I'd like to bend her over a table and fuck her righteously... but I would never say that to the bank teller while I'm making a deposit, even though it's just as true.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 7:31:00 AM)

The bravery of being out of range?

Why is civil propriety important when people disagree with you here on CM, but not when dealing with a girl young enough to be your daughter and you think there's a chance of you seeing her boobs? How come you're all for "old fashioned" propriety in the first case, but all hip and street in the second?



IrishMist -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 8:01:16 AM)

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No either they are lying, or the kids are only telling them what they want to hear. Personally my opinion leans towards the former.

*snicker*
My daughter will get a kick out of that. She is known, not only with me, but with anyone who listens, of sprouting off her opinion and then sticking to it like glue. She was given free reign early on in her years to speak her mind, no matter what may be on her mind at that time. She has never said something simply because it may be what I want to hear.

LOL. I definitly have to share that one with her.

I have always been one of those who has stated that no one, absolutly no one, has the right to tell me how I can raise my children, and that goes as far as saying that no one has the right to tell me what they can and can not wear. I taught my children to believe in the same thing, and that extends to me. [&:] My youngest is now 17 years old; if she wanted to wear that shirt to school and in public, she would, despite my disagreeing with her. She would also, however, be expected to accept any and all responsibility for consequenses that would come from wearing such a shirt. If the school sent her home for wearing inappropriate clothing, then it falls to her to discuss it rationally, and maturally with school...and then come home and change BECAUSE THE SCHOOL has that authority. And it is that authority which I support.



HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 8:03:52 AM)

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And it is that authority which I support.
Even when that authority is being misused?



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