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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 4:01:23 PM   
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I really like that one. It does seem to be what they are going for, and scary enough- I can see them succeeding.


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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 4:01:46 PM   
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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 4:03:57 PM   
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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 4:04:08 PM   
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well, here's another claim made in other gmo posts here by certain individuals, that gmos will save the world, specifically increase food yields and end world starvation.. Apparently not so...

"“We need biodiversity intensification that works with nature’s nutrient and water cycles, not against them,” says Vandana Shiva, the founder of Navdanya, the movement of 500,000 seed keepers and organic farmers in India, argues that GMFs have not increased yields. Recently, Doug Gurian-Sherman, a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists, a nonprofit science advocacy group, published a report called “Failure to Yield”, in which he stated that in a nearly 20 year record, genetically engineered crops have not increased yields substantially of food and livestock feed crops in the United States."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food



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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 4:12:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep. On one of the articles I was reading it said 15 years- but that like yours all the promises it had made about increased production were pure crap.Purely about the power, and controlling the worlds food.

You should look at what they did to Argentina.

http://www.africanexecutive.com/modules/magazine/articles.php?article=766

" One country that chose to accept GM crops, whilst refusing to adapt patent law to meet Monsanto’s wishes, was Argentina. Monsanto’s GM Roundup Ready Soya, developed to be resistant to Roundup herbicide, entered the Argentine market at a time when the country had decided to focus its agriculture towards soya for exports. By subsidizing the Roundup, not patenting the crops, and allowing extensive contamination, GM soya took over 95% of the soya market. The social costs of this takeover were considerable -the herbicide-resistant technology was favorable to the largest Agribusiness farms whose farms expanded to tens of thousands of hectares, while hundreds of thousands of farming families were forced off the land to become unemployed in the cities. Once Monsanto controlled the nation’s soya economy in this way, they threatened to cut off the seed supply if the Argentine government did not implement patent law, help Monsanto to recoup their royalties, make GM seed saving illegal, and put an end to the black market. A government proposal for a "Technology Compensation Fund" that would levy a charge on farmers selling their soybean harvests, in order to return the equivalent of the royalty charges to the GM Company, is currently stuck in Congress due to resistance from farming groups. Now Monsanto’s new strategy is to block exports when ships carrying exported soybeans arrive in a different country, until their demands for royalty payments are met. Argentina is currently planning to take legal action against Monsanto as the company blocks soya shipments to Spain from reaching the European Union."
Sounds like terrorism to me!


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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 4:21:12 PM   
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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 5:06:41 PM   
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Yep. On one of the articles I was reading it said 15 years- but that like yours all the promises it had made about increased production were pure crap.Purely about the power, and controlling the worlds food.

You should look at what they did to Argentina.

http://www.africanexecutive.com/modules/magazine/articles.php?article=766

" One country that chose to accept GM crops, whilst refusing to adapt patent law to meet Monsanto’s wishes, was Argentina. Monsanto’s GM Roundup Ready Soya, developed to be resistant to Roundup herbicide, entered the Argentine market at a time when the country had decided to focus its agriculture towards soya for exports. By subsidizing the Roundup, not patenting the crops, and allowing extensive contamination, GM soya took over 95% of the soya market. The social costs of this takeover were considerable -the herbicide-resistant technology was favorable to the largest Agribusiness farms whose farms expanded to tens of thousands of hectares, while hundreds of thousands of farming families were forced off the land to become unemployed in the cities. Once Monsanto controlled the nation’s soya economy in this way, they threatened to cut off the seed supply if the Argentine government did not implement patent law, help Monsanto to recoup their royalties, make GM seed saving illegal, and put an end to the black market. A government proposal for a "Technology Compensation Fund" that would levy a charge on farmers selling their soybean harvests, in order to return the equivalent of the royalty charges to the GM Company, is currently stuck in Congress due to resistance from farming groups. Now Monsanto’s new strategy is to block exports when ships carrying exported soybeans arrive in a different country, until their demands for royalty payments are met. Argentina is currently planning to take legal action against Monsanto as the company blocks soya shipments to Spain from reaching the European Union."
Sounds like terrorism to me!

Yes, Monsanto is nasty scum and it floored me to hear people defend them and say their gmos were going to feed the worlds poor and end starvation.. I have read lots about Monsanto and their tactics.. and having grown up on a small family farm.. well,.. my mother was very anti-pesticide/chemicals and thats a huge part of what Monsanto is. So, I was automatically anti-Monsanto...

I dont think gmos are going away, unfortunately. The patents on the early gmos are running out soon, in the US and i have read that the Chinese have a cheaper generic round-up now and the generic gmo seeds will happen soon too so Monsanto will lose their edge. I dont know how the patents work in other countries tho, but i expect the Chinese will find a way around them there. Patents expiring is probably the biggest threat to Monsanto, farmers around the world will buy the cheaper stuff when that becomes available to them.

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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 5:36:29 PM   
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I dont think gmos are going away, unfortunately. The patents on the early gmos are running out soon, in the US and i have read that the Chinese have a cheaper generic round-up now and the generic gmo seeds will happen soon too so Monsanto will lose their edge. I dont know how the patents work in other countries tho, but i expect the Chinese will find a way around them there. Patents expiring is probably the biggest threat to Monsanto, farmers around the world will buy the cheaper stuff when that becomes available to them.


I was looking at that, But than I saw an article somewhere about Monsanto finding a way to extend patents through some underhanded double dipping and corrupt officials.

I will try to find the link.


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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 6:44:20 PM   
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I was looking at that, But than I saw an article somewhere about Monsanto finding a way to extend patents through some underhanded double dipping and corrupt officials.

I will try to find the link.


Hmm.. I know the patent laws are changing in the US, i am not sure when that happens or in what ways they change or what effect if any there is on previous patents..


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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 7:24:27 PM   
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I used to go with a girl looked like that once, but she was mean; so I left her.

If she had given good blowjobs, you'd have kept her.

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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 7:27:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, and then there is the Blackwater/Monsanto connection.

But with all the thugging and thieving  Monsanto has pulled in the Prairie Provinces, if OWS Canada  needs a starting point for their declaration, denouncing these creatures and their conduct would be nice opening point, along with some proposal taking a nice rod to their backs.

When they are suing some poor farmer into oblivion for letting pollen from Monsantos patented wonderplants get wind blown over into his field and pollinating his plants  on the grounds  he was using their garbage with out paying them a royalty . . . Yeah that happened in Canada.

Like the man who raped your daughter suing you for using his DNA. to improve your bloodline without paying him

Not that they don't do the same things in the US. - - Monsanto’s Harvest of Fear

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Monsanto already dominates America’s food chain with its genetically modified seeds. Now it has targeted milk production. Just as frightening as the corporation’s tactics–ruthless legal battles against small farmers–is its decades-long history of toxic contamination.




And these corporate chemical/food gangsters are high if not atop the list of devils of most every independent farmer on the planet, from what can be read in the international press.



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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 7:41:36 PM   
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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 7:49:57 PM   
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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 7:53:23 PM   
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Yes, and then there is the Blackwater/Monsanto connection.

But with all the thugging and thieving  Monsanto has pulled in the Prairie Provinces, if OWS Canada  needs a starting point for their declaration, denouncing these creatures and their conduct would be nice opening point, along with some proposal taking a nice rod to their backs.

When they are suing some poor farmer into oblivion for letting pollen from Monsantos patented wonderplants get wind blown over into his field and pollinating his plants  on the grounds  he was using their garbage with out paying them a royalty . . . Yeah that happened in Canada.

Like the man who raped your daughter suing you for using his DNA. to improve your bloodline without paying him

Not that they don't do the same things in the US. - - Monsanto’s Harvest of Fear

Well, you can’t blame Monsanto now can you? They need blood thirsty mercs to bludgeon developing countries govt into submission some how now don’t they?

I read about that case years ago, it pissed me off majorly. I know laws vary but imo they would not have been able to sue the Sask farmer as easily had his farm been in the US. Trespass laws imo are entirely different in the US than Canada. I could have sued a neighbour for trespassing on my property in WA state but in BC, as long as the trespasser leaves right away you cant sue them or have them charged or anything. So if the farmer had been in the US with those kinds of trespass laws, they could have been charged and sued for theft of the plants they stole to analyze to prove their case. jmo

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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 7:57:50 PM   
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I'm not sure about obasity, erie, but I do think the litany of alphabet soup ailments (ADD, ADHD, autism etc) that our kids seem to have now might be correlated.

well, it could also be the soup of pesticides, herbicides and chemicals in our homes, workplaces, schools and enviroment.. no one has any good handle how they all interact and the effects of it all..

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RE: Our food supply - 11/2/2011 7:59:36 PM   
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I've not seen studies of this, but I have become convinced that the obesity problem in the US is caused, at least in part, by genetically modified foods and steroids given to chickens, cattle and hogs. 


Oh it is known. Certain people are already getting told by their doctors things, like not to eat non-organic red meat, or non-organic chicken meat.

Obesity is only one of the minor side effects.

There is also serious thinking that the antibiotics laced in the meat and even secreted into the ground and water supply  are in large part responsible for things like MRSA and other antibiotic resistant diseases.



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RE: Our food supply - 11/4/2011 7:16:20 AM   
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RE: Our food supply - 11/4/2011 4:23:48 PM   
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What's the story behind this pic?

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RE: Our food supply - 11/4/2011 7:13:02 PM   
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I reread Animal, Vegetable, Miracle for inspiration every few years.




I got the album, worked the show a bunch of times.

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RE: Our food supply - 11/4/2011 7:20:52 PM   
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Thanks Lilly, thats really cool to know... I will be checking labels when i go to the store today!


I will too. This is one of the reasons I like CM. I am always hearing about new things here. Thanks Lilly


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