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windchymes -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 12:58:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheFireWithinMe Windchymes the t-shirts say feel for lumps, check your bumps. Anyone with half a brain is going to know it's referring to breast self exams. There is also the irony that boo is being said for the outfits girls wear that cover less than half their body but there is an objection to t-shirts that remind women to self exam their breasts. How many adolescent boys do you know who would have even a quarter of a brain when they're around a bunch of girls wearing t-shirts that allude to them feeling their own breasts? Adolescent boys are not admiring them for their humanitarian efforts, they're trying to hide the raging hard-ons they have from the visions of girls playing with their boobs, they're not picturing girls in clinical settings. I'm just being realistic. I raised two boys, I know how they think, lol. just because they KNOW it's about self-exams doesn't mean their minds aren't going to go cavorting down some other road that's much more fun.

kalikshama -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 12:58:55 PM)
quote: The thing that is being missed here is that they don't want to wear the t-shirts in school or out in public. They want to wear them as cheerleaders during a game while collecting money for breast cancer research. There is no chance of anything being misunderstood here, it's a very specific set of circumstances. I was leaning towards siding with the school as age-inappropriate, but I'm ok under these very specific circumstances.

TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 1:05:54 PM)
FFS windchymes did you miss (again) the fact that it would be AT...A...GAME? Or are you deliberately ignoring that? It really doesn't make a difference, they wouldn't be walking around wearing the t-shirts.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 1:17:42 PM)
I raised two boys too. On the other hand, these are cheerleaders. I don't know if you have been to a football game lately, but cheerleading outfits are far, far from modest. Short skirts, skimpy tops. The boys may have raging hard ons but it isn't because of some slogan on a relatively modest t shirt. quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes quote: ORIGINAL: TheFireWithinMe Windchymes the t-shirts say feel for lumps, check your bumps. Anyone with half a brain is going to know it's referring to breast self exams. There is also the irony that boo is being said for the outfits girls wear that cover less than half their body but there is an objection to t-shirts that remind women to self exam their breasts. How many adolescent boys do you know who would have even a quarter of a brain when they're around a bunch of girls wearing t-shirts that allude to them feeling their own breasts? Adolescent boys are not admiring them for their humanitarian efforts, they're trying to hide the raging hard-ons they have from the visions of girls playing with their boobs, they're not picturing girls in clinical settings. I'm just being realistic. I raised two boys, I know how they think, lol. just because they KNOW it's about self-exams doesn't mean their minds aren't going to go cavorting down some other road that's much more fun.

PeonForHer -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 1:18:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheFireWithinMe The thing that is being missed here is that they don't want to wear the t-shirts in school or out in public. They want to wear them as cheerleaders during a game while collecting money for breast cancer research. There is no chance of anything being misunderstood here, it's a very specific set of circumstances. The slogan "“Feel for lumps, save your bumps” did make me chortle, but I was a little wary after reading some of the comments here. In the end, though, if they're only wearing them during a game . . . . Well, I'm 75% swung, anyway. With caution. Bit of an aside: My friend was on the phone today, telling me that her daughter of eleven has a 34 cup bra and is on the pill to regulate her periods, because these are being blamed for a sudden onset of violent mood-swings. She doesn't even sound like a girl anymore. A year ago her voice was a squeak; now, her voice on the phone is easily mistaken for her mother's. It was pretty shocking news. Is this common? Well, anyway, I guess the teens at school these days know all about boobs even if they don't have them yet. Likewise the boys. Pfft. Glad, as ever, that I don't have any kids of my own.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 1:19:24 PM)
I think the cheerleaders have their hearts in the right place, but I have to go with the ones who say not age appropriate. The hormone raging boys will not forget the shirts after the game, and it just opens up too much opportunity for them to go checking for lumps as a joke, no matter what shirt the cheerleaders are wearing days or weeks later. I do not see why pink shirts, with the ribbon on them, could not suffice in a school setting.

windchymes -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 1:45:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheFireWithinMe FFS windchymes did you miss (again) the fact that it would be AT...A...GAME? Or are you deliberately ignoring that? It really doesn't make a difference, they wouldn't be walking around wearing the t-shirts. Oh, FFS how could I be so stupid. Nothing inappropriate ever happens AT....A....GAME, since the supervision is so tight and everyone behaves themselves so well. Why, they even have baptism during pre-game pray before every kickoff while the pep band plays "Amazing Grace". Those t-shirts will be kept under lock & key until JUST before the game and will be collected and locked up right after THE......GAME. God knows, security at high school football games is on a par with the Secret Service. Cheerleaders are the best-behaved girls in the whole school, they don't smoke or drink and would never dream of sneaking away to make out with their boyfriends. No one ever sneaks out to have a beer or smoke a joint on somebody's tailgate during half-time or hides a flask of something stronger in their coat pockets. It's a regular Saturday night revival. [8\|] No, what I missed again and again.....and again....was life in a perfect world. How nice for those of you who live in one.

windchymes -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 1:55:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet I raised two boys too. On the other hand, these are cheerleaders. I don't know if you have been to a football game lately, but cheerleading outfits are far, far from modest. Short skirts, skimpy tops. The boys may have raging hard ons but it isn't because of some slogan on a relatively modest t shirt. Can't disagree with ya there. Teenage boys don't really need a reason to have a raging hard-on, I think they just happen spontaneously every 20 min. or so, lol.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 2:10:20 PM)
The strange thing is, school dress codes being what they are, the girls probably could wear those shirts to school, and no one would say anything. I don't know this for a fact, about the dress code, but I know I have seen worse things at my kids' high schools. Hell, even their junior highs. My high school had a dress code, but I think schools now are pretty lax. Schools are afraid to fuck with student's freedom of speech these days. The only reason this became an issue is because these girls are at a school game, supposedly representing the school. I gotta say, most of you have a lesser opinion of teen age boys than I do. Do you honestly believe they are going to grope some cheerleader in the hall because of a slogan on a t shirt that they saw at a game 3 days before? Most of the schools that I know of have become pretty harsh about teaching kids that sexual harassment is not OK, all the way from grade school. Also, why would a slogan on a shirt be more likely to incite some adolescent than the skimpy clothes that girls already wear to school? Kids dress provocatively all the time, but there is not necessarily a lot of overt groping. Would words really be more of a turn on then seeing the actual flesh?

SecretFamily -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 2:13:21 PM)
Sure, these shirts are inappropriate for the students to wear if everyone agrees that the presentation is more important than the message. Message Breast cancer is bad. Check yourself early and often. Donate to a research that will fight this disease. Presentation Underaged women are talking about breasts. The message – that cancer is worth fighting, as an individual and as a society – is clearly more relevant. Would you choose to set an example that prioritizes "appropriate" speech patterns over caring about the lives of others? Let's even look at it from an oppositional stance. Those who value the message over the presentation are fine with high school-aged girls thinking and talking about their bodies, to each other and to the general public. Those who value presentation over message are fine with those same girls keeping quiet about something about which they care; moreover, they're fine with those girls having the opportunity to raise money and awareness about cancer and choosing to neglect that opportunity. I'd rather be in the former camp.

xxblushesxx -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 2:24:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet The strange thing is, school dress codes being what they are, the girls probably could wear those shirts to school, and no one would say anything. I don't know this for a fact, about the dress code, but I know I have seen worse things at my kids' high schools. Hell, even their junior highs. My high school had a dress code, but I think schools now are pretty lax. Schools are afraid to fuck with student's freedom of speech these days. The only reason this became an issue is because these girls are at a school game, supposedly representing the school. I gotta say, most of you have a lesser opinion of teen age boys than I do. Do you honestly believe they are going to grope some cheerleader in the hall because of a slogan on a t shirt that they saw at a game 3 days before? Most of the schools that I know of have become pretty harsh about teaching kids that sexual harassment is not OK, all the way from grade school. Also, why would a slogan on a shirt be more likely to incite some adolescent than the skimpy clothes that girls already wear to school? Kids dress provocatively all the time, but there is not necessarily a lot of overt groping. Would words really be more of a turn on then seeing the actual flesh? We have uniforms here. And the schools that don't have uniforms have pretty strict dress codes. I just would not like my 14 or 15 (or 16) year old daughter wearing that. She does have t-shirts that say stuff like "cheerleaders are real athletes" and she wears them even when not at practice or a game, so I doubt these would only be worn one time.

xxblushesxx -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 2:25:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SecretFamily Sure, these shirts are inappropriate for the students to wear if everyone agrees that the presentation is more important than the message. Message Breast cancer is bad. Check yourself early and often. Donate to a research that will fight this disease. Presentation Underaged women are talking about breasts. The message – that cancer is worth fighting, as an individual and as a society – is clearly more relevant. Would you choose to set an example that prioritizes "appropriate" speech patterns over caring about the lives of others? Let's even look at it from an oppositional stance. Those who value the message over the presentation are fine with high school-aged girls thinking and talking about their bodies, to each other and to the general public. Those who value presentation over message are fine with those same girls keeping quiet about something about which they care; moreover, they're fine with those girls having the opportunity to raise money and awareness about cancer and choosing to neglect that opportunity. I'd rather be in the former camp. I'm fine with them wearing something appropriate to support their cause. (this is, as always, my opinion only)

windchymes -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 2:39:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet The strange thing is, school dress codes being what they are, the girls probably could wear those shirts to school, and no one would say anything. I don't know this for a fact, about the dress code, but I know I have seen worse things at my kids' high schools. Hell, even their junior highs. My high school had a dress code, but I think schools now are pretty lax. Schools are afraid to fuck with student's freedom of speech these days. The only reason this became an issue is because these girls are at a school game, supposedly representing the school. I gotta say, most of you have a lesser opinion of teen age boys than I do. Do you honestly believe they are going to grope some cheerleader in the hall because of a slogan on a t shirt that they saw at a game 3 days before? Most of the schools that I know of have become pretty harsh about teaching kids that sexual harassment is not OK, all the way from grade school. Also, why would a slogan on a shirt be more likely to incite some adolescent than the skimpy clothes that girls already wear to school? Kids dress provocatively all the time, but there is not necessarily a lot of overt groping. Would words really be more of a turn on then seeing the actual flesh? No, I'm not suggesting that there will be gang-rapes in the hallways and grope-fests in the locker rooms. Chances are, the shirts are cute, everyone would have a good time, and have done a good thing for breast cancer awareness. But, I'm looking at the whole situation as an administrator....what would I do if I was responsible for the whole thing, and my ass was on the line if something went wrong, It only takes one inappropriate touch or even lewd comment, the girl goes home and tells her parents. You know there are people out there looking for shit to stir up, and here's a chance to sue the school, etc. etc. etc. Now I'm suspended while the school board and the local police investigate the whole thing, blah blah blah. Based on previous experiences in my own life and careers, if I was the school administrator in charge, I'm afraid I'd be doing the same thing, just to nip the situation in the bud before one occurs. I might not like having to do it, but if my job is on the line, I'm going to. I'm wondering why the cheerleader advisor who helped them organize the event didn't run the slogan by administration before they ordered the shirts. I mean, come on....teenage girls wearing shirts that have the phrase "Feel for lumps" written right across their breasts. They couldn't have been that clueless, it had to be in the back of someone's mind that it would cause some giggles and raise some eyebrows....so oops, we didn't ask first.

windchymes -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 2:44:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SecretFamily Sure, these shirts are inappropriate for the students to wear if everyone agrees that the presentation is more important than the message. Message Breast cancer is bad. Check yourself early and often. Donate to a research that will fight this disease. Presentation Underaged women are talking about breasts. The message – that cancer is worth fighting, as an individual and as a society – is clearly more relevant. Would you choose to set an example that prioritizes "appropriate" speech patterns over caring about the lives of others? Let's even look at it from an oppositional stance. Those who value the message over the presentation are fine with high school-aged girls thinking and talking about their bodies, to each other and to the general public. Those who value presentation over message are fine with those same girls keeping quiet about something about which they care; moreover, they're fine with those girls having the opportunity to raise money and awareness about cancer and choosing to neglect that opportunity. I'd rather be in the former camp. I'm in the camp where girls have the opportunity to raise money and awareness about cancer while not wearing shirts with age-inappropriate sayings on them. Is that one of the options? edited to rephrase.....while wearing shirts that do not have age-inappropriate sayings on them. Actually, pink socks would be cute.

barelynangel -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 2:59:32 PM)
The thing is we are dealing with high school girls who could have done this with most any type of breast cancer shirt and STILL raise money for the cause. The fact they chose these shirts to me says a lot to me that they aren't mature enough to wear these shirts. THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN DIFFERENT SLOGANS AND STILL COLLECTED MONEY ETC. It's really that simple. Whether they are at a game or wearing them around the school, this slogan is not approprate for teenaged girls. I sure the heck wouldn't buy or allow my child to buy such a slogan but would get her a more fun, slogan that doesn't suggest feelin' for lumps on breasts. I don't care if it is for breast cancer or not. There are fun type slogans for breast cancer out there that these girls could wear and still collect money for research. To say they needed to wear this shirt makes me wonder why THIS shirt is so important for them to wear. People at the game would have given money if the girls had simply worn their cheerleading outfits with a pink ribbon and said what they were collecting for, so the fact that they are wearing them at a game to colect money for research is moot. I think the administration made the right decision. angel

lizi -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 3:11:13 PM)
In my mind it's an entirely appropriate cause with these particular shirts being an inappropriate way for underage girls to express support for it. There are other things that would work in this instance as far as slogans go that would be more appropriate. Why does it have to ride the line of being lascivious? Why do you have to push the envelope on this when something else would work just fine?

PeonForHer -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 3:15:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel The thing is we are dealing with high school girls who could have done this with most any type of breast cancer shirt and STILL raise money for the cause. The fact they chose these shirts to me says a lot to me that they aren't mature enough to wear these shirts. Perhaps that slogan "Feel for lumps, save your bumps" is designed to have the effect of taking some of the heaviness and fear out of the issue? Make checking for those lumps a light-hearted thing to do? That could be helpful, if so.

windchymes -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 3:17:43 PM)
How about "Give a damn, self-exam!" lol

barelynangel -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 3:20:17 PM)
Peon, So could other slogans... so why this slogan? why MUST this slogan be used? I am not sure about you, but if i saw a teenaged girl wearing such a slogan, i wouldn't feel lifted and light hearted, i would feel that it was inappropriate and a wrong way for this disease to be represented, i would wonder how her parents and yes the school would allow such a slogan be used when there are many others it could have chosen from. But that's just me. There are plenty of slogans out there -- there is no need for teenaged girls to wear a slogan that is designed to be a private joke so to speak. angel

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders (10/15/2011 3:58:55 PM)
quote: just because they KNOW it's about self-exams doesn't mean their minds aren't going to go cavorting down some other road that's much more fun. They're going to be thinking that anyway, they think that when you wear a parka, so that's a non-starter as an argument as far as I'm concerned. I'd wear the t-shirt all day if I had the option. As much as you want to blame the boys, the girls are just as sexualized, and "Feel for lumps, save your bumps" really is very tame compared to some of the slogans I've seen on t-shirts around school. The girls are 16 & 17 for god's sake, and it is entirely age appropriate. They have boobs and they can get cancer too, this is another case of adults being totally out of touch with their children. I would be very surprised if any of those girls hadn't sent topless pictures of themselves to a few guys or been topless on cam with a few. I would also be a little surprised if any of them was still a virgin. Those are just the facts of life in high school today <I suspect that it has been for quite some time actually>. Of course it may be different in Arizona, but I doubt it. To be honest, I think it's just wishful thinking on the adults' part.

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