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IrishMist -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 8:13:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: And it is that authority which I support. Even when that authority is being misused? Ah, but there is the kicker. In this case, I don't feel that their authority is being misused. All we are talking about here is a t-shirt, a piece of clothing. In the big scheme of things, I support the schools and their dress codes. Now, granted, there are other things that I have gone to fight with the school systems over in regards to something with my kids, but the dress codes are not one, and never will be one. If my daughter, or hell, any of my kids, ever wanted to 'fight' the school over such a thing, I would support their right to do so, but I would not agree with them. And the same would go for anything that they felt was unfair or unrealistic. I taught my kids to always stand up for what they believe in. My own personal opinion be damned. As long as they, personally, accept all responsibility for their actions. In this case though, I don't feel that the school is abusing their authority, they are simply excercising it. If those cheerleaders truly felt that those shirts were not inappropriate, then they should have taken a stand. My daughter would have.

Marc2b -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 8:25:43 AM)
quote: The bravery of being out of range? Why is civil propriety important when people disagree with you here on CM, but not when dealing with a girl young enough to be your daughter and you think there's a chance of you seeing her boobs? How come you're all for "old fashioned" propriety in the first case, but all hip and street in the second? Bravery or the lack thereof has nothing to do with it. CM is a sex site, it is a place where a person can let their hair down (so to speak). It is a perfectly acceptable venue for sex jokes and the airing one’s “dirty” thoughts. You expect that the people on CM to have certain mindset that makes such talk acceptable. The lobby of a bank is another matter. I have no way of knowing if the teller would be receptive to such talk and it is simply a matter of respect. Even if I knew that the bank teller was a regular on CM and a depraved slut to boot, I still wouldn’t say anything about it in the bank… it is simply not the appropriate place for such talk. Look at it this way. I’ve seen posters (myself included) make suggestive comments to you in a way that was meant to be light hearted and fun, and you have apparently taken them as such and returned in kind. But what if you were walking down the street one day and some guy pulls up alongside you says the same things? Are you going to take it as some light hearted joshing or are you going to be offended (and probably scared)? The appropriateness of the venue matters, at least it does if you have any respect for others. That is all I am saying (to bring this back to the original topic). I am all for students holding fund raisers and putting out positive messages about a deadly disease (I’ve lost a relative and a close friend to cancer). I just don’t think it is appropriate to be making sex jokes about it (and calling them bumps is making it a sex joke) at a school sponsored event. So what if the kids talk dirty to each other all the time? That just makes this the perfect opportunity to teach them about the appropriate levels of behavior in different venues. I would also have no problem if CM wanted to sponsor a donation drive to fund breast cancer research and call it “save the ta-tas.” They could use a slogan like, “mastectomies take all the fun out of tit bondage,” with a picture of a Dom or Domme holding some rope and a nipple clamp and looking all forlorn and I wouldn’t think anything of it. Hell, I’d probably laugh. If I saw that on a billboard while driving down the road, however, I wonder what the Hell they were thinking, that kind of shit don’t belong in public. Like I said, it is a matter of respect. That’s my opinion on the matter and I’m sticking with it.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 8:56:03 AM)
Fair enough, I do see it as an abuse of authority.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 9:18:47 AM)
I saw it as abuse of authority as well, Heather. When my daughter was a teen, she was a member of the chgo swim team. Team suits were always a conservative one piece, but let's face it, any girl wearing a wet swimsuit is "on display" by those who wish to sexualize her. There were never any issues even remotely like that at any of the many swim meets I attended. Nor did she ever complain of any, and trust me, my daughter would be the first to complain. If I had been faced with a situation similar to the cheerleaders, I would have asked my daughter's opinion, and supported that wholeheartedly, whether it be for or against the t shirt. Whatever the school decided I would have turned it into a civics lesson. It reminds me far too much of my own high school days when people were suspended from public school for how they dressed (long haired hippy style). My viewpoint is it's my job as a parent to raise a "good citizen" and for me part of that is supporting my child's intellectual freedom and constitutional right to free speech. And let's be clear, by rights I mean the right to wear the t shirt OR NOT.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 9:21:37 AM)
quote: You expect that the people on CM to have certain mindset that makes such talk acceptable. Yet you agreed with a statement calling for just such talk to not happen here on CM. You want us all to behave with decorum, unless there's a chance at seeing some of those teenaged tits you're so very upset about a t-shirt referring to. quote: But what if you were walking down the street one day and some guy pulls up alongside you says the same things? I usually laugh and flash my rainbow pin and tell them "Sorry, wrong plumbing, you can't touch this." If they are particularly witty about it, I'll flash them my tits or panties. I'm a slut and I dress like a slut, I have to expect the comments, my outfits say "fuckbunny" loud and clear. Hell's bells, the whole point of dressing the way I do is to attract attention. Granted its women's attention I am after, but I am sensible enough to understand that for every woman who finds me attractive there are going to be 100 or more men that do. Of course it is scary sometimes, some people just are scary, but that has nothing to do with "appropriateness", it has to do with creepiness. quote: and calling them bumps is making it a sex joke No it doesn't, at least not unless you have your mind in the gutter to begin with. Among the people the message was aimed at, "bumps" is considered a polite way of referring to tits, its in a song on MuchMusic, it can't be a rude term. quote: That just makes this the perfect opportunity to teach them about the appropriate levels of behavior in different venues It was an opportunity to teach alright, an opportunity to teach the older members of society that the line between what is and isn't appropriate has moved, it isn't where it was when you were in high school. Unfortunately, none of you guys caught that. Oh well, we can only hope that a few will catch on the next time good sense and rationality butt heads with prudery. quote: That’s my opinion on the matter and I’m sticking with it. So basically you are in the closet about your sexuality, you are at heart a prude. Fair enough, we'll make sure not to offend you with any nude pictures in the future.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 12:13:42 PM)
quote: I usually laugh and flash my rainbow pin and tell them "Sorry, wrong plumbing, you can't touch this." If they are particularly witty about it, I'll flash them my tits or panties. I'm a slut and I dress like a slut, I have to expect the comments, my outfits say "fuckbunny" loud and clear. Hell's bells, the whole point of dressing the way I do is to attract attention. Granted its women's attention I am after, but I am sensible enough to understand that for every woman who finds me attractive there are going to be 100 or more men that do. Of course it is scary sometimes, some people just are scary, but that has nothing to do with "appropriateness", it has to do with creepiness. How unusual for someone that dresses/acts like an attention whore supports an attention whore shirt.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 12:16:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather Fair enough, we'll make sure not to offend you with any nude pictures in the future You have permission to offend me any time you want.

Marc2b -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 12:17:09 PM)
quote: Yet you agreed with a statement calling for just such talk to not happen here on CM. You want us all to behave with decorum, unless there's a chance at seeing some of those teenaged tits you're so very upset about a t-shirt referring to. There is a difference between not wanting to see political discussions devolve into “fuck you” shit flinging contests and ribald humor. quote: I usually laugh and flash my rainbow pin and tell them "Sorry, wrong plumbing, you can't touch this." If they are particularly witty about it, I'll flash them my tits or panties. I'm a slut and I dress like a slut, I have to expect the comments, my outfits say "fuckbunny" loud and clear. Hell's bells, the whole point of dressing the way I do is to attract attention. Granted its women's attention I am after, but I am sensible enough to understand that for every woman who finds me attractive there are going to be 100 or more men that do. Of course it is scary sometimes, some people just are scary, but that has nothing to do with "appropriateness", it has to do with creepiness. Okay, you’re a slut. But not every women is a slut and until you get to know a person you can’t really be sure. So basic respect demands that you don’t treat them like a slut… at least until you know better. quote: No it doesn't, at least not unless you have your mind in the gutter to begin with. Among the people the message was aimed at, "bumps" is considered a polite way of referring to tits, its in a song on MuchMusic, it can't be a rude term. I disagree. It has nothing to do with having your mind in the gutter. It has to do with that basic level of respect I was talking about. quote: It was an opportunity to teach alright, an opportunity to teach the older members of society that the line between what is and isn't appropriate has moved, it isn't where it was when you were in high school. Unfortunately, none of you guys caught that. Oh well, we can only hope that a few will catch on the next time good sense and rationality butt heads with prudery. So says you and every younger generation since time immemorial (or at least, since the 1950’s). Nothing new there. I know this will probably piss you off but you’ll understand when you are older. At least, I hope you will. Time will tell. Tick tock, tick tock, nothing ever stops the clock. quote: So basically you are in the closet about your sexuality, you are at heart a prude. Fair enough, we'll make sure not to offend you with any nude pictures in the future. [sm=rofl.gif] I don’t think anyone who knows me would ever call me a prude. I do tend to keep at least some of my private life private nor I do I go around proclaiming my sexual proclivities as a means of validating myself because I am comfortable enough in my own skin that I don’t need to. But then you probably have a different definition of prude than I do. That’s what it all comes down to, definitions. We’re going around in circles here and I’m starting to get dizzy, and I hate getting into “last word” battles [sm=slappy.gif] (they’re so damned immature) so if you want the last word go right ahead. I’ve said my piece. Be well, Marc.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 1:06:25 PM)
quote: There is a difference between not wanting to see political discussions devolve into “fuck you” shit flinging contests and ribald humor. When its convenient for you. quote: So basic respect demands that you don’t treat them like a slut… at least until you know better. Which has nothing to do with the slogan on the t-shirt. quote: I disagree. It has nothing to do with having your mind in the gutter. It has to do with that basic level of respect I was talking about. Or a basic lack of comprehension on your part, see my previous answer. quote: So says you and every younger generation since time immemorial And every one of them was right, maybe when you get older you'll realize just how different your sense of appropriateness was from your grandparents' sense of appropriateness, and then it might just dawn on you that your views are out of date. quote: I don’t think anyone who knows me would ever call me a prude If they saw the you that you are demonstrating on this thread they certainly would. quote: if you want the last word go right ahead. Thank you, I will. Word!

TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 1:56:48 PM)
quote: It was an opportunity to teach alright, an opportunity to teach the older members of society that the line between what is and isn't appropriate has moved, it isn't where it was when you were in high school. Unfortunately, none of you guys caught that. Oh well, we can only hope that a few will catch on the next time good sense and rationality butt heads with prudery. Meantime Chatte made two posts agreeing with what you've been saying. I would have thought you would at least acknowledge them but I guess it isn't as much fun as arguing your points yet again.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 2:20:05 PM)
It's my opinion that most who don't live in Bible Belt USA have no idea how sexually prudish it can be. The high school says no to what to me is a cute t shirt while the local Walmart will be full of girl's swimsuits in sizes quite obviously for pre-teen girls that are skimpy, sexy, and intended to sexualize the wearer. I know, my daughter is a swimmer remember? She didn't like to wear that crap and it was hard to find her a suit she liked that was modest enough for her. This was, by the age of 10 perhaps? By high school age, let's face it, girls will be sexualized by males. This is life as we know it. You teach your girls to stand up for themselves and deal with it. How the individual family handles that is up to them. What may be appropriate for my daughter, in my family, and in the community she was raised in might be quite different for others. So I've been (somewhat) surprised at some of the comments.

TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 2:39:59 PM)
Ummm Chatte, I agree with you... [sm=couch.gif]

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 2:45:43 PM)
I agree with you, too, Chatte. I started out my comments on this thread by saying that the t shirt is pretty mild in comparison with the clothes that kids wear to school every day.

TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 2:46:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet I agree with you, too, Chatte. I started out my comments on this thread by saying that the t shirt is pretty mild in comparison with the clothes that kids wear to school every day. As did I. Seriously the school goofed. The could have taught an important lesson but they chose not to. Pity.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 2:49:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: I said you are lying about your opinion just to keep this argument going, that would be just as silly as what you are doing. No it isn't. Its completely unrelated. Have a shot of Geritol and do try harder. quote: Oh please may I join the biddy brigade? Oh don't worry, you are the founding member and guiding light. Christina just happens to be agreeing with your little gang on this issue. Hot damn I wanna have a secret biddy handshake.......

xxblushesxx -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 3:03:05 PM)
Maybe we could just clink fancy tea cups (or walkers!) together. [:D]

windchymes -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 3:05:45 PM)
I'm in! [:)]

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 3:13:33 PM)
As long as it is Long Island tea, we can clink mason jars if ya wanna!

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 3:22:51 PM)
quote: I would have thought you would at least acknowledge them I may have misjudged ChatteP, but I'm pretty certain she didn't make her posts in order to gain my approval. I feel safe saying she really couldn't care less if I agree with her or not. Why do you expect me to give a cyber high five to and a virtual backslap somebody for saying something I agree with any time they say it? She doesn't need or want my validation, there was no need to reinforce what she said, she said it well and it needed nothing further from me.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/18/2011 3:26:37 PM)
quote: Hot damn I wanna have a secret biddy handshake....... No, sorry Brigadier Bluebird, no secret handshakes, just a crotchety dismissive wave of the hand, picture the Queen PMSing, that's the image to emulate.

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