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thishereboi -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 6:37:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Its a far left movement that has the full loving support of Barack Obama and all the other major Democrats. If there has been any disharmony between the Dems in office and the Dems and Communists and Anarchists and Nazis out pounding their chests on the streets there isnt any evidence of it here, nor anywhere else as far as I know of. quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Something you havent figured out yet is that the OWS movement isnt a Democrat movement or a Republican movement. It is a movement to cut the incestuous relationship between the large corporations and BOTH major parties. What's interesting, sanity, is that in the early days of the TEA Party, (before they were coopted by the religious right) they said much of the same things that the OWS is saying now. They were initially fighting against corruption in government and the fact that most of our lawmakers of both parties are 'bought and paid for' by lobbyists. The 2 groups have more in common than either would like to admit. I remember that. I also remember a lot of posters on cm who said they were ignorant because they kept coming up with different answers when asked what they were protesting. Apparently back then you had to have one issue you were against. Now, not so much.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 6:40:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Look at the ealiest history of the TEA party(first coupla months). They weren't a Democrat or Republican group. They were Independents. Their goal was to eliminate corruption and cronyism in government on both sides of the aisle. That is one reason they went after Republicans as well as Dems in the elections. They didn't begin as a particularly religious group but they became one after the Far Right saw all that energy and fund raising capability and decided to harness it to their own means. They were politically naive and when offered leadership, they accepted it. No, their association with the Republican party is really an "overturning" of the establishment part of the Party. The party's stated ideals better matched the beliefs of many of the TEA party movement members, and gave a path to make a real political impact. That's why it is more closely identified with the Republicans now, and why even establishment Republicans hate, and are against it. Firm

Marc2b -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 6:48:22 AM)
quote: I have a problem with the "coopted by the religious right" comment as well, Hill. There is a confluence of interests, between TEA partiers and other interests, but the core of the TEA party is that we are spending too much on government (Taxed Enough Already), and that the government has gotten too big and powerful. You can have other beliefs, and still support the movement, but no other beliefs are "required" to be part of the movement. The TEA party movement isn't "religious" in any sense of the word at all. Kinda like the OWS movement believes that the 1% is corrupt, and responsible for most of our economic ills, but you can also believe other things, and still be part of the movement. Doesn't mean that the OWS is specifically "communistic" or "socialist" or "anarchist". While I agree that we shouldn't paint with too broad a brush I still find it interesting that the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement reflect the usual Right/Left paradigm. The Tea Party believes that government is the main problem (Right) while the Occupy Movement believes that rich people are the main problem (Left). Still waiting for the movement that reflects my philosophy: "Ya'll fucked in the head! Smoke a dobbie, crank up the Pink Floyd and chill the fuck out!"

Hillwilliam -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 7:06:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b quote: I have a problem with the "coopted by the religious right" comment as well, Hill. There is a confluence of interests, between TEA partiers and other interests, but the core of the TEA party is that we are spending too much on government (Taxed Enough Already), and that the government has gotten too big and powerful. You can have other beliefs, and still support the movement, but no other beliefs are "required" to be part of the movement. The TEA party movement isn't "religious" in any sense of the word at all. Kinda like the OWS movement believes that the 1% is corrupt, and responsible for most of our economic ills, but you can also believe other things, and still be part of the movement. Doesn't mean that the OWS is specifically "communistic" or "socialist" or "anarchist". While I agree that we shouldn't paint with too broad a brush I still find it interesting that the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement reflect the usual Right/Left paradigm. The Tea Party believes that government is the main problem (Right) while the Occupy Movement believes that rich people are the main problem (Left). Still waiting for the movement that reflects my philosophy: "Ya'll fucked in the head! Smoke a dobbie, crank up the Pink Floyd and chill the fuck out!" That's why I said that OWS and TEA have more in common than they will admit. It's the incestuous relationship between lawmakers and those who "Bought" them that has us in this mess.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 7:11:15 AM)
So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't. Fair enough.

Marc2b -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 7:18:22 AM)
quote: So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't. My comment was not about who may or may not have been aligned with whom, but about their respective world views.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 7:20:17 AM)
oops, sorry bout that marc, I misread.

tazzygirl -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 7:44:38 AM)
quote: So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't. Fair enough. Many remember them being unaligned before the "religious" groups stepped in and the republican party started playing to the audience.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 7:50:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't. Fair enough. I'm not sure that boi was addressing that part of your post, but I'll let her clarify. (The "unaligned from the religious right" comment, I mean.) Firm

Sanity -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 8:08:59 AM)
Love the sourcing on that bit of information [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Them damn fat cat Republicans .... Obama's Wall Street cabinet 6 April 2009 <snip>

Owner59 -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 8:30:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't. Fair enough. Many remember them being unaligned before the "religious" groups stepped in and the republican party started playing to the audience. Yuppers..... Ron Paul Ron Paul is the original tea party. And he and his movement was rejected buy the GOP to the point where Paul held a counter convention, in the same city and at the same time as the National Republican Convention. What a fucking embarrassment for the grand oil party.... The original tea-party...... Stephen Gordon,one of Ron Paul`s media coordinators and grass-roots(meaning genuine)tea-party activist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzufuX_KMq8&feature=related Stephen Gordon Part II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRLPXEr3ZoQ There was an original and sincere libertarian-ish movement that was actually against big government, including what Mr. Gordon referred as "republican big government",...oww......ouch[:D] And as Mr Gordon explained, the old sore-loser GOPeers have stolen the movement to hide behind.And make money off of and exploit.

errantgeek -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 8:36:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY No, their association with the Republican party is really an "overturning" of the establishment part of the Party. The party's stated ideals better matched the beliefs of many of the TEA party movement members, and gave a path to make a real political impact. That's why it is more closely identified with the Republicans now, and why even establishment Republicans hate, and are against it. Firm Yes and no. Remember, the guys who would become the tea party complained -- loud and constantly -- about the appointment of Eric Holder, Tim Geithner, and the retention of Ben Bernanke in the Obama administration. And those criticism were very well-founded. Then, FreedomWorks, FNC and AFP hit the scene, huge amounts of money and media exposure entered the tea party coffers, and suddenly all that complaint of corporate patronage and regulatory capture disappeared and was scrubbed from the tea party's platform and the memberships' minds, replaced by screaming about socialism, Obamacare, Stalinism, and all that other nonsense. It wasn't that the tea party was a populist movement that overturned the Republican establishment, quite the opposite in fact. The tea party was a populist movement that was captured by a handful of conservative fringe elements with very deep pockets, who in turn overturned the Republican establishment. In a way, while the tea party nominally represents ideals that should align very closely with the occupy movement and make them natural allies, they don't and in fact are opposed to the occupy movement, because the tea party has become a microcosm of exactly what the occupy movement protests: the capture of organizations by corporate money and influence-bartering to further corporate, rather than popular, interest.

tazzygirl -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 9:04:23 AM)
Yet many scoff at the idea that the OWS and the Tea Party, in the beginning, were very similar in beliefs. They still are. They just cant see past the rhetoric of the likes of Rush, Rachel, Fox News an the like.

tazzygirl -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 9:05:26 AM)
Call it like it is.. the Koch brothers stepped in and it went to pot.

rulemylife -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 9:17:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir quote: ORIGINAL: wittynamehere quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir The point is that OWS is all about wealth distribution That's what you're saying it is, but that's not true. Look on the website, it's nothing like that. The main goal is going after corruption, not about wealth distribution. The media makes it about inequality and you just eat it right up. Why not get your information from the source? It's easily available. OWS doesn't have a solid message that they can all agree on. If you actually TALK to the people down there more often than not it is about wealth redistribution. It is about envy. It is that corporate greed is bad but personal greed is good as long as it is someone in the "99%" who is greedy. No, what it is about is wealth redistribution in the wrong direction. The wealthiest have accumulated an ever increasing share of the wealth in this country while incomes of the majority of Americans have stagnated or gone down.

tazzygirl -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 9:28:43 AM)
I have to agree with rule. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/hoarding-hiring-corporations-stockpile-mountain-cash/story?id=10250559 One piece of economic data that has caught the attention of Byrnes, and others in his predicament, is a fairly staggering figure that comes out of the Bureau of Economic Analysis: Despite widespread unemployment, the BEA reports that U.S. corporations, reluctant to expand in an uncertain economy, are sitting on $1.6 trillion in cash reserves, a record amount, according to BEA economist Greg Key. Even looking at the companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 index of blue chips -- and stripping out financials, which are required by regulators to keep large cash reserves in order to cushion against risk -- the cash on hand number is still rather monstrous: $1.1 trillion. To put that in perspective, as a percentage of companies' total market capitalization, that $1.1 trillion is more than double the ratio seen before the crisis.

rulemylife -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 9:30:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir I know it isn't a Michelin-starred restaurant, but most of these people in their "protest" aren't doing much more than the homeless are doing....loitering. They are sitting on their asses, chanting with each other, playing drums or knitting, and getting in people's way who have to go to work or other appointments. They leave trash everywhere, defecate and urinate in the streets and in flowerpots. In Occupy Baltimore, they are telling women who are raped that it should be handled internally and to report it to their "security council" but they can report it to the police if they really want to. Do you have any credible citations for any of this? Otherwise I'm just going to assume you are making things up.

tazzygirl -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 9:31:38 AM)
They keep ignoring the fact that only 15% are unemployed.

Owner59 -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 10:05:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yet many scoff at the idea that the OWS and the Tea Party, in the beginning, were very similar in beliefs. They still are. They just cant see past the rhetoric of the likes of Rush, Rachel, Fox News an the like. Hanity was basically uninvited to a T-event.fox w/ beck and hanity were shameless with their co-opting/theft of the movement. The extremests/neo-cons ruined the GOP and then they went for the Ts.

tazzygirl -> RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders (10/28/2011 10:12:56 AM)
And the rest did the TP no good with their finger pointing and name calling.

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