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myotherself -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 2:48:41 PM)

Yep Fire - that makes sense!




Hillwilliam -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 2:50:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm gonna repost this with slightly different wording because it got removed last night and it's My own damn fault for not paying attention. (ty VAD for bringing it to my attention)

Religion is like a penis. A large portion of the population has one and some are inordinately proud of theirs.

That doesn't give you a right to flaunt it in public or cram it down some unsuspecting person's throat.



Hmm. This popped right into my head when I read that: Replace "religion" with "opinion."

We all do that, all the time, right here on the boards. Everyone does it, everywhere. What is so different from you flaunting your opinion right here in this posting and him flaunting his religion on his doorstep?

As a general rule, an opinion doesnt promise an afterlife or eternal damnation. Neither do opinions have a reputation of being the cause of wars that kill hundreds of thousands.
That's reserved for religion.
For some folks, it's an awesome thing but it's best kept behind closed doors (like a penis).

In fact, if you reread Matthew Ch 24, you will see that it is advised to be private with your worship.



Aylee -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 2:51:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheFireWithinMe

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Well I'm not really sure what I did to piss him off but I think maybe being a female sub was enough...


To be honest it doesn't keep me up at night.


Isn't it obvious? You must not have allowed him to control your actions in regards to a conversation. That just chaps his ass raw, apparently.

The really amusing part is that he put me on "hide" AFTER I commented on the dangers of censorship and not knowing what the other side is saying.



tazzygirl -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 2:55:09 PM)

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Skipping past the fact that you declined to answer my question, this is purely a control issue. Just because you had a kid you think you get to build him in your image, but the fact is that he is a human being living in society. If you don't want him interacting with society, there is an obvious solution: Don't let him leave the house. But if you're going to take that route, let's not try and pretend you're all about letting him make his own decisions, because if you were you would take no issue with outside information being dispersed. You want to control what he can and cannot read, and this guy is threatening that tenuous information control schema.


I accept that... it is about control... and until he became an adult, I did control his world. I controlled it from outside forces and encouraged him to explore it from within. No question went unanswered, no topic off limits. From questions about condoms at age five to questions about the Passion of Christ at age 15.

You are mistaking controlling the outside influence from the inside influence... his world was his own to make it as he wished... with as little interference from others and my acting as his shield.

Now, when your own is grown, and you can reflect back upon your own teaching methods, do look me up again. Do you even have children yet?



kalikshama -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 3:13:07 PM)

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a man that will be handing out bibles rather than candy in protest of kids celebrating satan's birth.


I have no problem with using Halloween to promote one's agenda; in fact, instead of shutting off all the lights like I usually do, perhaps I will give out raisins or apples this year.

However, as Halloween has nothing to do with Satan's birthday, as DS and I pointed out earlier, I do have a problem with using Halloween to promote disinformation.



mons -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 3:17:07 PM)

I wonder where did he get so many bibles, he must work for a church that would be the only way to
get so many at one time!  If they know where he lives they should not go, as a christian there are many
whom go to far!  This is one of those times!  What happen to just having fun and eating candy, it is the one of best
times for kids, they can dress up and go out to get candy???/ 

mons /jane

mons



AdorkableAiley -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 3:22:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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a man that will be handing out bibles rather than candy in protest of kids celebrating satan's birth.


I have no problem with using Halloween to promote one's agenda; in fact, instead of shutting off all the lights like I usually do, perhaps I will give out raisins or apples this year.

However, as Halloween has nothing to do with Satan's birthday, as DS and I pointed out earlier, I do have a problem with using Halloween to promote disinformation.


Yes this is the one thing that concerns me. He is well within his right to hand out what he pleases, and again I will stress, as long as it is harmless. But disinformation for the sole purpose of vilifying someone else’s religious views or holidays is unacceptable. The handing out of the bible itself isn’t really the problem here and I think it’s fine that he does it. It is the attitude behind the act, that if anything, concerns me.
 
 
Ailey



Aylee -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 3:27:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mons

I wonder where did he get so many bibles, he must work for a church that would be the only way to
get so many at one time!  If they know where he lives they should not go, as a christian there are many
whom go to far!  This is one of those times!  What happen to just having fun and eating candy, it is the one of best
times for kids, they can dress up and go out to get candy???/ 

mons /jane

mons


He is a Gideon.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 3:59:44 PM)

I would have been deeply pissed off if someone gave my child a bible without my permission. That is bullshit and extremely presumptuous. If they don't want to celebrate Halloween, they should just turn off their porch light and ignore trick or treaters, not try to indoctrinate other people's kids.
I never had the bible thing happen, but one family in our old neighborhood did pass out those creepy Chick religious tracts. I always read them, because they are hilarious and kitschy, but I always threw them away after that, I didn't let my kids read that shit.



SternSkipper -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 6:10:39 PM)

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I felt the need to share this. It is about a man that will be handing out bibles rather than candy in protest of kids celebrating satans birth. Anyone want to comment?


Candy is better for your teeth than bibles... How's that?



SternSkipper -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 6:12:05 PM)

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Its like the "jesus ween" going around. If its what they want to do, who am I to argue. However, I wouldnt be taking my kid to that house.


Charlie Brown - "I got a bible"





SternSkipper -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 6:14:22 PM)

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I think this whole evangelical business of trying to shove Jesus under everyone's nose at any opportunity borders on the depraved, and when you're talking about children I think it's disgusting.


if you wanna hang out you gotta, whip him out, jesus-caine



LafayetteLady -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 10:18:08 PM)

~fast reply~

I think people are making a big issue out of something very minor. As others have said, the dentist hands out toothbrushes, people hand out pennies (probably quarters not, that was a long time ago), fruit, whatever.

If your kid was allergic to peanuts, are you going to be rude when they get a Reese's Peanut Butter cup? Of course not, you will just not let your child have it. And it IS rude, make no mistake about that. YOU (or your child) is ringing HIS doorbell, begging for a goodie. If you don't want your kid to get things you don't approve of, then keep them the hell home.

Being a responsible parent, means acting in a REASONABLE manner and showing children the PROPER way to deal with people whose beliefs are different than our own. Do Jewish people make a stink if a sales clerk says, "Merry Christmas?" A reasonable person smiles, says thank you and moves on, content with the fact the sales clerk was trying to be polite.

Now if the guy was going to preach, that's a different story. But honestly, I think that often times many people here are so caught up in their beliefs or lack thereof, that while they thought they were teaching their child tolerance, acceptance and social acceptance, they were way off the mark. X-raying your kids' candy? Great way to make them paranoid. Saying "no thank you" to unwanted treats? Great idea. If someone ever said that to me when I offered them whatever I was handing out for trick or treat, I would tell them they should have stayed home and had the kid knock on the doors in the house for treats.



tazzygirl -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 10:20:29 PM)

Yet another one telling people how to raise their children. [8|]



Hillwilliam -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 10:28:35 PM)

All I will add is that Monday night, My porch light will be on with a lit pumpkin and there will be CANDY.

I like to see the little ones smile.



tazzygirl -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 10:32:50 PM)

~grins

I do too... and for those with peanut allergies, I found this little treat that many teachers use.. and kids adore... apple cider donuts. If you have a GFS near you, its worth the trip. Individually packaged and peanut free. [:D]



Kirata -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 10:35:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

Replace "religion" with "opinion."

We all do that, all the time, right here on the boards. Everyone does it, everywhere. What is so different from you flaunting your opinion right here in this posting and him flaunting his religion on his doorstep?

Excuse me? This forum exists for the "flaunting" of opinions. Halloween doesn't. People like this guy are liars and frauds. They aren't celebrating Halloween. They turn on their porch light for no other reason than to abuse the holiday by using it as a vehicle for insinuating hateful crap into the minds of impressionable children.

K.



MissImmortalPain -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/29/2011 11:02:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

When I was young we had churches that participated in Halloween.



They do that here too, and it is wonderful. The way I see it is that as long as the kids are having nonharmful fun that is all that matters.

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynn

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You would let your 4-old child read "Mein Kampf".
yea sure, why the fuck not, other than the fact that it is really fucking badly written.


I agree with you on this one too Hanna. I mean after all I let my kid read twightlight when he wanted to.


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

I am a Halloween killjoy, myself.


I wouldn't call you a killjoy myself. You are doing things as you see fit to do them and you are well withing your rights to do so. I have a sister that is wiccan who will not put up pictures of hook nosed witchs on halloween because of what they imply. I don't argue her right as to how she wants to decorate/or not decorate. I don't think anyone should.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm gonna repost this....


I'm not going to quote you further than that because I got gold mail too. But for the record I agree with you about opinios and forcing them on others.

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ORIGINAL: ricken

let the little rug rats have some fun being little kids, the worlds too fucked up anyway.



Above all else I agree with this. Children should be allowed to be children for as long as they can. The weight of the world will be dropped on them in less time than they know. There is no real. good reason. to remove fun from them when they are still children.

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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

Oh please. Sterile explanations of extreme punishments for sin are not going to faze anyone old enough to understand the language. I read the damn thing when I was in single-digit ages and gave not a single fuck. It's no more violent than Saturday morning cartoons.


I hate to have to disagree with you but as someone else that read the bible in her single digits I didn't even make it to the new testiment before I was rather sure that *god* hated all of us over an apple. Had my mother not been there to tell me to keep reading I more than likely would have never finished the book. And I would most likely have a very dim view of *god* to this day. Kids can be traumatized by all sorts of things. Oh, and for the record, when my son was small there were cartoons on that I didn't let him watch either.

In the end this really was, at least for me, more about the idea of removing fun from kids. This is one of the few holidays that is (IMO) very much about kids being kids. And I think it should be kept that way.



SternSkipper -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/30/2011 12:02:34 AM)

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Yet another one telling people how to raise their children.


Whatever happened to Virginia Graham?[:D]



littlewonder -> RE: Trick-or-bible (10/30/2011 12:29:47 AM)

so does anyone really know that trick or treating is less than 80 years old? According to the History channel special tonight it grew out of halloween pranking. Kids would go around playing pranks and destroying property. People got sick of having this happen so they started bribing kids with candy apples and popcorn balls. It worked. It eventually grew into commercial candy being given out and kids saying "trick....or treat?"....you give a treat and we won't trick you.

Up until that point this going door to door didn't exist. Until then Halloween was a time of remembrance of those who passed, of harvesting and renewing for the next year and yeah...held at churches....not much of a children's holiday though.







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