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NocturnalStalker -> RE: The Transgender Thread (11/17/2011 3:33:08 AM)
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He is saying that every one of those say that they were miserable or suicidal prior, and much happier now. Within that set - they say, universally, that they were miserable or suicidal prior, and much happier now.
Or they say, "Every TG I've known that has done the operation has emerged a happier person." It is when you're throwing out such broad terms like universally that it becomes less about just those few TG friends and more about TG at large.
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Now... He qualified the statement by defining the set "The Few TGs I have known". I don't think he's extrapolating that to imply that every TG on the planet or in the wider universe was miserable or suicidal prior, and much happier now, but I think he's making and argument that, given his experience, he'd expect a significant number of TGs from the general population to feel the same.
And this is where I come in and say that would be an incorrect assumption to make considering there have been no statistics or data to actually show that and again, there is the term "universally" that diffuses the entire argument. When you want to say, "I expect a significant number of TGs" you word it as, "most." If you're going to play arbiter and include the entirety of TGs, you say "universal." By you speaking for him and turning "universal" (the entire population of TGs) into "significant" (a large portion of TGs but not all) you are incorrectly defending him. You are trying to erase his blunder and replace it with something that never was.
You're also not seeing the blunder you yourself have made by saying that the "few TGs" that make up the universe for him now have given DarkSteven the thought that any TG that has underwent the operation will be full of joy/happiness. DarkSteven is still going to be assuming that what the "few TGs" have experienced is an axiom to all others. This assumption will exist as universal to him unless he meets a TG that is unhappy after operation. Why does this assumption exist as universal? Because that is all he knows for now, and that is flawed logic. What makes it hilarious is how he had jabbed at me for "making up facts" when I, myself have used to word "most" when referring to people in general that view the TG types negatively. Do you know why I say "most" and not something grand such as "universally?" Because a person such as DarkSteven prohibits me from incorrectly making him apart of the group. He's a normal guy, right? I'm saying *most* normal people frown on the transgendered, and I say that because I am well aware there are those out there such as him that have some form of relationship with one. He can currently stick to his belief that all that undergo SRS surgery are suddenly amazingly happy but someone of his years and general wisdom should know better that there is a percentage of those that still find no reprieve.
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Since you define homosexuality as "abnormal" I simply wanted to ask whether you regarded homosexuality as a mental illness.
Ah, but you see that's an entirely new hornets nest to bat at. I will comment though that by saying it is "abnormal" I do not necessarily imply mental sickness. But as I said, I'll save open that Pandora's Box in another topic.
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