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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:09:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		yep...and it may be just as good as yours...So tell me in your opinion do you think the American people want to see the Marine Corps supporting civilian protests?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:09:55 PM   
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I could be wrong... just my opinion... but I think you will find most Marines will look on that boy as a disgrace to their uniform



Your opinion is wrong.
You could not possibley know most marines or what they think.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:10:57 PM   
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Protesters can become riots on a moment's notice.


Do you have some validation for this outside of your own paranoia?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:14:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

yep...and it may be just as good as yours...So tell me in your opinion do you think the American people want to see the Marine Corps supporting civilian protests?



OK ... oakland pd swat and 1/9 behind the gym after school.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:21:09 PM   
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yep...and it may be just as good as yours...So tell me in your opinion do you think the American people want to see the Marine Corps supporting civilian protests?

I'm not the one claiming they are or they are not but I have looked at a few online boards frequented by Ex Military and they are PISSED about what happened to that marine. By about 20:1, they support him.

My opinion is that the American people support our vets more now than at any rate since WWII and it's about fucking time. Unfortunately, our government doesnt seem to agree. This goes back 20 years or more. Yet we have police supporters on these boards calling that young man a "Dirtbag" quote unquote.
If I'm not mistaken, you called him a disgrace to the uniform. That young man has more balls than you have ever seen. The vids I have seen when a vet comes into an OWS site shows little old ladies hugging them. Young hippie looking guys coming up and shaking their hand, Women giving them a hug and a kiss on the cheek and everything in between.

If you see something that is different, post it.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:28:19 PM   
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...shit happens.


The operative words are a conflict existed between two opposing forces,

Actually no conflict existed the protesters were all asleep when the swat team showd up and attacked...what part of that do you not understand?


casualties are inevitable,


When the swat team attacks sleeping people ...you seem to have a pretty firm grasp of the obvious.

had I been a member of that police department and on that assigned duty the minute I was confronted


You would be the confrontor not the confronted since you would be the attacker.

I would have assumed a defensive posture and with extreme prejudice and overwhelming force naturalizedthe word is neutralize the threat against my life.


There was no threat to your life and these were not terrorists but your fellow american citizens legally exercising their constitutional rights. How can you be so dense as to not see the complete falacy of your position. You are not being attacked you are the attacker.

If a civil demonstration becomes less the peaceful in any manner it becomes a rioting mob endangering the life safety and security of every citized.

So raising ones's voice from a more moderate tone, in your opinion, constitutes a rioting mob...for fucks sake read the drivel you post before subjecting the rest of us to your moronic ranting.





Actually no conflict existed the protesters were all asleep when the swat team showd up and attacked...what part of that do you not understand?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:33:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

yep...and it may be just as good as yours...So tell me in your opinion do you think the American people want to see the Marine Corps supporting civilian protests?

http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/lqjx2/how_i_feel_as_a_united_states_marine_about_what/

Here is one of the boards I was talking about. Lots of pissed off vets.

Here's a selected quote from a marine: "I'd like to see that cowardly officer go up against and fight a Marine on equal terms. Fucking dead."


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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:36:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I believe he is a disgrace. It is not his place...but I am not criticizing the movement...just the contention that the military is now supporting it because of this boys injury. That is dangerous irresponsible rhetoric.

The last thing this movement needs is to scare away supporters with calls for rogue military retaliation. It will kill your movement faster than anything else. Yes people want change...I do too... but not armed revolution.

Butch

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:40:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		pssssssst, not My movement. I support some of the things they want but I also support some of the TEA Party's desires. AS I said earlier, they have more in common than either group is willing to admit. My comments are that the police acted irresponsibly but the one that pulled the trigger will be protected by the "Blue Line".
They will also have a lot of vets who would ordinarily support them turn their back on them because of this.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:44:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good now we can both agree...perhaps i was reading too much into your posts...I too think they over reacted and some vets may very well feel that way...but not the majority... or... will they, as some have suggested, join in retaliation.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:50:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Good now we can both agree...perhaps i was reading too much into your posts...I too think they over reacted and some vets may very well feel that way...but not the majority... or... will they, as some have suggested, join in retaliation.

Butch

I think they will join the protest and be welcomed with open arms. I think the police will be a bit more cautious knowing they they aren't dealing with street bums but trained warriors that have seen and done more nasty things than they can imagine.
I sincerely HOPE that things will be peaceful.
Some cops are nervous around combat vets. When I was a wrestling coach, I had a SWAT team come in for the summer program to learn techniques after one of their members realized how unprepared they were (working out with me). I had all sorts of fun martial artists and assorted interesting people working out there as it was an open gym. The ex SEAL scared the FUCK out of them.
I learned a lot from that little dude.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 2:53:01 PM   
kdsub


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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 3:20:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Yes I believe he is a disgrace. It is not his place...but I am not criticizing the movement...just the contention that the military is now supporting it because of this boys injury. That is dangerous irresponsible rhetoric.

The last thing this movement needs is to scare away supporters with calls for rogue military retaliation. It will kill your movement faster than anything else. Yes people want change...I do too... but not armed revolution.

Butch


psttt... I never said the military is supporting this movement. I did say vets are getting behind it.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:34:06 PM   
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How big was this encampment at 3 am that it required so many to come make them leave?

She fucked up. The city fucked up. 17 agencies???? 100's of cops???? and they couldnt control the crowd?


I think the quote you pasted about the protesters returning to "retake" the plaza more than adequately answers most of your questions about this. it sounds to me like they wanted conflict, and they got it. It's a fact that in any given city, the numbers of police officers is easily dwarfed by the number of citizens. That is why they show up in force at times like this. They need all hands on deck. Want more proof? Look up videos of the L.A. riots.

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I dont care if the officer who shot the canister meant to hit Scott or not. Simple fact is, he got hurt, in what was supposed to be a peaceful removal of protesters.... in a city that promised not to use items such as rubber bullets, they were found all over the place.

Amazing how everyone wants OWS to "follow the rules" when no one else does.... and thats sorta the point.


Yeah it started out peacefully. But when the protesters start conflict, peace goes out the window pretty fast.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:40:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		100's of cops from 17 agencies with guns, tear gas and such vs 100's of protesters with.... tents?

Yup, I can just see how equal it all was.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:42:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
We had a dash cam incident here. The sheriff flipped his car on a bridge at 2AM on a sunday morning. Would you test a normal person for DUI? Dash cam off and not even a citation for failure to maintain. The trooper was suspended for 2 whole days.
Sheriff 2 counties over indicted in a cockfighting ring. Evidence 'disappeared'. Nothing done.
Google "Miami River Cops" sometime. There were dozens involved in a drug/murder gang. How did it get that big without being ignored until it was too late?
Officer 2 towns over threatens people with a weapon when he's drunk. Charges dropped for lack of prosecution. Witnesses wouldn't come forward (I wonder why?).


Ahhhhh. So yours is a problem of generalization then. That explains it. Since you've heard of a couple of times when a cop skated on something, you assume all cops are bad. I don't have that problem. I know there are many great cops and I know there are a few bad apples.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
You as much as called that marine a "dirtbag" in an earlier post and you have done nothing but defend the actions of the police even to the point of claiming that a cannister fired in an arc must have hit him in the head hard enough to fracture a skull but there is NO WAY he was aimed at.

The officers deserve "The benefit of a doubt" but that marine doesn't?


Well, as I've said before, the protesters turned violent. When you assault officers of the law, you get what you ask for. The mere fact that this guy was still in the area to be hit tells us he didn't leave when told to. If you refuse orders to leave an area, you are responsible for what happens as a result.

And for the record, the dirtbag comment was directed at the tatted up, pierced so-called Marine in the posted photo.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:44:12 PM   
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Yeah it started out peacefully. But when the protesters start conflict, peace goes out the window pretty fast.


How peaceful is it when someone rips you out of your sleep to trash you stuff.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:46:19 PM   
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Well, as I've said before, the protesters turned violent. When you assault officers of the law, you get what you ask for


How did they turn violent?

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:46:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are a few good cops. However, expect the military guys to lose out. The cops are there for the duration with the sweet benefits, whereas these days you don't see a lot of career military, a majority usually get out as soon as they can.

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RE: USMC joins #OWS after OPD takes a headshot at Marin... - 10/28/2011 5:46:51 PM   
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DarqueMirror makes the point of how easily rocks and bottles can turn into IED's, molotov cocktails, and guns. Yet, it hasn't and has a low probability of doing so in the near future.


That's because the police acted and cleared out the protesters and showed that no violence will be tolerated.

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That's because the movement at large, even if a minority within it support violence as a means of effecting political will (more in a sec), has made the conscious choice to not be violent to date. That's because they've opted for non-violent resistance and civil disobedience.


Never doubt the power of mob mentality. It only takes a few to start the crowd going.

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