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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 3:38:50 PM

Masta808

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So Reciting the Constitution is stirring shit up? Why do you hate the US Constitution?

TSA should have let the women recite the Constitution out of respect for the constitution whether or not she choose give up the rights given to her by the 4th amendment is another story. It is an easy choice either give up that right or dont ride the plane. Simple. If dont want to TSA to search you then to DONT BUY an Airplane ticket, otherwise you must have something to hide and probably a terrorist. It doesnt matter if you have to fly because of your job, for vacation, or because its the only way to get to your destination. Too bad so sad. Thats the price of Freedom.

If she had recited it in a calm manner then I wouldn't care. She was shouting it, causing trouble and continued to cause trouble. If I were a TSA agent or even some random schmuck I'd be wondering what she was on to start yelling the 4th Amendment out of nowhere and would not be very comfortable knowing she was in the same building as me, let alone possibly the same plane

Once again why do you hate the US constitution? It doesnt matter if someone is shouting it, singing it, or stuttering. Respect the US constitution.

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A person doesn't need explosives or weapons to wreak havoc on a plane, just the dedication to cause trouble

Exactly thats why I say we need to take it logical end. Everyone who flies on a plane MUST be drugged and put to sleep PILOTS include you dont know if they are NOT sleeper agents.

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By the way, I'll thank you to not make assumptions about me or my stance towards the Constitution.

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your the one that showing hatred towards the constitution. Maybe you stop hating it or leave America.

Christ... I keep trying to type probably instead of probable

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 4:07:44 PM

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the TSA agents on duty in that situation who were responsible for the escalating disturbance.

absolutely. they should have just patted the fucking bitch down and let her recite whatever the fuck she wanted to. the reason they got pissed is because they fucking well knew she was right.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 4:11:14 PM

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Unreasonable search means an authority figure cannot just walk up and start searching you or patting you down without a warrant or permission.
they didn't have a fucking warrant or permission now did they buckwheat?

They don't need a warrant or permission under the laws of United States. She also is obligated BY LAW to provide identification to police officers when asked.

Now the "Guy with Tie" who she alleges had no id badge identifying him as Security Personnel, that's a problem. He was obligated by law and by his employer when he approached her to say something to the effect of, "Ma'am (or Miss if you prefer), I'm 'so and so' with Airport Security (or whoever gave him the authority), what seems to be the problem?" Or something to that effect. He botched his job, for sure.

However, when a person chooses to fly, or even to drive, there are certain "rights" they give up. When driving, a police officer in MOST states can run your tags BEFORE pulling you over. It is NOT an illegal search. When they pull you over, you MUST provide the documentation (license, registration, proof of insurance) that is requested. As the driver, you have the RIGHT to ask why you were pulled over.

When flying, as someone else mentioned, when you put your things on the conveyor belt, that you KNOW is going to x-ray them, AND approach the metal detectors, you ARE giving implied consent.

The fact that the police did not mirandize her and cuffed her BEFORE telling her a charge could be held up as unlawful arrest, but that would be something she would have to discuss with the prosecutor when she appeared for Court, or as a defense at trial. Based on the way she wrote, I doubt she has the sense to do that. When making any kind of protest, the concept of "what exactly are my legal rights?" is a bad way to start. Know what laws apply BEFORE taking a stand. She didn't, and she fucked up just as much as the Guy in the Tie and the police.

Ignorance of the law is NOT a defense. Ignorance of your rights when trying to say others are violating same is stupidity.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 4:50:45 PM

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They don't need a warrant or permission under the laws of United States.

so the 4th amendment is meaningless then, just some pretty fucking words?

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 5:01:35 PM

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I have to admit, if I was standing behind this woman in line, and I was on a tight schedule, I would have been pissed as hell.

Having said that, it sounds like the brown shirts at the airport over reacted. Sometimes that happens when people have jobs where everybody resents you, that are kind of boring, and that rely on things running smoothly. I don't think they were within their authority to treat her as roughly as she describes based on what she did. Whether it is a constitutional issue or not, they made the situation a lot worse by over reacting. They should have just patted her down and it would have been a non event.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 5:06:34 PM

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Having said that, it sounds like the brown shirts at the airport over reacted.

the fuckers tend to do that.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 5:09:00 PM

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 6:36:35 PM

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What I find interesting...is several people in this tread "claim" she knew what she was doing so she deserves what she gets..

OK fair enough...but lets apply those same rules to people who knew what they where doing and keep their mouths shut..

Hmmm.... Wells Fargo...Bank owns America (bank of America) Citibank..

Do you believe they did not know they where making bad investments, and using depositors savings to feed their greed and breaking the law???just look at leman Br. I fail to believe they are the only ones who knew

.... So why is she convicted and the others BAILED OUT????

Knowingly breaking the law is knowingly breaking the law, the amount of money you make should not make a difference...but it sure does in this country

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 8:30:17 PM

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They don't need a warrant or permission under the laws of United States.
so the 4th amendment is meaningless then, just some pretty fucking words?

Not at all. All they need is "reasonable suspicion." Yes, it is very vague, and yes it can get abused. However, that is what it is.

As I said, there were serious errors on all sides of this little drama. She was stupid for not even knowing what her rights were before starting her little escapade. The airport people were horribly unprofessional, lacking identification and failing to identify themselves. The cops made a HUGE mistake arresting her without Mirandizing her and telling her the charge.

All that, however, is over and done. She wants to make a big deal of it now, she has to do it in Court. Based on her little blog post, it doesn't seem like she has it all together enough to do that.

She thinks she should have gotten the camera crew involved? Why just make a little blog post if she is so outraged? Why not contact the media now? Why not go public about your Court appearances? If she has half a brain and really wants to make this "my 4th Amendment rights are being violated" issue, then go all the way.

If she isn't willing to go the distance, then why enter the race? Better yet, if she isn't prepared to see this thing through, why even write the blog post?

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 8:35:57 PM

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you know I'm going to be flying in Jan or Feb and if someone does that while I'm in line I have a feeling I'm gonna be the one in the back of the line calling her a bitch and if she doesn't move her ass I'm coming to the front of the line and moving her ass for her.

Sorry but I've had to deal with people like that in lines before and they always piss me off. It's bad enough when you're tired from a long day and you just wanna get through and get to where you're going but to add that to it.....it's just ridiculous.

You wanna change the law? Contact your lobbyist. Ain't nothin gonna change because you wanna make a big stink and cause havoc to everyone else just trying to get to their destination.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 8:38:39 PM

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Also, you can keep the insults to yourself. A difference of opinion does not make one person "slower" than the other

She generally does... when people don't come across smarmy

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 9:06:35 PM

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I have to admit, if I was standing behind this woman in line, and I was on a tight schedule, I would have been pissed as hell.

Ha! I can top that... On A trip for IBM in summer of 2004 to San Francisco. It was a monday and I had plans of going to the job site when I landed and wrapping shit up and taking in a show @ the Fillmore and another at Shoreline the next night.
However, I dressed real casual cargo shorts and a Govt Mule T and walked into Logan Airport at 6:30 am . And it was then I realized after checking in I was in line with what looked like every single jackass who had been at Phish's "last" concert over the weekend in VT. I got to the first checkpoint and was told to go stand in the line on the right. Which you could tell was the ball buster line. I pleaded with the TSA guy saying "listen, I'm not going to be any trouble, I fly twice a month for IBM and I have no connection to this crowd". He smiled and said "then they'll at least enjoy processing you".
   So I know not to plead with these dopes... that's a guaranteed missed flight. So now I am in a line that stinks of freshly smoked skunk weed and the tall half Asian kid in front of me looks paranoid. After watching like 4 people busted over the course of say 25. I start to think missing my flight is a foregone conclusion. The Asian kid says "i have a pipe in my bag what should I do" ... I say. "Fish it out and next time we start moving kick it across the carpet off to the side where those ropes and poles are all stored (they had the stuff to make another four or five security lines if they had to). He says "I can't it'll make a lot of noise". I ask what its made of and he tells me glass, so I say, it may not even look like anything more than a bottle ... just look straight ahead smile and hope they just let the bag roll through without opening it.
   We get to the belt and he puts huis shit on and I am watching the screen on our side as the biggest glass bong I have ever seen starts tracking across the screen ... it was the entire length of the duffel bag. The woman immediately backs up the belt and says "what is in that bag, please open it" and at the same time she is hand signaling to like three other guys. This whole huge bust ensued and the kid turned out to have a confederate behind me that had the weed apparently and he tried to leave the line at a gallop. it took the full 10 minutes remaining for boarding my flight to convince the TSA people I wasn't connected to them as we were all three on the same flight.
   I ended up missing my flight, and got on the next one which amounted to a 3 hour delay and I almost didn't make the show at the fillmore.
   I would have traded 3 of her for that asshole with the bong. The kid must not have flown out to the show. But I was obviously pissed.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 9:15:58 PM

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you know I'm going to be flying in Jan or Feb and if someone does that while I'm in line I have a feeling I'm gonna be the one in the back of the line calling her a bitch and if she doesn't move her ass I'm coming to the front of the line and moving her ass for her.

Sorry but I've had to deal with people like that in lines before and they always piss me off. It's bad enough when you're tired from a long day and you just wanna get through and get to where you're going but to add that to it.....it's just ridiculous.

You wanna change the law? Contact your lobbyist. Ain't nothin gonna change because you wanna make a big stink and cause havoc to everyone else just trying to get to their destination.

I'm with you on that one. I'm hoping to go to Europe in the Spring and I do NOT need someone messing up my connecting flights. I would probably be the first one screaming "Arrest the bitch already! I've got places to go and schedules to meet!" Then I would get her name and sue her sorry ass if I missed my flight because of her.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 9:31:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynn
they didn't have a fucking warrant or permission now did they buckwheat?

Choosing to walk through the checkpoint implies permission is granted

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Once again why do you hate the US constitution?

As this is your first statement in reply to me I'm not even going to bother reading the rest

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She generally does... when people don't come across smarmy

If someone is going to insult me because my views do not match theirs I have no reason to be nice

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 9:40:27 PM

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reasonable suspicion

oddly enough those words don't appear anywhere in the 4th. face it the bill of rights is a fucking joke, it may as well be written on charmin for all the good it does.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 9:45:40 PM

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Choosing to walk through the checkpoint implies permission is granted

fuck that, says who stumpy? there's nothing about implied permission in the fucking constitution now is there?

e2a: besides she did give them permission to search her manually, but the fucks refused that and determined to shut her the fuck up. it had fuck all to do with security and everything to do with not embarrassing them.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 10:13:17 PM

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http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/683300/bizarre%3A_woman_roughed_up%2C_arrested_for_reciting_the_constitution_during_tsa_inspection/#paragraph6

<shrugs> too little, too late...

Americans have long lost their rights, cuz they allowed their govt to slowly take them away.. That was well before 9/11 but with 9/11, the govt became extremely bold and used that event to its advantage to take away even more freedoms and rights,.. now if you dont toe the line like good lil sheep, you get the Patriot Act slammed down on you..

While some people might say she brought this trouble on herself... maybe one could say all Americans did when they didnt do something to stop their rights taken away well before it got to this point..

Now.. what does my sig line say again???

oh well.. <shrugs>

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 10:16:26 PM

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They don't need a warrant or permission under the laws of United States.
so the 4th amendment is meaningless then, just some pretty fucking words?

Not at all. All they need is "reasonable suspicion." Yes, it is very vague, and yes it can get abused. However, that is what it is.

Yes. Exactly. If you choose to Fly is "Reasonable suspicion"(ious) that you maybe a terrorist. Like if you choose to drive its "Reasonable suspicious" that you maybe a carjacker.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 10:18:35 PM

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I don't have a problem with my "rights" being taken away if it makes it safer for me to fly. You wanna scan me, go through my luggage, pat me down? I'll be more than glad to oblige. I have absolutely nothing to hide.

When I go to a courthouse I have to be scanned, when I get on the bus there are cameras watching my every move, when I walk into my house there are police cars that roam my neighborhood watching every person that passes them by.....why should my flying be any different? It keeps me safe. I kinda like knowing I'm safe.

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RE: This woman kind of brought her troubles upon herself - 10/21/2011 10:22:29 PM

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Once again why do you hate the US constitution?

As this is your first statement in reply to me I'm not even going to bother reading the rest

Since you are not addressing the issue you really do hate America. The same way Obama refuse to address the issue that he is a Secret Muslims Kenyan Born Anti-American Anti-Business Communist.

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