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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 6:35:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Our wonderful culture and society make if difficultf for overweight people.  It letigimizes stigmatizing overweight people in its glorification of the thin and gaunt. Being overweight seems to signal a lack of control over oneself or one's life, to some, who, in turn judge harshly.  Sometimes I think we are all just primitive animals after all, smugly needing creating a pecking order to make ourselves feel better than those below us (and there must always be some, to keep reminding us how much higher we are in the order), and being overweight is an easy identifier as someone near the bottom.  I've beem both in my life.  Mostly thin, but went through an overweight phase for about 10 years.  Even my own (mostly trim, good-looking) family treated me as if I were invisible when I was overweight.  In a way, for me, it was, among other things, a rebellion.  It was my health and a few health challenges, that made me lose a great deal of weight, getting back to my old self. And yes, people regard and treat me differently now that I am thinner again.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 7:02:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being overweight by modern standards isn't normal, evolutionary-speaking. Men didn't evolve to find 1:1 hip to waist ratios attractive etc. Overweight people like to complain about being victimised while at the same time assaulting thinner people for being vain and media-influenced. They hate being judged but love to tell people what they should find attractive. If someone even dares speak out that they don't find cellulite or saggy guts attractive, the online fat-apologists will berate and insult them. I see this all the time on the internet, especially among women (who are the best at hiding their true feelings). Now we have a society where people judge silently. Being fat isn't a disease, you don't have a thyroid problem. You have a lifestyle problem of your own making. If you lack the self-discipline to control what you eat, to care about your own body, then it's naive to expect people not to judge you negatively.

Personally I don't care what a fat person does or how they choose to live their life. It's their life. But equally a fat person has no right to make demands on the rest of society. Short people have to suck it and deal with it. People with skin conditions have to suck it up and deal with it. You chose to be fat, either change it or deal with the judgements.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 7:06:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yanno...I've been thinking about this. I've been overly thin and I've been over weight. The only time I can remember getting comments about my weight was when I was too thin.

At this point in life I am really feeling good about my fitness and size. If anyone says anything I am oblivious to it. Yesterday I hiked about 10 miles with 20ish pounds of photography year and then, an additional 10ish pound of geodes on the last 5.

My daughter is grossly obese and has been since her early teens. I've never heard anyone say anything say anything snarky to her. She dated, she married, and has two lovely little girls. As far as I know, the only commentary has been from her doctors and most of all, herself. I honestly believe that the worst comes from herself. And, the assumption that others are thinking or feeling what she herself does. An awful lot of projection on her part. Certainly I want her to be thinner for her health. She is barely past the 30 mark and suffering the ill effects of her weight. I love her and want her around for a very long time.

So yeah, while I do know that weight seems to be one of the last okay 'ism's, I also think that it gets magnified by the inner chatter of the fat person. A vicious circle for sure.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 7:16:10 AM   
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Being fat isn't a disease, you don't have a thyroid problem.


yes I do, the first sign I have that it's gone wonky is I start gaining weight again. HOWEVER I don't use it as an excuse, it's just something that makes it more difficult to lose weight...which I am.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 9:10:04 AM   
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Being fat isn't a disease, you don't have a thyroid problem.


yes I do, the first sign I have that it's gone wonky is I start gaining weight again. HOWEVER I don't use it as an excuse, it's just something that makes it more difficult to lose weight...which I am.


You gain weight because you eat excessive calories due to a combination of poor diet habits and a lifestyle that isn't conducive to a healthy metabolism. Less than 1% of overweight people have thyroid problems. You find it difficult to lose weight because it requires consistent self-control. Don't worry, most women are the same.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 9:42:32 AM   
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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 9:45:24 AM   
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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 9:45:24 AM   
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Who wants a 6 pack when the whole keg is on the bar?


Of course you don't want a six pack, you need some cushion for when you're getting kicked in the balls by some fat "domme" you fat pussy.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 9:48:52 AM   
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I'll spell it out for ya.

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Who wants a 6 pack when the whole keg is on the bar?


Of course you don't want a six pack, you need some cushion for when you're getting kicked in the balls by some fat "domme" you fat pussy.



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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 9:49:19 AM   
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I prefer a man who has some meat on his bones. Skinny fellas never did it for me.


ditto, the exception being this dude Patrick I dated in HS. Skinny as a rake and all kids of awesome


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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 9:51:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		it would seem Johnb81 answered the original question...yes, they are.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 9:59:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the problem here is by defining people as "overweight people" - thus identified by this characteristic as if it comprises such a significant factor that you identify them as such... whereas they may be a lot of OTHER things as well. Why choose that aspect as the *defining* factor?

It wasn't until i noticed that a pattern between people who are chronically ill, and weight gain as an aspect of their condition. Someone close to me fits this, and it's not just a "thyroid" condition. There are a multitude of factors that contribute. People in their 20s have a naturally higher metabolism that yes, short of doing all the wrong things like being sedentary and eating too much would contribute to their weight gain. But beyond that, it gets much more complicated, and I wouldn't like to see anybody I care about be defined by that one aspect that really does nothing to speak to their character or who they are. It's just a facile view to see them that way and as nothing more. Here is an example that I came across to sort of prove my point how far widespread the issue is beyond McDonald-itis - http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=study-strengthens-link-be

All I am saying is, that we need to be aware that there are more reasons than ever that people are more than their genetic type - aka mesomorph, ectomorph, etc. Penn & Teller did a great "Bullshit!" episode on this issue.

On Lockit's original post, I tend to agree, as on another site, I received a letter of interest and it had nothing to do with weight - which is a non-issue, but his general "You should.... be this" and "You should ...do that" and i was pretty appalled by his strict laundry list of characteristics that he required. I was so turned off by the rigidity and "control-freak" nature that I know I wouldn't be a good fit because I like people more laid back and not hung up to the extreme on petty issues. I laugh, but I do wonder if he will ever find his match before he dies of his Type A heart attack.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:09:42 AM   
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Ya still don't get it do ya sonny.

I'll spell it out for ya.

It's eminently better to be fat drunk & happy than be a miserable sexless cunt.
I can sober up. You can't change.


fit, sober and happy trumps fat, drunk and happy everytime. If alcohol is a prerequisite for your happiness then I pity you dude.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:12:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being fat very well CAN be part of a disease. You spend a disproportionate amount of time in a gym so you spew out pseudo-edicts about the nature of weight gain or loss that is absent of any medical training. Your gym-aholic behavior skews your perspective.

Truth is, I have an illness that causes me to lose 10-20 lbs at times. I have to worry about malnutrition and am forced to drink nutrition supplements to try to put the weight back on. There ARE illnesses that directly affect a person's weight. and i don't think anybody should get medical opinions from a personal trainer who doesn't know fuck-all about medical science.

I wouldn't have replied but you attempt to speak with authority when in truth you are spewing nothing but your personal bias, and I wouldn't want anybody struggling w/ their weight to read what you write and give it any "weight"

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:17:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a prerequisite for being in a bar with real life people that also happen to be women enjoying a social drink.

It's also part of the sports culture, ya knaaa beat the shit out of each other for 80 mins & then get a few in post match.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:23:06 AM   
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Being fat very well CAN be part of a disease. You spend a disproportionate amount of time in a gym so you spew out pseudo-edicts about the nature of weight gain or loss that is absent of any medical training. Your gym-aholic behavior skews your perspective.

Truth is, I have an illness that causes me to lose 10-20 lbs at times. I have to worry about malnutrition and am forced to drink nutrition supplements to try to put the weight back on. There ARE illnesses that directly affect a person's weight. and i don't think anybody should get medical opinions from a personal trainer who doesn't know fuck-all about medical science.

I wouldn't have replied but you attempt to speak with authority when in truth you are spewing nothing but your personal bias, and I wouldn't want anybody struggling w/ their weight to read what you write and give it any "weight"


So some mysterious disease started inflicting western populations and making them obese, at the same time in the late 70's, after laying dormant for over 100,000 years of human evolution? It had nothing to do with the emergence of HFCS? Insulin resistance is not a disease. People eat too much (largely due to the influence of HFCS on american fast food and sodas) and get fat. Their health problems are attributable to their diets, not the other way around.

I help fat people get results every fucking day. I don't make up lies and use logical fallacies like arguments from authority. Once they accept the realities of their situation, and accept responsibility, I get them results, with a 100% success rate. The problem is morons like you spouting garbage. You overcomplicate what it is an extremely simple problem, to supply people with an excuse for their lifestyles.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:42:36 AM   
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uumm...you were in an emergency room.

She saw you and thought maybe you were having a baby and that's why you were there. People in emergency rooms like to talk to each other about whatever they are there for because it helps to take the stress out of the reason they are there. She probably felt she could talk to  you. I don't see how that was rude or talking without thinking.

And this has obviously never happened to you, or you wouldn't feel the need to say the bolded part.



This HAS happened to me though.

After the birth of my 4th child, I was collecting my eldest son from his bus pick-up. The bus driver who'd watch me get bigger and bigger as my pregnancy progressed, waved and smiled and bellowed across the road "When's the little one due?". The baby was 2 months old by then. He was being friendly, that's all, and the poor chap blushed like fury when I pointed to the pushchair behind me........LOL.  'Twas a funny moment.

I can't always tell is someone is fat or pregnant if they are carrying their weight on their stomach. People who comment on pregnancy do so out of interest as it's a nice and generally an interesting event. The last thing they are intending is to make a fat person feel badly.

Like littlewonder, I also can't for the life of me see how it's rude or *not thinking*.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:43:54 AM   
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Being fat very well CAN be part of a disease. You spend a disproportionate amount of time in a gym so you spew out pseudo-edicts about the nature of weight gain or loss that is absent of any medical training. Your gym-aholic behavior skews your perspective.

Truth is, I have an illness that causes me to lose 10-20 lbs at times. I have to worry about malnutrition and am forced to drink nutrition supplements to try to put the weight back on. There ARE illnesses that directly affect a person's weight. and i don't think anybody should get medical opinions from a personal trainer who doesn't know fuck-all about medical science.

I wouldn't have replied but you attempt to speak with authority when in truth you are spewing nothing but your personal bias, and I wouldn't want anybody struggling w/ their weight to read what you write and give it any "weight"


So some mysterious disease started inflicting western populations and making them obese, at the same time in the late 70's, after laying dormant for over 100,000 years of human evolution? It had nothing to do with the emergence of HFCS? Insulin resistance is not a disease. People eat too much (largely due to the influence of HFCS on american fast food and sodas) and get fat. Their health problems are attributable to their diets, not the other way around.

I help fat people get results every fucking day. I don't make up lies and use logical fallacies like arguments from authority. Once they accept the realities of their situation, and accept responsibility, I get them results, with a 100% success rate. The problem is morons like you spouting garbage. You overcomplicate what it is an extremely simple problem, to supply people with an excuse for their lifestyles.


Although this is off topic... I'm going to address what you are saying John. In some cases, you may be correct, in others you are incorrect. April is not just spouting off factoids found somewhere. They are indeed true.

I will use myself as an example. I was a dancer. I worked out at least four hours a day and I could have matched you muscle per muscle except for the one in your pants and believe me, I had my own womanly muscles there that were quite fit. I did have a stomach that looked like your own. My whole body looked like that. People could not believe what they were seeing when they saw my small frame and all those muscles.

However... I had a couple genetic diseases, a few odd ball diseases and then a back injury that curved my spine and required surgery. I still tried to dance and work out. Bad move there. My thyroid had been a problem since my first baby and I got Graves disease with a goiter the size of a tangerine which kept me too skinny. When you don't treatment for Graves disease by removing the thyroid and use medication instead, the thyroid can go from Hyper to Hypo in about twenty years. It isn't just the thyroid or one medical problem or another that can cause weight gain or loss. These illnesses manifest in a manner that means they conflict with other things and many that have one illness are subject to sister illnesses or more than one illness. One thing effects another until a point where there isn't much you can do.

My thyroid goes off when I have had a virus and then for the next two years I am battling to get it under control and then try to lose the weight. I cannot work out, I cannot dance one dance unless I want to be disabled for days or weeks and know pain you would never be able to understand the depth of. I can say this without hesitation because of the ignorance of word usage you have in name calling those that have more weight that you believe is acceptable.

So while you think you know so much, you cannot discredit what is a fact in those that are ill. You are young... wait... you may be life enlightened. My son was all over this... don't lay down and die bit and you need to do this or that to stay built and well. He is about to be released from the Army because the genetics have gotten him too and he is about to find out what it is like to eat his own words and live the hell I have. Tread lightly with those words young buck... you could be eating them one day, despite your wonderful means of doing all you need to look like that.


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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:44:26 AM   
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Here's the thing:  I don't mind overweight people. They're nice people. On that same note, they also make a lot of excuses from what I have seen. Some blatantly lie to validate their current condition and luckily I don't play a bigger influence in their life or I'd not stand for that behaviour. 

Many large people think that by "losing weight" you need to become some skeletal husk.  You don't.  Somebody loves you the same?  That's awesome, I'm happy for you.  They'll love you the same if you actually drop the pounds then.


I've noticed the same thing more times than not.

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RE: Those that dislike over weight people, less toleran... - 10/30/2011 10:48:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not a moron and you sinking to name-calling seems to fit your character.

All I am saying is, that aside from your "clients" who need to and should apply themselves to a fitness regimen, there are a great number of people whose problem isn't "insulin resistance" and may be sourced to other problems. Mankind hasn't changed as much as our understanding of what causes various conditions has. We're more informed now, but some stereotypes haven't caught up. (previous example i gave: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=study-strengthens-link-be )

What you are saying may not be as relevant to me as I have been put on TPN a number of times and had no choice in the matter, and I am sure I am not the only one who has had to have TPN to survive. But these are medical issues, and I only caution that you are not at all well-versed in those subjects. It's just all i know, is, you can't simplify things like that unless you yourself are so simple to not see "one size does not fit all"


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