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tazzygirl -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 4:58:06 PM)

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I stand by the wording I used because I think they are acting with contempt.


So a "cunt" is someone who acts with contempt?

I would think someone if your intelligence could use a far better word.




thompsonx -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:00:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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I can't stand them either. Near where I am in another part of the world they are acting like cunts

"Cunts"?????

I stand by the wording I used because I think they are acting with contempt.

Here all my life thought cunt a a pejoritive for a woman. Are you saying that women are contemptable?

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by preventing the well known Eyre Square Christmas market of the city of Galway from taking place which brings in a lot of very much needed money to the local economy by attracting hundreds of thousands of shoppers. Why do they refuse to move? Apparently because "private interests" will gain from the market. No concern then for the large number of jobs that struggling retailers provide which the market would help preserve...

We have to ask ourselves why it is that suddenly the interest of the small bussinessman is alligned with wall street and bond street? The word disingenuous comes to mind.

I don't quite get your point why small and medium sized businesses should be implicated but the point is that retailers who have taken a devastating hit for the last few years are just surviving by a thread and could very easily go under with a poor yield at Christmas. It would result in very real hardship for many that loose their jobs in what is mainly a retail district anyway.

My point was and is that your concern for the little guy strikes me as disengenuous. Your point is that by trying to protest against the big guy the little guy gets hurt so lets not protest against the big guy. The little guy is getting hurt and you want it to continue. That sort of rhetoric may work with children and the uneducated. Not everyone is a child or uneducated.





Anaxagoras -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:06:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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I stand by the wording I used because I think they are acting with contempt.

So a "cunt" is someone who acts with contempt?

I would think someone if your intelligence could use a far better word.

It wasn't intended as an exact definition but I feel its apt enough...




tazzygirl -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:09:05 PM)

Yet you dont care that others here make take offence.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:12:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
I can't stand them either. Near where I am in another part of the world they are acting like cunts

"Cunts"?????

I stand by the wording I used because I think they are acting with contempt.

Here all my life thought cunt a a pejoritive for a woman. Are you saying that women are contemptable?

Not in the slightest. The word can just as easily apply to men when used abusively. Perhaps the way yanks use the word is different though...

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by preventing the well known Eyre Square Christmas market of the city of Galway from taking place which brings in a lot of very much needed money to the local economy by attracting hundreds of thousands of shoppers. Why do they refuse to move? Apparently because "private interests" will gain from the market. No concern then for the large number of jobs that struggling retailers provide which the market would help preserve...

We have to ask ourselves why it is that suddenly the interest of the small bussinessman is alligned with wall street and bond street? The word disingenuous comes to mind.

I don't quite get your point why small and medium sized businesses should be implicated but the point is that retailers who have taken a devastating hit for the last few years are just surviving by a thread and could very easily go under with a poor yield at Christmas. It would result in very real hardship for many that loose their jobs in what is mainly a retail district anyway.

My point was and is that your concern for the little guy strikes me as disengenuous. Your point is that by trying to protest against the big guy the little guy gets hurt so lets not protest against the big guy. The little guy is getting hurt and you want it to continue. That sort of rhetoric may work with children and the uneducated. Not everyone is a child or uneducated.

Why would my concern be disingenuous? I'm not saying there shouldn't be a protest against the big guy but it should be done appropriately especially by those that profess to care about the little guy don't you think? I actually advocate greater fiscal control to avoid the kind of financial recklessness that got the world into the mess that its in but I personally feel the priority has to be to solve the present problems urgently before getting into protracted blame games so I'm not particularly pro-OWS. So many people act as if the mess is someone else's problem when collectively it is a problem for us all whether we like it or not.




Politesub53 -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:16:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yet you dont care that others here make take offence.


To be fair, Anax was using the word in a context that would be understood here, and not as a slur on women.




tazzygirl -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:17:16 PM)

I wasnt referring to it being a slur on women.




thompsonx -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:21:04 PM)

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Not in the slightest. The word can just as easily apply to men when used abusively. Perhaps the way yanks use the word is different though...


When a "yank" calls a man a cut he means that that man is a woman of the lowest sort. So It would appear that there is not much difference between the brit and the yank use of the word.




Politesub53 -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:24:28 PM)


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Not in the slightest. The word can just as easily apply to men when used abusively. Perhaps the way yanks use the word is different though...


When a "yank" calls a man a cut he means that that man is a woman of the lowest sort. So It would appear that there is not much difference between the brit and the yank use of the word.



There is a vast difference, as Anax explained. The word "prick" is used in much the same context over here.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:26:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Yet you dont care that others here make take offence.

I knew it might annoy a few pro-OWS peops but I didn't think it would cause great offence as it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. I remember when some people were using the word as an actual slur against a woman who I didn't particularly like either but which I objected to on principle.




thompsonx -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:26:36 PM)

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Why would my concern be disingenuous? I'm not saying there shouldn't be a protest against the big guy but it should be done appropriately especially by those that profess to care about the little guy don't you think?

Where would you sugest it be done?

I actually advocate greater fiscal control to avoid the kind of financial recklessness that got the world into the mess that its in but the priority has to be to solve the present problems before getting into protracted blame games.

How would you do that?

So many people act as if the mess is someone else's problem when collectively it is a problem for us all whether we like it or not.

It does not seem to be much of a problem for the 1%. They eat regularly,sleep in a warm bed,and have plenty.




tazzygirl -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:31:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Yet you dont care that others here make take offence.

I knew it might annoy a few pro-OWS peops but I didn't think it would cause great offence as it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. I remember when some people were using the word as an actual slur against a woman who I didn't particularly like either but which I objected to on principle.



I can only speak for myself. It isnt used in this case against women...so we can leave that out.

I just find the word offensive in any context. In an angry moment, maybe it can be excused. Again, just my own opinion, it, and words like it, have no place in an intellectual exchange.




Politesub53 -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:32:54 PM)

Fair point Tazzy




Anaxagoras -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:35:03 PM)

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Not in the slightest. The word can just as easily apply to men when used abusively. Perhaps the way yanks use the word is different though...

When a "yank" calls a man a cut he means that that man is a woman of the lowest sort. So It would appear that there is not much difference between the brit and the yank use of the word.

As Politesub said its use is not gender related in this context.


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Why would my concern be disingenuous? I'm not saying there shouldn't be a protest against the big guy but it should be done appropriately especially by those that profess to care about the little guy don't you think?

Where would you sugest it be done?

Well thats not for me to say where it should be held as I'm not pro-OWS but at the very least it should be done in an area which is not so commercially sensitive to the little guy.

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I actually advocate greater fiscal control to avoid the kind of financial recklessness that got the world into the mess that its in but the priority has to be to solve the present problems before getting into protracted blame games.

How would you do that?

Greatly liberalise the use of the death penalty! [:D]

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So many people act as if the mess is someone else's problem when collectively it is a problem for us all whether we like it or not.

It does not seem to be much of a problem for the 1%. They eat regularly,sleep in a warm bed,and have plenty.

I have no problem with wealth taxes as long as they are not so punative that they cause a mass exodus. Even if they were applied though they would not remotely solve problems on this scale.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:41:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Yet you dont care that others here make take offence.

I knew it might annoy a few pro-OWS peops but I didn't think it would cause great offence as it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. I remember when some people were using the word as an actual slur against a woman who I didn't particularly like either but which I objected to on principle.

I can only speak for myself. It isnt used in this case against women...so we can leave that out.

I just find the word offensive in any context. In an angry moment, maybe it can be excused. Again, just my own opinion, it, and words like it, have no place in an intellectual exchange.

Well I have to admit being pretty pissed at malcontents doing this in the particular case I mentioned. I have plenty of relatives there and most are struggling. The retail sector has taken a far worse hit then even in the US so to seriously hamper sales at Christmas could be a death blow for numerous small businesses, and affect many families as a result.




thompsonx -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:42:14 PM)

You have no solutions to contribute but you don't like ows and just want the ows to go away.
The tsar felt the same in 1917...we all know how that turned out.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 5:49:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
You have no solutions to contribute but you don't like ows and just want the ows to go away.
The tsar felt the same in 1917...we all know how that turned out.


I subscribe to some solutions which I referred to on the forum before but it involves taking pain now as stoically as possible. It is the future that matters. The left has nothing to do with solutions, its just the "I told you so" blame game. Honestly I don't care that much about the OWS as I expect a severe backlash against the movement but only time will tell.




tazzygirl -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 6:02:00 PM)

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Well I have to admit being pretty pissed at malcontents doing this in the particular case I mentioned. I have plenty of relatives there and most are struggling. The retail sector has taken a far worse hit then even in the US so to seriously hamper sales at Christmas could be a death blow for numerous small businesses, and affect many families as a result.


So your anger is because its affecting family. Understandable. But, as previously shown, not all small businesses are suffering. And as in the case of the barricades, its not always the fault of Occupiers.




tazzygirl -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 6:03:03 PM)

Question for you.

Do you understand what they mean by "income inequality"?




Anaxagoras -> RE: Who is reasonable (11/6/2011 6:09:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
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Well I have to admit being pretty pissed at malcontents doing this in the particular case I mentioned. I have plenty of relatives there and most are struggling. The retail sector has taken a far worse hit then even in the US so to seriously hamper sales at Christmas could be a death blow for numerous small businesses, and affect many families as a result.

So your anger is because its affecting family. Understandable. But, as previously shown, not all small businesses are suffering. And as in the case of the barricades, its not always the fault of Occupiers.

Sort of but its not really affecting relatives personally. It was more a point about the general impact it would have in this instance. From my perspective I think if the OWS people are to be taken seriously as constituting a genuinely ethical movement then they should take responsibility for the harm their presence can do even if it is at times unintentional.




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