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FirmhandKY -> RE: Cain Accusers' Press Conference ... (11/11/2011 8:10:31 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
No it is NOT!
But thanks for letting us know how you take these matters.
My ex was constantly hit on and pressured for sex by her employers.
Twice, she was fired for not cooperating.
Wasn`t fun, wasn`t a good time,wasn`t theater.If fact is was quite hurtful and changed her view of the world for the worse.
The two men who victimized her? Went on to open more restaurants and fuck more of their female employees.
Makes one wish for the days when dueling was legal.
I would like dueling to be legal again as well, Owner. [:)]
While not denying or attempting to minimize your ex's experiences, the question about the accusations about Cain are indeed political theater. It's a political issue in most every major sense. Doesn't make it non-serious. It doesn't make it less painful for actual personal experiences. But neither does it reduce or distract from the entertainment value of the public political theater.
War is hell, but there are truck loads of war movies, books, and games out there.
So, please, don't attempt to shut down the debate through that route, huh?
Now ... one of the things that some people seem to be saying is "why should she lie"?
I dunno. Why do people ever lie? Sometimes for good reason, sometimes for no reason. Sometimes "just because".
But, if you don't think that there is a possibility that some or all of these women have either fabricated, or been influenced to make these accusations, then you're mind is already closed to the facts, and you are operating on opinion.
And, before you say it: yes, I hold the possibility that Cain did this stuff, or worst, open.
"But why should they lie?!"
Why do women lie about rape, a much more serious crime? Figures run from 2% to 90% of rape accusations are false. A more creditable figure seem to be around 10%. But there is pretty good evidence that the number approaches 50%.
This 50% number comes from The Forensic Examiner:
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What I find most interesting, however, are the reasons that women report false rapes:
Approximately half of the accusers who were motivated by a need for an alibi identified the alleged rapist. Their goal was not to harm or cause problems for the acquaintance, but to protect themselves in what they perceived to be a desperate situation. As with most lies, the false rape accusation allowed the accuser to deny responsibility by creating an alternate reality into which to escape.
The next most common reason for lying about being a victim of rape was revenge, rage, or retribution. In the Midwest study, this included 27% of the non-student and 44% of the student accusers. In these cases, the false victim had suffered some real or perceived wrong, rejection, or betrayal by the alleged rapist. As the purpose of making the accusation was to obtain some measure of revenge, the "suspect" was always identified. Researchers in the Air Force study also found that spite or revenge and the need to compensate for a sense of personal failure through an alibi accusation were the primary motives for false rape reports.
There are a range of other reasons why women made false allegations of rape. For some, it was to meet the overwhelming need for attention often associated with Munchaussen Syndrome or Borderline Personality Disorder. In those cases a specific suspect was seldom identified. Others filed false reports in an attempt to essentially "extort" money from the accused, who was typically wealthy. Because the goal was financial, the accuser was typically not motivated to pursue the case through formal legal channels, preferring to push for a settlement.
As with certain false allegations of child sexual abuse, false allegations of rape may be the unfortunate byproduct of "recovered memory therapy." False allegations (of child abuse and domestic violence, as well as rape) are also known to arise in the context of divorce and disputed child custody. Within the context of the military, false reports of rape may be filed in order to avoid deployment to war zones.
I think that in this case, the possibility of political and ideological motives should be added. So, we have the following main reasons why these women may have falsely accused him sexual harassment:
1. An alibi,
2. Revenge, rage or retribution,
3. Compensation for a sense of personal failure,
4. Overwhelming need for attention.
5. Financial motives (not through legal channels, but for settlements)
6. Political
Now, if you can take the other position: why did Cain do the harassment, yet claim that he didn't as well. And I welcome you to do so. But that's not the position that I'm taking right now (although, as I've said, I leave that possibility open).
Do any of the four women who have claimed to have been harassed by him possibly fit into any of these categories? I think you can make a good argument for each of them to fit in at least one, and generally more than one of them.
Firm
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