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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 10:39:41 AM   
littlesubjess


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Status: offline 		I'm all confused now .... my last Dom used to tell me that i was a lot more mouthy than the "average" sub ... so perhaps the problem is mine rather than my Owners. 

However, i am grateful for all the advice i have been given, although i certainly am not "proud" of my behaviour ... and it certainly was not an "excuse to let others know how "wild" i am" ... or whatever it was that wytchy wrote ... but thanks A/all ... it is certainly food for thought.

jess xxx

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 10:50:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlesubjess

I'm all confused now .... my last Dom used to tell me that i was a lot more mouthy than the "average" sub ... so perhaps the problem is mine rather than my Owners. 

However, i am grateful for all the advice i have been given, although i certainly am not "proud" of my behaviour ... and it certainly was not an "excuse to let others know how "wild" i am" ... or whatever it was that wytchy wrote ... but thanks A/all ... it is certainly food for thought.

jess xxx


And just why the "mouthiness"?  Is it that you have a problem with expressing your thoughts in anything other than a rude manner?  Is it that there is a part of you that wants to be the "bratty" submissive?  Or is there a part of you that feels like you have to push someone to show you "more" power than you show?  Or is it...as I asked earlier...that full on submission isn't for you?

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 11:10:09 AM   
littlesubjess


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Status: offline 		probably the latter, if all the advice i have been given is taken into consideration

jess xxx

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 11:13:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlesubjess

I'm all confused now .... my last Dom used to tell me that i was a lot more mouthy than the "average" sub ... so perhaps the problem is mine rather than my Owners. 

However, i am grateful for all the advice i have been given, although i certainly am not "proud" of my behaviour ... and it certainly was not an "excuse to let others know how "wild" i am" ... or whatever it was that wytchy wrote ... but thanks A/all ... it is certainly food for thought.

jess xxx


Hello jess,

I've been wondering what form your *mouthiness* takes......You don't come across on this forum as that way.....what exactly IS mouthiness, in your own description?

In the UK, it tends to mean  this , for example ....**Would you clear the table jess?**......Reply ** No, why should I?** ....type of behaviour.
I know some terms differ in the US....but being *mouthy* tends to be a quite extreme kind of rudeness.

Regards, agirl


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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 11:49:24 AM   
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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 12:19:11 PM   
littlesubjess


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[/quote]

Hello jess,

I've been wondering what form your *mouthiness* takes......You don't come across on this forum as that way.....what exactly IS mouthiness, in your own description?

In the UK, it tends to mean  this , for example ....**Would you clear the table jess?**......Reply ** No, why should I?** ....type of behaviour.
I know some terms differ in the US....but being *mouthy* tends to be a quite extreme kind of rudeness.

Regards, agirl

[/quote]

well, not like that exactly ....more like backchat, smart remarks, wit, humour, sarcasm, answer for everything, sort of behaviour.

but certainly not disrespect, or downright rudeness. often when i say something to my Owners, They interpret it differently to how i intended, then i get punished for it. BUT i ahve lost 2 jobs because of a similiar situation so perhaps it IS me in the wrong.

jess xxx




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Anything is possible if you try hard enough ...... xxx

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 12:39:28 PM   
agirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesubjess




Hello jess,

I've been wondering what form your *mouthiness* takes......You don't come across on this forum as that way.....what exactly IS mouthiness, in your own description?

In the UK, it tends to mean  this , for example ....**Would you clear the table jess?**......Reply ** No, why should I?** ....type of behaviour.
I know some terms differ in the US....but being *mouthy* tends to be a quite extreme kind of rudeness.

Regards, agirl



well, not like that exactly ....more like backchat, smart remarks, wit, humour, sarcasm, answer for everything, sort of behaviour.

but certainly not disrespect, or downright rudeness. often when i say something to my Owners, They interpret it differently to how i intended, then i get punished for it. BUT i ahve lost 2 jobs because of a similiar situation so perhaps it IS me in the wrong.

jess xxx



 From what you've described, it seems more like being a bit inappropriate, if you've also lost jobs too through it.

Being witty , sarcastic, smart , back chatting etc ..... are not *bad* things at all........ but in certain circumstances they just aren't appropriate. Without being insulting to you .....it's something children have to learn early on.

Regards, agirl



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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 1:56:37 PM   
cinderella221972


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Status: offline 		This reads so much like what Master said here when i read him the original message in this thread. 

i can only imagine how much more precious the submission of an intelligent submissive is than that of a doormat.

All my training has centered around making sure anyone i agree to submit to is well matched with my personality; and also, to understand that the "brat" or "sam" is just as precious to the Dom/me who takes him/her as the quiet one is to his/her Dom/me. 

May all out there find the O/one that allows them to have the special relationship experiences i've had.

respectfully, cinderella


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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 5:00:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesubjess



BUT i ahve lost 2 jobs because of a similiar situation so perhaps it IS me in the wrong.


Wow. We finally get the truth here. You can't even hold a job because your mouthiness gets in the way?  I am honestly not trying to be rude or brutal, but if you cannot even hold a job because of your  behavior, may I once again ask a question?

Fine. I'll ask it without waiting for your permission since this a message board and you may be long gone by now. My question is this:

"If you can't even hold a job without getting fired because you cannot control your mouth, whatever in this world made you think you are a submissive in any sense of the word?"

Just a thought for you. I can't even imagine how you came to a conclusion that you are remotely submissive by now. Not to say that anyone who has a job has to buckle under while on the job, but you just stated that you got fired for not learning any discretion at all in an every day work a world setting.

Not generally a good sign that you have any respect for any kind of authority. Honestly, I wish you the best. I have a sneaking suspicion that you aren't going to get what you claim you want when you don't have the capacity to curtail your behavior even long enough to put in eight hours a day on a job though.



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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 5:09:50 PM   
CreativeDominant


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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesubjess


Hello jess,

I've been wondering what form your *mouthiness* takes......You don't come across on this forum as that way.....what exactly IS mouthiness, in your own description?

In the UK, it tends to mean  this , for example ....**Would you clear the table jess?**......Reply ** No, why should I?** ....type of behaviour.
I know some terms differ in the US....but being *mouthy* tends to be a quite extreme kind of rudeness.

Regards, agirl



well, not like that exactly ....more like backchat, smart remarks, wit, humour, sarcasm, answer for everything, sort of behaviour.

but certainly not disrespect, or downright rudeness. often when i say something to my Owners, They interpret it differently to how i intended, then i get punished for it. BUT i have lost 2 jobs because of a similiar situation so perhaps it IS me in the wrong.

jess xxx

I asked it of you before whether or not there were other dominants who thought you were too "mouthy" and you said that your previous dominant did.  You don't equate your mouthiness to disrespect or rudeness but rather to "backchat, sarcasm, wit, humor, answer for everything, etc"...but it has cost you two jobs???

I could be wrong but that equates...in my mind, at least...to the problem lying, at least somewhat in how you define rudeness and disrespect.

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 5:28:29 PM   
swtnsparkling


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Status: offline 		If  your Desire is strong enough  to be the best sub you can possibly be and make your owners proud of you, then you change your behaviour and speak and obey  them with the respect they desreve. If you can't do that then either your just not ready or do not truly desire to submit

There is a way of expressing yourself, being strong, intellegent and have opinions with out being loud , mouthy and rude


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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 7:13:23 PM   
candystripper


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Status: offline 		Well, personally i think maybe W/we've A/all been "had" by a drama queen....who is probably a 49 year old man guzzling beer while he wanks to O/our flurry of posts to help the poor little submissisve (read: "Perils of Pauline").
 
But hey, that's JMHO, and i could be wrong.
 
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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 7:28:20 PM   
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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 7:39:43 PM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		a) I would be surprised if that is the picture of a 20 yr old...LOOK at it!
b) I'd be even more surprised if that is the picture of the OP
c) How odd this 'boy' has managed 3 pages of responses...

<shakes head>  

Wow...I agree w/the candystripper.    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 7:47:34 PM   
candystripper


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Status: offline 		Ya, i know.  i rush to the rescue too...and on the 'net that's a baaaaaad habit.  Not so great in real life either.  i'm sitting here kinda kicking myself in the a**.
 
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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 8:22:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

You can probably change yourself over time, but if you want more immediate results, concentrate of being a bit more careful with what you say, and how you say it.

You're not going to become less opinionated any time soon, but you can become someone that keeps their opinions to themselves, and you can do that right away.


God is this the eternal question, to engage or fly low, to speak out or shut up ---- one thing's true --- once you open your mouth, once you engage, you cannot take anything back.

Not quite totally related, in fact maybe unrelated, but there was a great line by Barb in BIG LOVE where she says,

"I can't always tell the difference between good lies and bad lies."

I suppose this is similar because it is about not really knowing what to do or say, but, having to say or do something. Sometimes the truth is bad and harmful and sometimes lies are. Knowing the "when's" and the "what times" and "shoulds" is no easy game to play when one feels pinned in an uncomfortable, unpleasant corner.

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 8:35:47 PM   
HoosierScorpio


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Status: offline 		I would suggest a ball gag when you do get this way as a form of punishment. There is nothing wrong with an intelligent sub but you must remember the way you carry yourself will reflect badly for him as your Master or Dom in a public setting. I would suggest to set up a contract between you to so you know were your boundaries are and how far can you go with the smart mouth. Remember always show respect for if you do not then you will ruin your guy’s relationship. I would suggest some different punishments for you to have your curtail this kind of attitude. Would you allot this kind of behavior from a child when they get like that toward you?

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 8:42:38 PM   
littlesarbonn


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Status: offline 		If it's any consolation, I somewhat suffer from the same problem. It's not an argumentative problem but one of humor. I make jokes faster than I can think about stopping it. My humor is never insulting in any way, but there are times when I have lost control of being able to stop. One of my previous mistresses was not beyond gagging me from time to time, although it was never out of anger but just a realization that I was on a roll, and she had to remind me who was actually in charge.

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/26/2006 10:16:45 PM   
Reflectivesoul


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Status: offline 		wow.... and I get told about being brutal and wrong... whew I think I need a good chin rest after reading through all of this.... ( to keep my chin off the floor of course) OUCH y'all dayum lol
 
 

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RE: How Do I Learn To Keep My Mouth SHUT ? - 5/27/2006 1:41:08 AM   
littlesubjess


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bearlee

a) I would be surprised if that is the picture of a 20 yr old...LOOK at it!
b) I'd be even more surprised if that is the picture of the OP
c) How odd this 'boy' has managed 3 pages of responses...

<shakes head>  

Wow...I agree w/the candystripper.    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



oh thank you so much ... now i feel even more confident ...

if any of you out there seriously do doubt i am fem, the email me, i will give you my msn/yahoo addys where you can see my cam, and if that still is not good enough, i will give you my number for you to speak to me directly.

i can confirm that those pictures ARE of me ... and i truly am 20. my DOB is 27/08/85 ... i will be 21 in summer.

believe me, if anyone suffers from men pretending to be women, it is i, and i know how many timewasters are on here.

To Candystripper ,
what a mistake, writing about my loss of work on here... yes its true i have lost 2 jobs, but it was a couple of years ago, when i was younger and more tempramental. In my current job, i am working towards promotion, consistently hit targets and am "top seller" in my branch. i certainly am in no danger of losing my job. i do understand though, that i was not clear.

jess xxx

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Anything is possible if you try hard enough ...... xxx

Only the one who hurts you can make you feel better. Only the one who inflicts the pain can take it away.

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