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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I love how people try to make stupid stats on rape when many arent even reported.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

No,but it would have a huge impact on the percentage figure,would it not?
If all rapes were reported would not that 50% number shring,perhaps even dramatically ?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well if 50% are unreported we are at 50% of 50% of 50% or 12%. so, what we have is that since he has two settlements that means at 12% caught.....you do the math, but the boy is a fucking horn dawg, hah?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well if 50% are unreported we are at 50% of 50% of 50% or 12%. so, what we have is that since he has two settlements that means at 12% caught.....you do the math, but the boy is a fucking horn dawg, hah?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

No it is NOT!

But thanks for letting us know how you take these matters.

My ex was constantly hit on and pressured for sex by her employers.

Twice, she was fired for not cooperating.

Wasn`t fun, wasn`t a good time,wasn`t theater.If fact is was quite hurtful and changed her view of the world for the worse.

The two men who victimized her? Went on to open more restaurants and fuck more of their female employees.

Makes one wish for the days when dueling was legal.

I would like dueling to be legal again as well, Owner.

While not denying or attempting to minimize your ex's experiences, the question about the accusations about Cain are indeed political theater.  It's a political issue in most every major sense.  Doesn't make it non-serious.  It doesn't make it less painful for actual personal experiences.  But neither does it reduce or distract from the entertainment value of the public political theater.

War is hell, but there are truck loads of war movies, books, and games out there.

So, please, don't attempt to shut down the debate through that route, huh?

Now ... one of the things that some people seem to be saying is "why should she lie"?

I dunno.  Why do people ever lie?  Sometimes for good reason, sometimes for no reason.  Sometimes "just because".

But, if you don't think that there is a possibility that some or all of these women have either fabricated, or been influenced to make these accusations, then you're mind is already closed to the facts, and you are operating on opinion.

And, before you say it: yes, I hold the possibility that Cain did this stuff, or worst, open.

"But why should they lie?!"

Why do women lie about rape, a much more serious crime?  Figures run from 2% to 90% of rape accusations are false.  A more creditable figure seem to be around 10%. But there is pretty good evidence that the number approaches 50%.

This 50% number comes from The Forensic Examiner:

The Forensic Examiner® is the official peer-reviewed journal of the American College of Forensic Examiners International, the non-profit complementary division to the American College of Forensic Examiners Institute. The site serves as your source of information for all aspects of the journal, including article archives, contacting the staff, inquiring about advertising in the journal, and of course, subscriptions.

What I find most interesting, however, are the reasons that women report false rapes:

Approximately half of the accusers who were motivated by a need for an alibi identified the alleged rapist. Their goal was not to harm or cause problems for the acquaintance, but to protect themselves in what they perceived to be a desperate situation. As with most lies, the false rape accusation allowed the accuser to deny responsibility by creating an alternate reality into which to escape.

The next most common reason for lying about being a victim of rape was revenge, rage, or retribution. In the Midwest study, this included 27% of the non-student and 44% of the student accusers. In these cases, the false victim had suffered some real or perceived wrong, rejection, or betrayal by the alleged rapist. As the purpose of making the accusation was to obtain some measure of revenge, the "suspect" was always identified. Researchers in the Air Force study also found that spite or revenge and the need to compensate for a sense of personal failure through an alibi accusation were the primary motives for false rape reports.

There are a range of other reasons why women made false allegations of rape. For some, it was to meet the overwhelming need for attention often associated with Munchaussen Syndrome or Borderline Personality Disorder. In those cases a specific suspect was seldom identified. Others filed false reports in an attempt to essentially "extort" money from the accused, who was typically wealthy. Because the goal was financial, the accuser was typically not motivated to pursue the case through formal legal channels, preferring to push for a settlement.

As with certain false allegations of child sexual abuse, false allegations of rape may be the unfortunate byproduct of "recovered memory therapy." False allegations (of child abuse and domestic violence, as well as rape) are also known to arise in the context of divorce and disputed child custody. Within the context of the military, false reports of rape may be filed in order to avoid deployment to war zones.

I think that in this case, the possibility of political and ideological motives should be added.  So, we have the following main reasons why these women may have falsely accused him sexual harassment:

1. An alibi,
2. Revenge, rage or retribution,
3. Compensation for a sense of personal failure,
4. Overwhelming need for attention.
5. Financial motives (not through legal channels, but for settlements)
6. Political

Now, if you can take the other position: why did Cain do the harassment, yet claim that he didn't as well.  And I welcome you to do so.  But that's not the position that I'm taking right now (although, as I've said, I leave that possibility open).

Do any of the four women who have claimed to have been harassed by him possibly fit into any of these categories?  I think you can make a good argument for each of them to fit in at least one, and generally more than one of them.

Firm

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In 1994, Dr. Eugene J. Kanin of Purdue University investigated the incidences of false rape allegations made to the police in one small urban community between 1978 and 1987. He states that unlike those in many larger jurisdictions, this police department had the resources to "seriously record and pursue to closure all rape complaints, regardless of their merits." He further states each investigation "always involves a serious offer to polygraph the complainants and the suspects" and "the complainant must admit that no rape had occurred. She is the sole agent who can say that the rape charge is false." The number of false rape allegations in the studied period was 45; this was 41% of the 109 total complaints filed in this period.[8]
[edit]Criticism
Critics of Dr. Kanin's report include Dr. David Lisak, an associate professor of psychology and director of the Men’s Sexual Trauma Research Project at the University of Massachusetts Boston. In an article in the September/October 2007 issue (vol. 11 no. 1) of the Sexual Assault Report, titled "False allegations of rape: a critique of Kanin," he states "Kanin’s 1994 article on false allegations is a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study of the issue of false reporting of rape. It certainly should never be used to assert a scientific foundation for the frequency of false allegations." Lisak cites page 13 of Investigating Sexual Assaults from the International Association of Chiefs of Police which says polygraph tests for sexual assault victims are contraindicated in the investigation process and that their use is "based on the misperception that a significant percentage of sexual assault reports are false." Lisak argues that "It is noteworthy that the police department from which Kanin derived his data used or threatened to use the polygraph in every case… The fact that it was the standard procedure of this department provides a window on the biases of the officers who conducted the rape investigations, biases that were then echoed in Kanin’s unchallenged reporting of their findings."

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Under reporting
According to the American Medical Association (1995), sexual violence, and rape in particular, is considered the most under-reported violent crime.[4][5]

The most common reasons given by victims for not reporting rapes are the belief that it is a personal or private matter, and that they fear reprisal from the assailant. A 2007 government report in England says "Estimates from research suggest that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police."[6]

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The one that sticks out for me is the Tawana Brawley Hoax.

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Possible motives
Much of the grand jury evidence pointed to a possible motive for Brawley's falsifying the incident: trying to avoid violent punishment from her mother and her stepfather Ralph King. Witnesses testified that Glenda Brawley had previously beaten her daughter for running away and for spending nights with boys. King had a history of violence that included stabbing his first wife 14 times, later shooting and killing her. There was considerable evidence that King could and would violently attack Brawley: when Brawley had been arrested on a shoplifting charge the previous May, King attempted to beat her for the offense while at the police station. Witnesses have also described King as having talked about his stepdaughter in a sexualized manner.[20] On the day of her alleged disappearance, Brawley had skipped school to visit boyfriend Todd Buxton, who was serving a six-month jail sentence. When Buxton's mother (with whom she had visited Buxton in jail) urged her to get home before she got in trouble, Brawley told her, "I'm already in trouble." She described how angry Ralph King was over a previous incident of her staying out late.[21]
There was evidence that Brawley's mother and King participated knowingly in the hoax. Neighbors told the grand jury that in February they overheard Glenda Brawley saying to Mr. King, "You shouldn't have took the money because after it all comes out, they're going to find out the truth." Another neighbor heard Mrs. Brawley say, "They know we're lying and they're going to find out and come and get us."[20]
In April 1989, New York Newsday published claims by a boyfriend of Brawley's, Daryl Rodriguez, that she had told him the story was fabricated, with help from her mother, in order to avert the wrath of her stepfather.[22] Writing about the case in a 2004 book on perceptions of racial violence, sociologist Jonathan Markovitz concluded "it is reasonable to suggest that Brawley's fear and the kinds of suffering that she must have gone through must have been truly staggering if they were enough to force her to resort to cutting her hair, covering herself in feces and crawling into a garbage bag."[5]

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Where are their values now?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The one that sticks out for me is the Tawana Brawley Hoax.

One out of how many rapes a year?

According to UCR (the FBI's crime stats),there are 28.7 per 100.000 people.

Now, why did Tawana's case fall apart? Lack of evidence and changing stories.

Why did she do it?

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Possible motives
Much of the grand jury evidence pointed to a possible motive for Brawley's falsifying the incident: trying to avoid violent punishment from her mother and her stepfather Ralph King. Witnesses testified that Glenda Brawley had previously beaten her daughter for running away and for spending nights with boys. King had a history of violence that included stabbing his first wife 14 times, later shooting and killing her. There was considerable evidence that King could and would violently attack Brawley: when Brawley had been arrested on a shoplifting charge the previous May, King attempted to beat her for the offense while at the police station. Witnesses have also described King as having talked about his stepdaughter in a sexualized manner.[20] On the day of her alleged disappearance, Brawley had skipped school to visit boyfriend Todd Buxton, who was serving a six-month jail sentence. When Buxton's mother (with whom she had visited Buxton in jail) urged her to get home before she got in trouble, Brawley told her, "I'm already in trouble." She described how angry Ralph King was over a previous incident of her staying out late.[21]
There was evidence that Brawley's mother and King participated knowingly in the hoax. Neighbors told the grand jury that in February they overheard Glenda Brawley saying to Mr. King, "You shouldn't have took the money because after it all comes out, they're going to find out the truth." Another neighbor heard Mrs. Brawley say, "They know we're lying and they're going to find out and come and get us."[20]
In April 1989, New York Newsday published claims by a boyfriend of Brawley's, Daryl Rodriguez, that she had told him the story was fabricated, with help from her mother, in order to avert the wrath of her stepfather.[22] Writing about the case in a 2004 book on perceptions of racial violence, sociologist Jonathan Markovitz concluded "it is reasonable to suggest that Brawley's fear and the kinds of suffering that she must have gone through must have been truly staggering if they were enough to force her to resort to cutting her hair, covering herself in feces and crawling into a garbage bag."[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations

At 15, pushed into it by her mother, a mother who had beaten the girl before... a father with a violent criminal past....

Yeah.

But, of course, the reasons why were totally lost on everyone... and still ignored to this day.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Using wonky "rape" statistics is bogus tooo.
piling on your ignorance...WEEEEEEEEEEE you go guys

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What was Brawley motivation for all this is tragic. My point is that there were those who knew the real story and explotited it for there own personal goals.