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Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 8:26:46 AM   
Lucylastic


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A new analysis of the temperature record leaves little room for the doubters. The world is warming

FOR those who question whether global warming is really happening, it is necessary to believe that the instrumental temperature record is wrong. That is a bit easier than you might think.

There are three compilations of mean global temperatures, each one based on readings from thousands of thermometers, kept in weather stations and aboard ships, going back over 150 years. Two are American, provided by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), one is a collaboration between Britain’s Met Office and the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (known as Hadley CRU). And all suggest a similar pattern of warming: amounting to about 0.9°C over land in the past half century.

To most scientists, that is consistent with the manifold other indicators of warming—rising sea-levels, melting glaciers, warmer ocean depths and so forth—and convincing. Yet the consistency among the three compilations masks large uncertainties in the raw data on which they are based. Hence the doubts, husbanded by many eager sceptics, about their accuracy. A new study, however, provides further evidence that the numbers are probably about right.
more info at the economist link above

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 8:35:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have heard people arguing over the causes of global warming but I have never heard anyone claim that there was no change taking place. I would say that the fact that there were glaciers where I now live is proof enough of that.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 8:36:22 AM   
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Hard to deny what you can see with your own eyes.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 10:57:34 AM   
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I have heard people arguing over the causes of global warming but I have never heard anyone claim that there was no change taking place. I would say that the fact that there were glaciers where I now live is proof enough of that.

Actually, boi, I have heard several of the Right fringe claiming just that.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 11:03:52 AM   
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I have heard people arguing over the causes of global warming but I have never heard anyone claim that there was no change taking place. I would say that the fact that there were glaciers where I now live is proof enough of that.

Actually, boi, I have heard several of the Right fringe claiming just that.


And Ive heard several of the left mainstream claim that New York City will be underwater in our lifetimes. Who gives a fuck what the fringe think?

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 11:05:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I have heard people arguing over the causes of global warming but I have never heard anyone claim that there was no change taking place. I would say that the fact that there were glaciers where I now live is proof enough of that.

Actually, boi, I have heard several of the Right fringe claiming just that.


And Ive heard several of the left mainstream claim that New York City will be underwater in our lifetimes. Who gives a fuck what the fringe think?

Seeing as how you are the fringe........................

Well, I agree. Who gives a fuck what you think?

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 11:23:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I have heard people arguing over the causes of global warming but I have never heard anyone claim that there was no change taking place. I would say that the fact that there were glaciers where I now live is proof enough of that.

Actually, boi, I have heard several of the Right fringe claiming just that.


And Ive heard several of the left mainstream claim that New York City will be underwater in our lifetimes. Who gives a fuck what the fringe think?

Seeing as how you are the fringe........................

Well, I agree. Who gives a fuck what you think?


Keep your delusions, you obviously need them. My views are for the most part the views of the majority of the US.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 11:25:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Once again, who exactly is denying the climate is changing? The debate is whether or not Man is causing the change.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 11:26:09 AM   
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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 11:50:00 AM   
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Once again, who exactly is denying the climate is changing? The debate is whether or not Man is causing the change.

•Hannity: "The Debate's Over. There's No Global Warming." In October 2009, Sean Hannity said on his Fox News program that former Vice President Al Gore "doesn't think there's room for debate on climate change. I do. The debate's over. There's no global warming." [Fox News, Hannity, 10/12/09]
•Hannity: "Global Warming ... Doesn't Exist." In November 2010, Hannity similarly stated: "Today is the one-year anniversary of 'Climate-gate,' when we discovered that they artificially altered the science to hype global warming, which I say, and others, doesn't exist." [Fox News, Hannity, 11/19/10]
•Hannity: "This Is One Of The Coldest Years On Record. ... I Don't Believe Climate Change Is Real." Hannity stated on his Fox News program, "Here's what I don't understand. This is one of the coldest years on record, ladies and gentlemen. There is no -- I don't believe climate change is real. I think this is global warming hysteria and alarmism." [Fox News, Hannity, 11/10/09]
•Hannity: "We Have The Coldest Year On Record. It's 40 Degrees In Miami, For Crying Out Loud." Hannity stated: "We have an Energy secretary that wants to paint every roof in America and every black pavement white. And I'm thinking, how -- we have the coldest year on record. It's 40 degrees in Miami, for crying out loud. China and Russia are freezing. The rest of the country is freezing. There's snow everywhere. The coldest year on record and -- what? Why? Why are they involved in our lives in this way?" [Fox News, Hannity, 1/5/10]


Gonna say Hannity is the 'fringe'?

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 12:18:46 PM   
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Why yes they do
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/07/140071973/in-their-own-words-gop-candidates-and-science

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 12:20:26 PM   
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Once again, who exactly is denying the climate is changing? The debate is whether or not Man is causing the change.

•Hannity: "The Debate's Over. There's No Global Warming." In October 2009, Sean Hannity said on his Fox News program that former Vice President Al Gore "doesn't think there's room for debate on climate change. I do. The debate's over. There's no global warming." [Fox News, Hannity, 10/12/09]
•Hannity: "Global Warming ... Doesn't Exist." In November 2010, Hannity similarly stated: "Today is the one-year anniversary of 'Climate-gate,' when we discovered that they artificially altered the science to hype global warming, which I say, and others, doesn't exist." [Fox News, Hannity, 11/19/10]
•Hannity: "This Is One Of The Coldest Years On Record. ... I Don't Believe Climate Change Is Real." Hannity stated on his Fox News program, "Here's what I don't understand. This is one of the coldest years on record, ladies and gentlemen. There is no -- I don't believe climate change is real. I think this is global warming hysteria and alarmism." [Fox News, Hannity, 11/10/09]
•Hannity: "We Have The Coldest Year On Record. It's 40 Degrees In Miami, For Crying Out Loud." Hannity stated: "We have an Energy secretary that wants to paint every roof in America and every black pavement white. And I'm thinking, how -- we have the coldest year on record. It's 40 degrees in Miami, for crying out loud. China and Russia are freezing. The rest of the country is freezing. There's snow everywhere. The coldest year on record and -- what? Why? Why are they involved in our lives in this way?" [Fox News, Hannity, 1/5/10]
Gonna say Hannity is the 'fringe'?


IMO he's talking about man caused climate change, and to paraphrase Tazzy from another thread... "One man's opinion proves that every conservative believes the same as Hannity?"


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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 12:27:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, Rob but if you want me to put up several by Beck, Hannity, Cavuto, Doocy and several others they actually claim that things are NOT getting warmer period and there are claims that things are actually getting cooler.

If you want em, I can put em here or send em on the other side.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 12:56:46 PM   
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[Keep your delusions, you obviously need them. My views are for the most part the views of the majority of the US.
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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 1:11:48 PM   
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I have heard people arguing over the causes of global warming but I have never heard anyone claim that there was no change taking place. I would say that the fact that there were glaciers where I now live is proof enough of that.

Actually, boi, I have heard several of the Right fringe claiming just that.


Well maybe I just hang with smarter people then but the next time one of them tells you that, ask them to look up the history of the Great Lakes.


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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 1:18:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I have heard people arguing over the causes of global warming but I have never heard anyone claim that there was no change taking place. I would say that the fact that there were glaciers where I now live is proof enough of that.

Actually, boi, I have heard several of the Right fringe claiming just that.


Well maybe I just hang with smarter people then but the next time one of them tells you that, ask them to look up the history of the Great Lakes.


You probably do hang with smarter people. LOL.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 1:40:17 PM   
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Pretty sure most of the GOP presidentail candidates deny the climate is changing.

Why yes they do
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/07/140071973/in-their-own-words-gop-candidates-and-science


The Mormons are the only ones who take the scientists seriously.

Scientific Consensus:

A long list of individual scientists and scientific societies, including the National Academy of Sciences, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have released statements in recent years affirming a growing consensus that the globe is warming and human activity is to blame.

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver."
— Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

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I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy.
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The minute that the Republican Party becomes the ... anti-science party, we have a huge problem. We lose a whole lot of people that would otherwise allow us to win the election in 2012.
— ABC News' "This Week," Aug. 21, 2011

Romney:

I don't speak for the scientific community, of course. But I believe the world's getting warmer. I can't prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And No. 2, I believe that humans contribute to that ... so I think it's important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you're seeing.
— Reuters, June 3, 2011


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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 1:43:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		People who belive in phony bearded men in the sky believing in phony science. Makes sense. At least Romney knows not to make economic policy on the basis of either.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 1:54:16 PM   
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People who belive in phony bearded men in the sky believing in phony science. Makes sense. At least Romney knows not to make economic policy on the basis of either.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0911/092311epa-romney.htm

Yeah, hes made some economic decisions there. And even sent some of his dogs up to Obamas EPA.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, with your totally incorrect posts, I only need to see what you post to know the opposite is likely true, and quite easily demonstrated.

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RE: Climate change The heat is on - 10/21/2011 1:57:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I have heard people arguing over the causes of global warming but I have never heard anyone claim that there was no change taking place. I would say that the fact that there were glaciers where I now live is proof enough of that.

Actually, boi, I have heard several of the Right fringe claiming just that.


And Ive heard several of the left mainstream claim that New York City will be underwater in our lifetimes. Who gives a fuck what the fringe think?

Seeing as how you are the fringe........................

Well, I agree. Who gives a fuck what you think?


Keep your delusions, you obviously need them. My views are for the most part the views of the majority of the US.


Who gives a fuck if New York City ends up underwater ?


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