tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle No doubt GOP supporters are salivating at the choice before them. Who wouldn't be enthused by the choice between a bore, a buffoon and duplicitous philanderer who cruelly betrayed every woman he married? It's a worry that these 3 morons are falling over themselves (and each other) in their rush to start another war - this time with Iran. Is there any evidence that any of them knows where Iran is? (No Herman it's not a place to home deliver pizzas) It appears that the GOP wishes to inflict a re-run of Bush the Dumber on the world. Hasn't anyone learnt anything from the disastrous invasion of Iraq? Hasn't it trickled down to the GOP that the GFC is a direct consequence of the doomed economic billionaire-friendly policies Bush the Dumber pursued for years? It's OK for conservatives to yearn and hanker for a return to a mythical past, but someone really needs to tell them that a real return to the real past is impossible. Where does the GOP find such lamentably under-qualified, untalented idiots? Does it have an endless supply of them (noting Perry is still lurking in the background, no doubt trying to remember where he put his memory aid pills)? I don't know where to begin. Your entire post is full of hyperbole and nonsense. We all know the story of Newt serving up divorce papers in his wife's hospital room while she was recovering from surgery. This is the baggage I'm talking about and I'm sayin he can overcome. Even the daughter says the whole thing was exaggerated by the press and not at all what it was portrayed as. You say "duplicitous philanderer who cruelly betrayed every woman he married?" Me thinks you exaggerate. Got any facts other than the one I just mentioned. You can say Gingrich is a " lamentably under-qualified, untalented idiot" but that's just nonsensical and absurd. Gingrich is an intellectual genius. The rest of the pack doesn't fall into the untalented idiot category either. I don't even think Obama is an idiot. Like I wrote in the OP "Marxist hack" but certainly not stupid. You say "these morons are falling all over themselves in their rush to start another war". Once again morons is highly exaggerating and why can't they just go in and break a few things (knock out Iran's nuclear capability) and get out again. I doubt if these guys and Gingrich in particular are going to want a rerun of Iraq, nation building or any of the rest of it. The bolded part is a good illustration of the airy fairy thinking that pervades rightwing pronouncements on this question. Is it really being suggested that the US can just fly in knock out the nulcear bits and then fly off into the sunset without any consequences? Do you expect the Iranians to surrender or erect huge "Thank You for Bombing Iran" signs? Of course Iran and Iranians will react angrily. They will be setting out to do as much damage to the US and its interests as it can. America got bombed on 9/11. Americans reacted with justifiable outrage, not a surrender note. Is there any reason why Iranians will react differently, why an Iranian response to American acts of war will be anything less than outrage? It's far more likely that (if, and I stress 'if', Iran is actually nuclear weaponised) some missiles will be going Israel's direction. In other words one possible outcome will be precisely the outcome the US attacks are supposed to prevent. A certain consequence will be the blocking of Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf. This is the passage through which all of the Western oil imports from the region flow. In other words, no more oil for the West from anyone in the region, not even the Saudis (bar the tiny amount transported by vulnerable hard-to-defend pipelines) . Nor is it by any means well established that aerial bombing will actually achieve the stated aim of destroying Iran's alleged nuclear capability. Iran has spread these facilities around its country and built many of the facilities underground where they may be beyond the US's ability to strike effectively. Arrogant ill informed sabre-rattling is great fun for those who don't have to live with the consequences. The idea advocated by luvmuffin that the US can attack Iran without causing any widespread lasting consequences is specious. There will be consequences. They will be at least as nasty as the aggressive act of war that initiates the conflict. They will be widespread. They will be enduring. And they will be far far beyond the ability of anyone in either Washington or Jerusalem to control. A conflict once initiated will lurch inevtiably towards a US invasion a la Iraq, a disaster in the making. Getting all States in the region to sign up to making the region a nuclear weapons free zone is a far better far more achievable option without any of the negative side effects generated by aggressive US militarism. Yet not a single one of the morons running for the GOP candidacy seems aware that far more effective options exist.
< Message edited by tweakabelle -- 11/15/2011 5:22:50 PM >
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