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GreedyTop -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/23/2011 9:35:54 AM)

*mourns the loss of my 27" waist jeans* ok, they were ages past being suitable for public view.. but STILL!!! LOL




OsideGirl -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/23/2011 9:56:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt


I had a 17"-18" waist in my early teens, so it is possible. I was the same height as now (5 feet tall) but weighed around 90 lbs, was very active and athletic, and downright skinny.
My grandmother had an 18" waist. She was 4'11" and weighed 92lbs. She had to shop in the children's department.




MsLadySue -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/23/2011 11:19:20 AM)

FR to the OP

Think what you like about obese people but the sexist sub I've had the pleasure of playing with is 5' 8" and well over 350 lbs. He is sexy because of his attitude about life and acceptance of people. He doesn't make snap judgements preferring to take people at face value until given reason to think differently. He is highly intelligent, a witty conversationalist, speaks his mind and makes me feel special.

If all that matters to you is the outside appearance, then you may be missing out on finding a woman that is a wonderful person and fantastic submissive. Being close minded could mean being alone for a long time.




DevotedYYC -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/23/2011 11:59:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker
He didn't come off to me as a bigot or heavily judgmental.

Not bigoted or heavily judgmental? His OP is quoted below with bolding added by me to certain parts. He implies that BBWs have psychological problems for being kinky, as opposed to apparently mentally healthier thin kinky women. He ASSumes that BBWs don't draw any attention. He ASSumes that BBWs can only fantasize about being submissive because it would never happen in real life. He's ASSuming that a BBW streaker would be told to cover up because of her size.
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ORIGINAL: twistedom
No offense to anyone or those who like those type of women just notice from profile to profile that there seems to be a large percentage of bbws. Very seldom is there a woman considered slender, thin, average or whatever. No I dont think I'm gods gift to women or whatever. Just kinda wonder if there's something psychological there. A lot of women here have those force/rape fantasies. In everyday life in general a woman around 200 pounds isn't going to draw much attention from anyone who would actually force someone. is that part of it? Is it more of a fantasy to submit because its unlikely it would ever happen in real life. Look at streakers in sports across the world. If its fairly attractive woman there's cheers and such. If they were overweight I'm sure many would say oh my cover them up. Again not attacking but just rather curious why this and other sites seem to be widely populated by those types of women



So let's look at what you bolded here.

"Just kinda wonder if there's something psychological there."

You interpreted this as "psychological problem", but he never said that. He was just referring to psychological motivations, which obviously all of us have. No need to get your buttons pushed on this one.

"a woman around 200 pounds isn't going to draw much attention from anyone who would actually force someone."
"Is it more of a fantasy to submit because its unlikely it would ever happen in real life."
"I'm sure many would say oh my cover them up."


If you strip away the lack of tactfulness, all of these are just expressions of the idea that MOST men are not attracted to large bodytypes. Of course SOME are attracted, but most are simply not. It may not have been stated very nicely, but it's not a judgment or bigotry to imply something that is a fact in our society. And remember he never indicated that large women *should* be considered less desirable, simply that they *are* by most men - and it is a pretty big distinction. Consider that nobody would call someone a bigot simply for pointing out that blacks experience discrimination - but if they said that blacks *should* be discriminated against, well hey they would rightfully be called a bigot.

Plus the weight thing cuts both ways.. men with more bodyfat are going to get a lot less attention from MOST women. I've seen it myself. Like a lot of guys my weight has fluctuated over the years. When I was heavier I became mostly invisible to women in public, and when I am fit I get a lot of eye contact. I find it fascinating, and I certainly don't take it personally that this is the way of the world. It's just good motivation to stay fit.

The OP was expressing a naive curiousity about demographics and psychology, and put forth some rather misguided theories about rape. Rather than trying to educate the guy, he was mostly subjected to personal attack. In many cases these attacks were both very bitter and very very personal. So tell me again who was rushing to judgement?




agirl -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/23/2011 1:16:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DevotedYYC


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ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker
He didn't come off to me as a bigot or heavily judgmental.

Not bigoted or heavily judgmental? His OP is quoted below with bolding added by me to certain parts. He implies that BBWs have psychological problems for being kinky, as opposed to apparently mentally healthier thin kinky women. He ASSumes that BBWs don't draw any attention. He ASSumes that BBWs can only fantasize about being submissive because it would never happen in real life. He's ASSuming that a BBW streaker would be told to cover up because of her size.
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ORIGINAL: twistedom
No offense to anyone or those who like those type of women just notice from profile to profile that there seems to be a large percentage of bbws. Very seldom is there a woman considered slender, thin, average or whatever. No I dont think I'm gods gift to women or whatever. Just kinda wonder if there's something psychological there. A lot of women here have those force/rape fantasies. In everyday life in general a woman around 200 pounds isn't going to draw much attention from anyone who would actually force someone. is that part of it? Is it more of a fantasy to submit because its unlikely it would ever happen in real life. Look at streakers in sports across the world. If its fairly attractive woman there's cheers and such. If they were overweight I'm sure many would say oh my cover them up. Again not attacking but just rather curious why this and other sites seem to be widely populated by those types of women



So let's look at what you bolded here.

"Just kinda wonder if there's something psychological there."

You interpreted this as "psychological problem", but he never said that. He was just referring to psychological motivations, which obviously all of us have. No need to get your buttons pushed on this one.

"a woman around 200 pounds isn't going to draw much attention from anyone who would actually force someone."
"Is it more of a fantasy to submit because its unlikely it would ever happen in real life."
"I'm sure many would say oh my cover them up."


If you strip away the lack of tactfulness, all of these are just expressions of the idea that MOST men are not attracted to large bodytypes. Of course SOME are attracted, but most are simply not. It may not have been stated very nicely, but it's not a judgment or bigotry to imply something that is a fact in our society. And remember he never indicated that large women *should* be considered less desirable, simply that they *are* by most men - and it is a pretty big distinction. Consider that nobody would call someone a bigot simply for pointing out that blacks experience discrimination - but if they said that blacks *should* be discriminated against, well hey they would rightfully be called a bigot.

Plus the weight thing cuts both ways.. men with more bodyfat are going to get a lot less attention from MOST women. I've seen it myself. Like a lot of guys my weight has fluctuated over the years. When I was heavier I became mostly invisible to women in public, and when I am fit I get a lot of eye contact. I find it fascinating, and I certainly don't take it personally that this is the way of the world. It's just good motivation to stay fit.

The OP was expressing a naive curiousity about demographics and psychology, and put forth some rather misguided theories about rape. Rather than trying to educate the guy, he was mostly subjected to personal attack. In many cases these attacks were both very bitter and very very personal. So tell me again who was rushing to judgement?



I didn't find his post bigoted or particularly judgemental, either.  Most men WOULD rather a *hot body*did a bit of streaking, most don't wish the gal stripping on the sidelines was humungous. The majority of blokes would also hope for a rather youthful streaker.  I'm slim but I wouldn't presume for ONE moment that a youthful girl wouldn't be far more appreciated than me at 54yrs old! That's just a fact.

However clumsily he put it, he said nothing that *most* chaps don't think or prefer. Not all, but a large majority.

Rape is a completely different scenario

My daughter is a big girl.....she's young, pretty and lovely, but she knows damn well that lots of guys simply aren't attracted to her because she is fat. It's a fact......that's all it is. She's not hurt by it because she knows that's all it is, plus she could do something about it anytime she wants.

I also got plenty of *glazed over* looks when I was overweight after having my fourth child. Same face, different body. I've only spent 2 yrs being fat in my life-time but it was an eye-opening 2 yrs.

Tellingly, my husband didn't even notice that I was fat until we were looking at some photographs much later on.He said * Wow, I always said I'd never fuck a fat bird, too!!*, amid much hilarity. I wonder why that was???

Anyhow, I don't drool over fat blokes either, as a rule (ref DNYC)(apart from Robbie Coltrane and.....) But if M had been fat, I'd have been just as lappingly smitten. If he GOT fat now, I'd be just as disgustingly smitten......just as my husband was with me. He's M, he's gorgeous.

Isn't it wonderful how beautiful minds make beautiful sexy bodies?

agirl
























MistressSnow -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 1:26:35 AM)

Sherr,
Megan Fox was not trained in corsetry. Trust me. I could at my peak reduce down about 7 to 10 inches with the RIGHT tight lacing and a skilled dresser (helper). Me being a domme it is unusual to commit to waist training as I did, but I loved and still do love my corsets - the tighter the better.




let34 -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 9:24:22 AM)

Can't say I'm surprised the OP's comments would draw this response. But larger women are without a doubt over-represented in this scene/past time/hobby/whatever you call it here in Oz. I'm curious to know why.

Disclaimer: nothing against them, no offence meant!




PeonForHer -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 9:39:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: let34

Can't say I'm surprised the OP's comments would draw this response. But larger women are without a doubt over-represented in this scene/past time/hobby/whatever you call it here in Oz. I'm curious to know why.

Disclaimer: nothing against them, no offence meant!



This subject is without doubt a minefield, let34. My best guess is that it might have a lot to do with the BDSM scene being more open-minded about size (or, at least, the belief that it's more open-minded). I've sometimes wondered about the proportion of larger women who stay away from vanilla venues (standard pubs, nightclubs, etc), for instance, because they're self conscious about their size. I know a couple of larger women who feel that way. But, like I say, these are guesses only . . . .




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 9:53:13 AM)

I miss my 26" waist, too...sigh...

In my neck of the woods, there is a lot of acceptance of body type in the bdsm scene. There is also a "stand & model" scene of slender young people who despise the notpretty.

There is room for everyone, I think. If fat people are unattractive to you, don't date them! There are plenty who will, I assure you. My fat friends get MUCH more attention than I do in that regard.




kalikshama -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 9:55:23 AM)

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I've sometimes wondered about the proportion of larger women who stay away from vanilla venues (standard pubs, nightclubs, etc), for instance, because they're self conscious about their size.


I think you have a good point here.

I know swingers who call FetLife > FatLife.

The swing clubs I used to go to did have less overweight people than munches. People on South Beach tend to be young and thin. Haulover Beach is a clothing optional beach a little north of SOBE, where you'll find all body types, and the open minded attitude is part of the appeal. (Topless is permitted at the rest of Miami-Dade beaches, but not complete nudity.)




Hisprettybaby -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 9:55:39 AM)

I'm 6'1" and used to have a 29 inch waist, but no more.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 9:56:59 AM)

Haulover is separated from SOBE by a channel and a causeway, too! ~missing Sunny Isles~




GreedyTop -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 9:57:23 AM)

Peon.. darling.. it is because of paris and wossername.. nikki? yanno, those anorexic "famous for being famous" twats.. I'm sure there are twats in the UK that equate..

THEY get all the press, and so much attention that (regardless of what is being said) the fact that they get into all the "hot spots", it skews perceptions..

"if you arent a twig (apologies to Twiggy), then you arent worth attention"

unless they are twigs with large bums and tits..

(SLEEPY WARNING!! what I just said may not have made sense.. yes, this IS a macro)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 10:00:23 AM)

Wow, HPB, I had no idea you were so tall!




Hisprettybaby -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 10:19:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Wow, HPB, I had no idea you were so tall!

Yeah. lol




Hillwilliam -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 1:16:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Wow, HPB, I had no idea you were so tall!

Yeah. lol

*Has visions of interesting slow dances* (I'm 5'7)




Delilya -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 1:26:06 PM)

One of the reasons I have pictures on my profile. I want anyone writing me to know up front that I am larger. I know I am not everyone's cup of tea and that is fine. I have my preferences too. A lot of times it isn't so much what you say, as how you say it.




Buzzzz -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 1:36:13 PM)

The swingers call fet "fatlife" .. so , there you go.




MtGames -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 2:26:20 PM)

Three cheers for good advice!

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ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia
If you are Dom, who cares if the sub you find is out of shape and a bit overweight? Take her for walks with you, and gradually make changes so that she has a more healthy diet...and I don't mean "diet food", I am talking about decent meat, whole grain bread or pasta, a wide variety of raw veggies and fruit to snack on, and good quality cheese or other dairy. I am sure she will like kneeling at your feet while you hand feed her rather than going to some drive through McBurger. Hell's bells...if she sticks to her modest exercize routine for the entire week...reward her in a way that makes her feel great about herself and increases her hero worship of you. Check with her doctor and work together as a unit and not cause her to injure herself while trying to please you. My mother stopped exercizing for years because of exhaustion, and had to find out on her own after her divorce that she was anemic and needed shots for several years. Myself, I become exhausted over the winter if I do not have Vitamin D capsules. Becoming more physically active can be fun, and not just a chore, especially if it is time spent together and gives positive reinforcement, but health issues must be looked into first.





Hisprettybaby -> RE: Are overweight women drawn to this lifestyle? (10/24/2011 2:47:39 PM)

[:D]
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Hisprettybaby


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Wow, HPB, I had no idea you were so tall!

Yeah. lol

*Has visions of interesting slow dances* (I'm 5'7)

[:)] [sm=shake.gif]




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