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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 7:55:34 AM

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If I'm not mistaken, McQuery is a guy that was often mentioned as someone to replace Paterno as head coach when he did finally retire. Another reason to do nothing ??

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 8:51:27 AM

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I would say yes.

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 8:53:10 AM

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When he reported this, he was a grad assistant. I don't think they had tapped him to succeed Paterno at that stage of the game.
He still should have busted in there, kicked some ass and called 911.

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 11:07:57 AM

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From a CNN story about the matter:

"He said that Mike McQueary, the former graduate assistant who reported the incident and is now a coach on the team, will be with the team on Saturday. McQueary has been criticized for not calling police but he has not faced any legal charges."

The guy who witnessed it and did nothing to stop it and did not call the police is still with the team. Paterno should have done more and so should have McQueary. Still with the team? I don't think so. This is one of those situations where they needed a scapegoat and Paterno was it. If they were serious about dealing with all involved then McQueary is gone, too. They aren't. They have been wanting rid of Paterno for some time but they had to wait until he was ready to go. It would have been political suicide to push him out before this. They finally got their opening and took it.

How can anyone justify McQueary still being a part of Penn State after this? I cannot.

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 11:14:37 AM

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I would have his head on a catshit platter........but that's just me.

Let's just say, if I was a parent of one of those kids, especially the one he saw, he had better hope to god he never meets me face to face. Screw legalities, he could have saved some kids a lot of agony and long term problems.

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 1:31:01 PM

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Lets just say when McQueary takes the field, dont be surprised if there isnt a riot. He shouldnt be on the field if Paterno cant be

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 2:26:48 PM

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I thought it stopped at the school. Unfortunately, it did not. Seems a DA was informed in 1998, but nothing came of the investigation

Look a little harder into that tazz....that DA has gone missing...his car was found,no wallet ,no laptop ....years later the laptop was found,but the hard drive was destroyed.Further investigation revealed that some search phrases found on his home computer were of the "destroying a hard drive " variety .
Is this connected in any way to this case,or just fodder for conspiracy theorists....who knows

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 2:34:38 PM

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Anyone who under questioning is shown to have had any knowledge of these disgusting activities needs to go....simple,final and clean.Unlike the future faced by the children who were the victims of these crimes.
What does muddy the waters a little bit is that both McQueary( as to what he saw) and Paterno( as t what he was told by McQueary) testified in front of a grand jury in 2002.... Why wasn't an indictment returned back than ?

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 2:38:00 PM

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Just goes to show how far reaching the power of Penn State is...

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 2:45:02 PM

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this is just bizarre... all for football? seriously?

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 2:48:08 PM

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this is just bizarre... all for football? seriously?

All for the $50-100 million a year the program brings in.

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 3:23:55 PM

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All for the $50-100 million a year the program brings in.

"Glittering prizes and endless compromises challenge the illusion of integrity."

good point...

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 4:06:02 PM

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First let me say the crimes against the young boys are deeply saddening to me. Second, I am not a Penn State fan. Third, I have watched Joe Paterno conduct himself as few men have the character to for decades now. Fourth, until I know more, and I won't till I am in eternity and can view all of the film, I am standing by him.

It is shameful the way they have offered up the man who has done more for Penn State than anyone else alive. It is not that people didn't know, (this was investigated years ago) it is just that it suddenly got to be too big a story. They basically took him out and had him shot the way you put down a dog. The trustees are despicable. And as far as I am concerned, if they are going to fire the president of the university, and Joe Paterno, they really shouldn't stop there. They need to fire themselves as well. Here is betting they don't do that.

I am sure Frederick Douglas is still mad at Abraham Lincoln, as he was while he was living, that Lincoln didn't do more to free the slaves sooner. Come on people, you can only ask so much of anyone.

That said, I agree the guy who saw it happening should have kicked some immediate ass. Then again, those are halls of power people. Halls that reduce grown men to simpering little boys quick. If you haven't walked such halls you don't know. And I think we should be careful as it is far too easy for us to play arm chair quarterback.

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 5:22:07 PM

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That said, I agree the guy who saw it happening should have kicked some immediate ass. Then again, those are halls of power people. Halls that reduce grown men to simpering little boys quick. If you haven't walked such halls you don't know. And I think we should be careful as it is far too easy for us to play arm chair quarterback.

Thats no excuse... no fucking excuse at all. How dare you try and defend what happened in any way shape or form. To be honest, Paterno is a far better person than you because HE admitted he could have done more.

Dont talk to me about halls and armchair quarterbacks. How dare you insinuate that anyone should just stop short of reporting a felony... a crime against a child... and then insist that he did what he could.

He didnt.

He was JoePa.

One call and it would have been taken care of.

One fucking call.

The ONLY victims here are those kids.

The rest? Enablers.... no other term fits. They enabled this man to continue his assaults against those boys.

You are a trip!

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 5:23:52 PM

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I thought it stopped at the school. Unfortunately, it did not. Seems a DA was informed in 1998, but nothing came of the investigation

Look a little harder into that tazz....that DA has gone missing...his car was found,no wallet ,no laptop ....years later the laptop was found,but the hard drive was destroyed.Further investigation revealed that some search phrases found on his home computer were of the "destroying a hard drive " variety .
Is this connected in any way to this case,or just fodder for conspiracy theorists....who knows

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 5:33:36 PM

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It seems to me that if Joe Paterno is the man you are saying he is Sashareign, then he should have realized that the state law applied to him and the onus was on his shoulders to carry out the law as it is written. Saying that others are responsible in this situation as well, doesn't absolve the fact that Paterno passed the buck. Also, saying that Paterno has done so much for the college does not absolve him of wrong doing because in other instances he did good things.

I'm sure there are other people who had a role in this who will hopefully come to light, but it does seem like Paterno let those molested kids down. It seems like football was more of his focus then they were. I of course am not an authority, but that 's how it looks with what evidence I"ve seen so far. When I read Kana's post, for me the argument was closed, Paterno broke the law. He was the first in that chain to do so - just because the others did too does not mean that he should be given a pass.

From Kana's post...

"The laws in Pennsylvania regarding mandatory reporting of suspected child abuse can be found in 23 Pa. C.S. 6111-6119. Section 6111 has to do with the responsibility of mandated reporters to report suspected child abuse. Subsection c is quite important, as it has to do with the responsibilities of staff members of institutions. It reads thus: (c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person
   is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a
   member of the staff of a medical or other public or private
   institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall
   immediately notify the person in charge of the institution,
   school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person
   in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the
   designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and
   have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made
   in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require
   more than one report from any such institution, school, facility
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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 6:16:23 PM

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Now, instead of the "Nittny Lions" it'll be the Diddling Lions.

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 6:21:44 PM

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Not funny pops not funny at all.This is simply my opinion pops,and one I thought a man of your age would have realized by now....some subjects just do not lend themselves to humor,abuse,particularly sexual abuse,of a minor is at the top of that list.
Reall bad taste ...real bad .

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 6:43:05 PM

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I hate to say it but there's this atmosphere in that area of PA that what happened to those boys is usually written off as "horsing around" and not taken seriously. And I have a feeling that's exactly how Joe Paterno saw it...some "boys" horsin around in the shower, no big deal. <shakes head>. It's just one of the many many reasons I left that area and never looked back.

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RE: Penn State - 11/10/2011 7:01:59 PM

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Sandusky is 65 now... hardly two "boys"

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