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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/4/2011 2:43:39 PM   
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Mike...I did not say 1 percent...tazzy had a link that said less than one percent not me...I was going by FBI statistics for the 4.5 in the general population... There is no reason a 4.5 percent general and a less than 1 percent by a particular group is there?

Below is what I was going on... and these arrests don't even include drugs which would make to percentage much higher. They are only for violent and property crime.

"The estimated arrest rate for the United States in 2010 was 4,257.6 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants. The arrest rate for violent crime (including murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) was 179.2 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the arrest rate for property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson) was 538.5 per 100,000 inhabitants. "

So I should have said 4.3

Butch

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/4/2011 2:51:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

"The estimated arrest rate for the United States in 2010 was 4,257.6 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants. The arrest rate for violent crime (including murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) was 179.2 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the arrest rate for property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson) was 538.5 per 100,000 inhabitants. "

So I should have said 4.3

Butch

ty butch. You answered my question there too. I was just curious as to the methodology of gathering data.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/4/2011 3:13:44 PM   
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I wish I knew why the FUCK they protect the dirtbags.
because they are the dirtbags.

fuck your 95-99% are too honest bullshit. i'll grant you maybe 10%. you see, you deal with them from above so they keep their nice guy faces on, try dealing with them from below and see how many go looking for a blowjob, or some cash, or even your stash to leave you  the fuck alone. the problem here is that most of you just have never had to deal with the cops on a daily basis when they have the fucking upper hand.

another problem is that you fuckers are completely misunderstanding the purpose and function of the police. you think it is to solve crimes, its not. that is a sideline that they are used to do when they are not required to fulfill their primary function. and that function is to fucking enforce the will of their bosses, to control the people, with violence and deadly force if need be.

they are the state's primary instrument of coercion, no different, in essence, than some mafiosi's enforcers. "do what we say or we'll have the cops fuck you up."

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/4/2011 3:54:56 PM   
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"The estimated arrest rate for the United States in 2010 was 4,257.6 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants. The arrest rate for violent crime (including murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) was 179.2 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the arrest rate for property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson) was 538.5 per 100,000 inhabitants. "

And the FBI uses the UCR program numbers... and the UCR states that those are not people, those are arrests.

For example, the 16 Cops and the five civilians that were arrested.

As far as the 1%, its the number of cops... not the number of charges.

As far as your 4.5% its the number of charges, not the number of people.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/4/2011 8:37:38 PM   
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Tazzy...show me where it says the arrests were not convictions or vice versa...I tried to find where it was explained and could not find it.

Lets say you are right, if you can show me, then it becomes how many of the arrests were multiple in the years and how many single.

Consider this… 3.1% of adult Americans are incarcerated or on parole. This figure has been slowly rising over the last decade. This would show that it is at least stable if not rising. To maintain this figure over time a 3.1% or higher arrest and conviction rate could be needed or the rate would decrease.

If you are correct I am sure some people are arrested more than once in a year but I would guess the vast majority are arrested once and convicted… So I am willing to admit that 3.1% could be closer to the truth.

Unless of course the figures listed as arrest were also convictions… then if would be less likely that one person would be arrested and convicted multiple times in one year.

Either way the rate is higher for the general population then for police officers.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/4/2011 9:01:23 PM   
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Tazzy...show me where it says the arrests were not convictions or vice versa...I tried to find where it was explained and could not find it.


UCR numbers are arrests.

The Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program counts one arrest for each separate instance in which a person is arrested, cited, or summoned for an offense. The Program collects arrest data on 29 offenses, as described in Offense Definitions. Because a person may be arrested multiple times during the year, the UCR arrest figures do not reflect the number of individuals who have been arrested. Rather, the arrest data show the number of times that persons are arrested, as reported by law enforcement agencies to the UCR Program.

There is no need IF I am right... In this, I am.

Consider this… 3.1% of adult Americans are incarcerated or on parole. This figure has been slowly rising over the last decade. This would show that it is at least stable if not rising. To maintain this figure over time a 3.1% or higher arrest and conviction rate could be needed or the rate would decrease.

No, to maintain that, people would have to be in jail or on parole. Ever thought that many are in and out of jail all the time? Petty theft.. a few days. Drunken disorderly.. again a few days.

If you are correct I am sure some people are arrested more than once in a year but I would guess the vast majority are arrested once and convicted… So I am willing to admit that 3.1% could be closer to the truth.

Some are arrested while in jail... new charges. Some never go to jail, Pre-trial probation and such. Some go straight into probation. Some get a great lawyer and never see jail time.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) 2,292,133 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2009 — about 1% of adults in the U.S. resident population.[2][3][7][8] Additionally, 4,933,667 adults at year-end 2009 were on probation or on parole.[2] In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2009 — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population.[1][2][9] In addition, there were 86,927 juveniles in juvenile detention in 2007.[10][11]

When you cite statistics, its always best to include your source. I notice you avoid that, which makes people very suspicious.

You say the number has been slowly rising... thats not what your source claims...

The total number of offenders under correctional
supervision at yearend 2009 represented about 3.1%
of adults in the U.S. resident population, or 1 in
every 32 adults (table 1).
3
This rate has remained
relatively stable since 2000, while the growth in the
correctional population slowed during the first 8
years, and then declined during the last year


http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpus09.pdf

So which is it?


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Unless of course the figures listed as arrest were also convictions… then if would be less likely that one person would be arrested and convicted multiple times in one year.


Why would it be less likely? Think someone cant be arrested, get out on bail, get arrested again, out on bail, ect ect ect?

Or is it the convictions you are trying to play with? If they are convicted of a major crime, they could have been out on bail and committed even more crimes before being convicted of the first.

Now, again, do your sources separate cops from the "general population"? I can answer that for you.... the answer is no. And, recall this.... the 16 cops were arrested on over 100 charges...


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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 1:30:00 PM   
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Tazzy you can say this until you are blue in the face...but link where it says this on the FBI crime statistic site ...You ask me to show my links, I do if asked, now it am politely asking you…It may be there but I could not find it.

Now about the 3.1...you go into great detail to how people are in and out...but you seem to forget people are getting out or off parole roughly at the same rate they are being incarcerated...To maintain the 3.1 a year over time you must roughly match the incarcerated with the arrested…PS…people on parole are still criminal under the statistics I posted like it or not.

Tazzy I only show sources if asked... I am not in the business of providing information readily available to anyone with half a brain... You found the paragraph posted on the first link shown...how hard was that?

Your statement is misleading as well… the percent actually went up in every year but one…remember the statistics you are showing are percent of change from the previous year not overall… All but one year from 2000 to 2009 the percent slowly went up…just as I stated. Only in 2009 did the percent drop from the previous year.

So if you look at it that way 2000 to 2008 the percentage from the previous year went up an average of 3 % And in 2009 only did it drop from the previous year -2.3

Butch

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 2:05:40 PM   
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Tazzy you can say this until you are blue in the face...but link where it says this on the FBI crime statistic site ...You ask me to show my links, I do if asked, now it am politely asking you…It may be there but I could not find it.


Definition
The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program counts one arrest for each separate instance in which a person is arrested, cited, or summoned for an offense. The UCR Program collects arrest data on 29 offenses, as described in Offense Definitions. Because a person may be arrested multiple times during a year, the UCR arrest figures do not reflect the number of individuals who have been arrested. Rather, the arrest data show the number of times that persons are arrested, as reported by law enforcement agencies to the UCR Program.


http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/arrests/index.html

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 2:07:44 PM   
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Now about the 3.1...you go into great detail to how people are in and out...but you seem to forget people are getting out or off parole roughly at the same rate they are being incarcerated


Actually, no they arent, as your own source indicated.

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Your statement is misleading as well… the percent actually went up in every year but one…remember the statistics you are showing are percent of change from the previous year not overall… All but one year from 2000 to 2009 the percent slowly went up…just as I stated. Only in 2009 did the percent drop from the previous year.

So if you look at it that way 2000 to 2008 the percentage from the previous year went up an average of 3 % And in 2009 only did it drop from the previous year -2.3


That wasnt my statement, but your sources. You really shouldnt post information from web sites you are going to later say are wrong.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 2:28:38 PM   
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I am not someone who the cops would know from a hole in the wall, I am not someone who either gets in trouble with the law or who has much to do with cops, for whatever reasons. Speaking for myself, I think those who think cops are a bunch of corrupt fascists out to bust heads either are looking at a time now many years ago in the past (for example, the cops under the first mayor daley in chicago with the police riot in '68, or the Philadelphia cops under rizzo who were so corrrupt the Reagan Justice department, not exactly cop unfriendly, nailed them and forced a major shakeup.

The reasons the cops have the thin blue line is because to many of them, they see that as the difference between staying alive or not (I am not justifying, there is none in that), they really see the world as US versus them. So when a cop goes bad, many of them see it as a duty to cover up for the cop or not say anything, in part because 'he is one of us', in part for the same reason the Catholic Church has spent so much time trying to cover up the priest abuse scandal, for the fear it would hurt their group....(problem with cover ups is, when the shit hits the fan, it is much, much worse PR). And unfortunately the few bad apples do tain the pile, and it is why cops themselves should be rooting out the bad apples, should not cover, the same way the church should be weeding out those who abused kids and worse those who covered up and continue to cover up for kids, show they are serious. IAD does what it can, but they often have to rely on fellow cops telling the truth, which runs into the thin blue line. The PBA is another problem, not unlike other unions, they have the mentality that any member is sancrosanct and they will go out of there way to try and keep a cop on, even after being found guilty of major offenses...when they should be ready to throw the book at them, for making it harder on others.

Cops are also human, and they unfortunately share the biases other people do. Put it this way, even in this day and age, in NYC GLBT people who have been attacked, despite all the laws and so forth, still run into cops when they are victims of crimes look the other way, often won't report the crime. A couple of years ago there was a domestic violence incident involving two lesbian women, when the cops responded they basicallly laughed at it being two women, and walked away...and one of the women later killed the other one with a blunt object..not only did the case not make the papers, the cops involved weren't even reprimanded. When things like this happen, word gets out, and it makes their job harder. Something like this happened at the OWS, some jackass lieutenent was caught pepper spraying some young woman who hadn't done anything, guy did a number on her..at first he claimed she resisted arrest, assaulted him, but there were other witnesses and video that showed him basically doing it for no reason (in all fairness, one of the witnesses was another cop)....based on who the cop was, some gavone from Staten Island in his 50's, I would bet pretty good money he did it because politically he didn't like the protestors. Worse? The cop lost 10 vacation days for what he did, real big penalty, don't you think? (and before someone gives me a hard time for judging the cop for being Italian in background, so am I, and I know the type well..think the jerks you see on Jersey Shore and think of their parents..)

In all fairness to the cops, they also face a difficult situation. For example, even though cops in NYC discharge their weapons less then almost any other major police force,and levels have dropped significantly from past decades, so called "minority leaders' yell about cops excess use of guns, this against the backdrop where in many of these communities innocent people are being gunned down in increasing numbers by their own people, but they scream about the cops.....and yes, in many crime ravenged communities, when shit goes down they won't talk to the cops, they have this 'code of silence', not exactly helped by scumbag celebrities and rappers and the like who reinforce it, and then they complain about how bad it is in their neighborhood, so it isn't exactly one sided. Even now that the police force in NYC is a lot more diverse, lot of black and hispanic cops for example, the wall remains. Plus cops see a lot of things you can't even imagine, having lived in a marginal area for a while, you see things routinely as a cop most people would rather not.

There is valid criticism to be had of the cops, that their leaders especially need to expect the ultimate in professionalism, that there needs to be zero tolerance for corruption or as happened in NYC recently, an openly racist cop who has been bragging about 'taking down N*****', including bragging about busting them when innocent, finally had a downfall when he went to far and IAD investigated and found e-mails where he bragged about his activities, which he called ethnic cleansing....meanwhile, other cops knew about this scum, knew for years, but said nothing, so there is very valid criticism to be had (the PBA should tell this mutant "you are on your own", but I doubt it). As the military learned after Abu Graib, trying to clean up the mess when troops go bad is a lot more difficult then zero tolerance and internal policing, Abu Graib probably directly increased casualties of US troops for the anger it caused.

For those who knee jerk criticize cops or distrust them, in doing so you are making it worse. Most cops are there to do a job and want to do it, and when people distrust them, automatically blame them, or see them as an occupying force, they also should look around at the violence and crime in their communities and put two and two together, that the cops are all they have, that the local crips member or crack dealer or mugger isn't going to give themselves or their kid a break, that if they decide to take an automatic weapon and spray a street cause they think some other mutant dissed him, he will, and if he kills kids and innocent people, well, they are just mushrooms...


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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 2:38:51 PM   
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For those who knee jerk criticize cops or distrust them, in doing so you are making it worse. Most cops are there to do a job and want to do it, and when people distrust them, automatically blame them, or see them as an occupying force, they also should look around at the violence and crime in their communities and put two and two together, that the cops are all they have, that the local crips member or crack dealer or mugger isn't going to give themselves or their kid a break, that if they decide to take an automatic weapon and spray a street cause they think some other mutant dissed him, he will, and if he kills kids and innocent people, well, they are just mushrooms...


I do believe most of us have stated we do not consider all cops bad. But stop making excuses for those who are.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 4:13:27 PM   
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Tazzy what are you talking about... I have been saying the same thing beginning to end... you just screw things up when you don't understand the information you are posting.

I ask you to produce proof of your contentions and you either can't or won't...I'll not ask again but just assume you don't know what you are talking about or you know you made a mistake and will not admit it.

You are beginning to sound like...T......X

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 4:36:18 PM   
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Tazzy you can say this until you are blue in the face...but link where it says this on the FBI crime statistic site ...You ask me to show my links, I do if asked, now it am politely asking you…It may be there but I could not find it.


If that isnt what you meant by "link this on the FBI crime statistics site, what were you talking about... because if that isnt what you were referring too.... you did not make yourself clear.


quote:

Tazzy what are you talking about... I have been saying the same thing beginning to end... you just screw things up when you don't understand the information you are posting.


No, you said 4.5% of the population are criminals. That isnt what that quote I posted is saying.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 4:39:31 PM   
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Here's the bottom line. If 1% of the police are criminals, why the FUCK are they tolerated, much less protected. Get rid of the 1% and they will be much more respectable and respected. Protect the 1% and they are looked upon as no better than some street gangs.

Clean up yer FUCKIN ACT or dont bitch.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 4:46:21 PM   
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You will always have that 1%.

What the public sees is this...

that 1% doing wrong... especially those in the general public who are being charged with the same thing those cops are charged with ....

They see the cops treat their families like scum because the kids are stealing cigarettes, or selling guns... ot doing drugs...

Then they see cops supporting the cops who are doing the same thing wrong that all these "crooks" in the general public have done.

Cops = misunderstood/SOP

General Public = trash/scum/bums/crackheads/ect

For the same damn crimes!

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 6:13:57 PM   
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Cops don't give a fuck about statutes or ordinances they just want to arrest people and swing their sticks, and they want someone to take their heat and do the covering of their asses on legal avoidances, I don't see that as confused.

Truthfully, this day and age with the semi-gestapo antics, training and arrogance of the police force, I really don't see how anyone could have so little fucking ambition or morals in their life that they become a cop.




yeh but where else in the world do you get to wear nazi helmets and have the courts protect you?   This is america land of the free after all.


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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 6:24:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Here's the bottom line. If 1% of the police are criminals, why the FUCK are they tolerated, much less protected. Get rid of the 1% and they will be much more respectable and respected. Protect the 1% and they are looked upon as no better than some street gangs.

Clean up yer FUCKIN ACT or dont bitch.


Fuck that the gubbermint at large is criminal, of course no one ever digs that deep, thats too much like work. 

because of idiots.

you have all those idiots called public that are drunk on koolaid and a press school system and gubafia that creates that culture.

All the american idiots immediately got their flags out and screamed attack that bastard osama forgetting all about that it was the fbi that blew up wtc in 93.

These are not government agencies, the are all private contractors that are hired by gobafia and the gubafia is one huge syndicate raping your ass everywhere it can.

Give them 10 more years and they will have a scope up your ass counting peanuts in your shit to make sure you didnt eat too many.


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I mean come on its an ongoing joke, and look how you all treat people who blow th efucking whistle on 911, murrah, waco, kennedy.

you all bring this shit on yourselves because rather than blame the deMOBcracy you take it out on the people who try and help.  Look at all the tax protestors in jail and do a search for Dom Kens disdain for anyone who protests taxes so you all can just suck it up!

YOu made your beds.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 8:19:19 PM   
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No, you said 4.5% of the population are criminals. That isnt what that quote I posted is saying.


Yes and unless you can link to the FBI site that confirms your explanation of arrests then it stands as fact.

As to the 3.1...read again how I was using it... you get so involved with parts you forget the whole....

quote:

"Tazzy...show me where it says the arrests were not convictions or vice versa...I tried to find where it was explained and could not find it.

Lets say you are right, if you can show me, then it becomes how many of the arrests were multiple in the years and how many single.

Consider this… 3.1% of adult Americans are incarcerated or on parole. This figure has been slowly rising over the last decade. This would show that it is at least stable if not rising. To maintain this figure over time a 3.1% or higher arrest and conviction rate could be needed or the rate would decrease.

If you are correct I am sure some people are arrested more than once in a year but I would guess the vast majority are arrested once and convicted… So I am willing to admit that 3.1% could be closer to the truth. "


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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 8:27:16 PM   
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What part of this...

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The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program counts one arrest for each separate instance in which a person is arrested, cited, or summoned for an offense. The UCR Program collects arrest data on 29 offenses, as described in Offense Definitions. Because a person may be arrested multiple times during a year, the UCR arrest figures do not reflect the number of individuals who have been arrested. Rather, the arrest data show the number of times that persons are arrested, as reported by law enforcement agencies to the UCR Program.


Arent you understanding?

1) The UCR is the agency that keeps track for the FBI. So, there is the link to the FBI.

2) counts one arrest for each separate instance in which a person is arrested, cited, or summoned for an offense. --- meaning each arrest for those 16 cops... over 100.. is counted individually. So, the count is now 100.

3) Because a person may be arrested multiple times during a year, the UCR arrest figures do not reflect the number of individuals who have been arrested. --- Im sure you can follow the simple terminology.

4) Rather, the arrest data show the number of times that persons are arrested, as reported by law enforcement agencies to the UCR Program.

This is where you are screwing up. It doesnt show the number of people arrested. Each arrest counts as a single incident... even if 1 person is arrested with 100 counts.... they count it as 100.

I really dont know how to make it any simpler than that for you. Each arrest, citation, summons are counted... not the number of people.

4.5% reflects the number of each separate arrest, citation and summons per 100,000 people... not the number of people arrested.

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RE: Oakland Police "We too are the 99%" - 11/5/2011 8:29:25 PM   
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Here's the bottom line. If 1% of the police are criminals, why the FUCK are they tolerated, much less protected.


This is the point...they are NOT tolerated...that is the reason for internal affairs and voluntary outside investigations of smaller police forces.

What is ironic is you and tazzy have been portraying them as criminals and corrupt when in fact by her own figures they are more law abiding then the occupiers. You both at times come off looking hypocritical... You say… well they have the trust of the citizenry and should for some reason be held to a higher standard... That is crap… they are humans just like you and her only more law abiding on average then those criticizing them.

You folks have to stop being blinded by your exuberance... Step back …stop being led by the hyperbole of fanatics…consider the truth

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