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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:34:33 PM   
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It isn't that you are bringing anyone "discomfort" with what you state.
Well it has obviously caused you enough discomfort that you felt the need to make a couple posts just to insult her.

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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:35:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know that I believe in "ghosts" as we traditionally think of them. I do believe that there is much.....so much....that we don't know, and I would not be surprised in the least to learn that our energy survives our death in a way we don't recognize now, or that what we are just learning about different dimensions and time travel will eventually be the answer to all of the mysteries of the afterlife, including the energy of the dead still hanging around in our world.

I've had some weird experiences, yes. One in particular shook me up quite a bit. I heard my father's voice, clear as day, say my name while I was putting on my shoes one day early in the morning while getting ready for work. Was it a ghost? Maybe. Was it my mind satisfying a yearning to have a connection with my father? Maybe. Perhaps that's how "ghosts" come through to us in the first place. (See my first paragraph - let's loosen up the definition of "ghost.")

Honestly, I think saying there are no such things as ghosts is as ridiculous as saying there is no supreme being. Nobody knows for sure, and hundreds of years from now humans will look back on us and our "science" the same way we look back on Apollo guiding his chariot through the sky each day to provide sunlight. For all we know, they could be saying "Look at those ignorant bastards. Could you imagine living in a world in which we didn't know that ______ and ________ turns into ________ and can be seen by ________ when we die?"

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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:36:16 PM   
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I didn't believe in ghosts until I lived in a house that was haunted down in North Carolina. Me and my then girlfriend stayed at this place, and in the summer, when you were indoors, you could hear cannons going off. When you went outside, nothing. From what my girlfriend told me, there had been a rather significant Civil War battle fought in that area, and she believes that's where the cannons come from.

Also in the house, in the attic, at night, you can hear whispering voices. And one time, when I was there all by my lonesome, all of a sudden there was an incredible pounding that rapidly grew louder, and came from everywhere at once.

Also the old Wyoming State Penitentiary in Rawlins is haunted. At night you can see lights coming on, despite the fact there's absolutely no power going into it.


This is a true story.

Years ago I was sailing off the southern coast of the Dominican Republic (heading west); four in crew total. We were perhaps 5 miles offshore. It was night and I was off watch, below getting some sleep. It was after midnight when the skipper called me on deck. I stood in the companionway and he handed me the boat's (quite powerful) binoculars, pointing northwest to a well lit boat ~1-2 miles away. "What is that?" he asked. "Ah! Ah!" was all I could say. What the fuck else could I say? It was the sight of a lifetime.

A fucking Viking Ship, under full sail, doing ~20kt traveling west to east.

So I told him. "It's a fucking Viking ship!"
"Yeah! That's what I see too!"

The skipper remained on deck watching this sight while I fired up the radar unit. There were a few fishing boats about and a tanker or two. All showed up on radar, including the coastline. The radar was capable of discerning to well over 20 miles. That damned Viking Ship did not register, and it was lit up like a fucking Christmas tree.

We proceeded then to open a case of Heineken and drink the whole thing.



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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:36:32 PM   
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It's funny...I don't call people stupid or immature because they have a different opinion from mine.


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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:38:51 PM   
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One in particular shook me up quite a bit. I heard my father's voice, clear as day, say my name while I was putting on my shoes one day early in the morning while getting ready for work. Was it a ghost? Maybe. Was it my mind satisfying a yearning to have a connection with my father? Maybe. Perhaps that's how "ghosts" come through to us in the first place.
The technical term for it is "hallucination".

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Honestly, I think saying there are no such things as ghosts is as ridiculous as saying there is no supreme being.
One could equally say that it is as reasonable to do so, since there exists no evidence for either.


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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:47:01 PM   
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Do pay attention.

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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:48:03 PM   
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Honestly, I think saying there are no such things as ghosts is as ridiculous as saying there is no supreme being.
One could equally say that it is as reasonable to do so, since there exists no evidence for either.



Yep, burden of proof to believe. Which is why I can't say yes, there are ghosts. But, to completely rule out just because something hasn't been proven? I can't do that, either. There is so much that is unexplained. I feel we, humans as a group, are being arrogant when we think we can answer questions like this. We....know...nothing.



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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:55:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if you want to interpret it that way, I can't stop you, but you'd be wrong. I stopped believing in ghosts around the age of 5 or 6, which was also the age at which I entered grade school.

Its interesting, that the people accusing others of insulting people are the only ones making any insults on this thread.

Well, not really, given who those posters are.


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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 3:57:43 PM   
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I feel we, humans as a group, are being arrogant when we think we can answer questions like this.
Well I can't think of anybody better qualified to do so, can you? 

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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:06:59 PM   
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I feel we, humans as a group, are being arrogant when we think we can answer questions like this.
Well I can't think of anybody better qualified to do so, can you? 


maybe whoever is bigger and more evolved than we are.
i imagine there are places where there are huge bustling ant colonies that never come in contact with humans -- to them, humans don't exist, despite the fact that we do.
none of their survival tactics, learned behaviors, or "science" take our existence into account because they have never seen us. still, we exist.

i think we are like those ants.

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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:08:41 PM   
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maybe whoever is bigger and more evolved than we are.
And they would be......?

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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:10:26 PM   
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One in particular shook me up quite a bit. I heard my father's voice, clear as day, say my name while I was putting on my shoes one day early in the morning while getting ready for work. Was it a ghost? Maybe. Was it my mind satisfying a yearning to have a connection with my father? Maybe. Perhaps that's how "ghosts" come through to us in the first place.
The technical term for it is "hallucination".



Well, here's an fucking hallucination that actually paid off something. I was heading back to Colorado from Oakland, CA, having had a new Hardy&Beck engine dropped into my old BMW 2002tii. A lady friend was with me on that trip. We had stopped for the night in Lake Tahoe. Now, cash was scarce but not so scarce that we could not gamble just a little. She had 100, so did I. Very late in the evening, well after midnight, I went off to find where she had gotten to. I was down to my last few silver dollars for the slots.

On my way to find her, maneuvering through the slots, I heard someone call my name. I turned around and no one was there. Fine. I'm hearing things. I proceeded to go find her. Turned down another row of slots and I heard it again, my name being called. I walked around and found no one. Then I heard it again. I went to where I heard it come from. Fucking A. A slot machine saying my name. Well,,, SHIT! Ok. Put in 3 silver dollars. Nothing. Again. Nothing. Again..... fucker paid off $300.00. BOO-YEAH!

Next day on the way back to Colorado, after lunch in Battle Mtn. Nevada, got in the car and started it up. Blam! The butt plate of the alternator disintegrated.

Repair cost? $300.00.

True story.



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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:14:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Which really has nothing whatsoever to do with ghosts, now does it? Nor does it in any way dispute my contention that the things people think they see and hear are hallucinations.


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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:29:32 PM   
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Which really has nothing whatsoever to do with ghosts, now does it?



Ever hear the term "the ghost in the machine"? Anyway, how the hell should I know. I do know though that those 300 smackers were no hallucination. What really blew my mind was the cost of the repair and how it had been covered.

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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:32:45 PM   
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maybe whoever is bigger and more evolved than we are.
And they would be......?


just because we don't know doesn't mean they aren't there.

there is an ant in the world who will live its entire life without ever seeing a human, despite the fact that we are real.
one ant might say to him "there are these things out there that mow lawns and go to sports games and flat iron their hair!" the other ant says "uh yeah, i've never seen them, so they're not real."

and yet here we are. =p

asking "well who are they?" and getting an "i dunno" answer doesn't mean that "they" aren't there.
of course, it doesn't mean they ARE there, either.
but saying "no" outright to something that you can't possibly know seems very closed-minded to me.


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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:34:02 PM   
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Ever hear the term "the ghost in the machine"?


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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:34:18 PM   
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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:36:45 PM   
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just because we don't know doesn't mean they aren't there.
 

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but saying "no" outright to something that you can't possibly know seems very closed-minded to me.
Well saying "yes" to things that there you can't possibly know and for which there is no evidence seems very gullible to me.


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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:38:49 PM   
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Yes, they do exist. I know.
Of course you would say that.


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RE: Do ghosts exist? - 11/13/2011 4:45:56 PM   
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