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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:01:47 PM

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Clinto had a pesky stain on a blue dress that came to light.

Well so did Larry Craig, but that is not what is at issue here.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:07:51 PM

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Clinton was a sexual predator with credible accusations going back to his ignominious dismissal from Oxford...

Got a citation for that?
Every other account of Clinton leaving Oxford without completing his degree mentions him buggering off to Yale instead, rather than fleeing the country to avoid rape charges.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:18:20 PM

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Moon... look who you are talking too... and you expect a source?

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:24:20 PM

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Good point, well made.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:44:58 PM

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Still to the best of my knowledge, a polygraph test of any kind is not admissiable in a court of law.

Ummmmm Psssst ... Public opinion follows a more lax standard.

And It's P.I.s that I won't wipe my ass with I once read that most P.I.s under the age of 60 are cops who've been excused for one issue of another. In Massachusetts since you HAVE TO have been a cop or get 'special permission', it's almost guaranteed you're hiring someone dishonest.

What I think would be more important would be the question
"Can a pathological liar or otherwise mentally ill person beat voice stress analysis"

My bet is because crazies and pathos don't generally sense they are lying, it might be possible they MIGHT beat it... But I don't know enough to say for sure.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:47:39 PM

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Well so did Larry Craig, but that is not what is at issue here.

One time Larry came out of a diner and sauntered over to his mechanic's garage and was greeted with the bad news "It looks like you blew a seal".... Larry quickly pulled out his handkerchief and wiped his mouth saying "No, I had ice cream for desert"

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:49:01 PM

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And YOU are aware of two of Cain's accusers ties to Democrats in Obama's adminstration.

Yeah, and they're pretty fucking insignificant... sorta like your posts

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:51:09 PM

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Obama wasn't even on the radar when Herman Cain's behavior was causing the NRA to payout multiple cash settlements....

You haven't heard about Obama's gradeschool plot to ruin Cain cause he got free pizza?

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 1:52:49 PM

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Worse than Bill Clinton.

LMAO. You get funnier every day.

You don't think Bill Clinton is a creep?

Clinton was a sexual predator with credible accusations going back to his ignominious dismissal from Oxford and subsequent sexual assault at Yale. So far there has been nothing, zero, nada, credible in the accusations against Cain.

Bullshit.

There was never more than innuendo and baseless claims against Clinton about anything unwanted. With Cain we have 2 women paid off by the NRA after making their complaints, one received a full years salary.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 2:05:56 PM

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Worse than Bill Clinton.

LMAO. You get funnier every day.

You don't think Bill Clinton is a creep?

Clinton was a sexual predator with credible accusations going back to his ignominious dismissal from Oxford and subsequent sexual assault at Yale. So far there has been nothing, zero, nada, credible in the accusations against Cain.

Bullshit.

There was never more than innuendo and baseless claims against Clinton about anything unwanted. With Cain we have 2 women paid off by the NRA after making their complaints, one received a full years salary.

Hiding behind confidentiality agreements for settlements that cost less than fighting them, followed up by two serial liars. Nothing credible yet.

Clinton? Stop it. If the litany of credible claims and actions against and by Clinton are baseless then your intellect is on a level with the View girls. Ive always thought you were smart, albeit a liar. Maybe I was wrong about the smart too.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 5:30:59 PM

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so why didnt they fight them
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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 5:47:40 PM

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I'm no lawyer, but it would seem to me that since Cain has been talking about the two incidents involving the confidentiality agreement, he has broken the agreement and the women should be free to talk if they want to. Who knows, maybe we will hear something from one of them in the not-to-distant future.

As for no credible claim. I am not saying any of these women are lying (because I happen to think they are telling the truth), but I look at the claim made by the male conservative radio talk show concerning Cain's behavior toward two of the show's female employees. That speaks a volumes.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 6:20:41 PM

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Cain didnt sign an agreement.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/10/2011 6:33:51 PM

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I'm no lawyer, but it would seem to me that since Cain has been talking about the two incidents involving the confidentiality agreement, he has broken the agreement and the women should be free to talk if they want to. Who knows, maybe we will hear something from one of them in the not-to-distant future.

My understanding is that Cain wasnt a party to the confidentiality agreements. They were between the association and the women.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/11/2011 2:51:28 AM

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Worse than Bill Clinton.

LMAO. You get funnier every day.

You don't think Bill Clinton is a creep?

Clinton was a sexual predator with credible accusations going back to his ignominious dismissal from Oxford and subsequent sexual assault at Yale. So far there has been nothing, zero, nada, credible in the accusations against Cain.

Bullshit.

There was never more than innuendo and baseless claims against Clinton about anything unwanted. With Cain we have 2 women paid off by the NRA after making their complaints, one received a full years salary.

Hiding behind confidentiality agreements for settlements that cost less than fighting them, followed up by two serial liars. Nothing credible yet.

Clinton? Stop it. If the litany of credible claims and actions against and by Clinton are baseless then your intellect is on a level with the View girls. Ive always thought you were smart, albeit a liar. Maybe I was wrong about the smart too.

Then you'll have no trouble presenting at least one case where there is substantial evidence that Clinton made an unwanted advance.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/11/2011 3:54:22 AM

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Apparently, Cain and Bialek have already been tested by the most modern of lie detector devices. According to a CBS newstory:

Investigator: Herman Cain innocent of sexual advances

Private investigator TJ Ward said presidential hopeful Herman Cain was not lying at a news conference on Tuesday in Phoenix.

Cain denied making any sexual actions towards Sharon Bialek and vowed to take a polygraph test if necessary to prove his innocence.

Cain has not taken a polygraph but Ward said he does have software that does something better.

Ward said the $15,000 software can detect lies in people's voices.

CBS Atlanta's Mike Paluska played Cain's speech for Ward into the software and watched as it analyzed Cain's every word.

If he is hiding something this thing would have spiked way down here," said Ward. "He is being truthful, totally truthful. He is a man with integrity and he talked directly about not knowing any incident he is accused of."

The software analyzes the stress level and other factors in your voice. During the speech, when Cain denied the claims, the lie detector read "low risk." According to Ward, that means Cain is telling the truth.

During the section of Bialek's news conference where she says, "He suddenly reached over put his hand on my leg under my skirt and reached for my genitals he also grabbed my head brought it towards his crotch."

During the analysis of that section the software said "high risk statement." Ward said that means she is not telling the truth about what happened.

"I don't think she is fabricating her meetings," said Ward. But, she is fabricating what transpired."

Ward said nearly 70 law enforcement agencies nationwide use the voice software, including the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office.

Ward said the technology is a scientific measure that law enforcement use as a tool to tell when someone is lying and that it has a 95 percent success rate.

Since this part of the accusations is all "he said/she said", I'm not sure that any greater "definitive proof" will be available.

Anyone familiar with this software?

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No, but I'm familiar with the fact that four different women have accused him.

But I'm sure you're right Firm.

He is perfectly innocent and this is just a grand conspiracy to bring him down.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/11/2011 4:12:10 AM

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Clinto had a pesky stain on a blue dress that came to light.

She will just claim that it was consensual, conveniently ignoring the feminist tenet that it is never consensual when the man holds a position of power. Dont bother servant, her "independent" thought and hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds Willbeur.

There are FOUR women making claims of sexual harassment from Cain.

Yet we have this thread pretending that all FOUR of these women are lying.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/11/2011 4:21:56 AM

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I'm no lawyer, but it would seem to me that since Cain has been talking about the two incidents involving the confidentiality agreement, he has broken the agreement and the women should be free to talk if they want to. Who knows, maybe we will hear something from one of them in the not-to-distant future.

My understanding is that Cain wasnt a party to the confidentiality agreements. They were between the association and the women.

That seems to be Cain's understanding too.

Now explain to me how that happens.

How does the person involved not have any knowledge of a settlement that was caused by his actions?

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/11/2011 5:46:53 AM

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At least two of them with ties to Obama, two who came out after the allegations were floundering because no one would come forward with specifics.

Unnamed sources, unnamed charges.

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Your hypocrisy knows no bounds Willbeur.

There are FOUR women making claims of sexual harassment from Cain.

Yet we have this thread pretending that all FOUR of these women are lying.

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RE: Cain, Bialek and Lie Detectors - 11/11/2011 6:00:51 AM

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