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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 1:55:11 PM   
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Romney/Rubio. Bank it.


I agree with Romney. Please explain your rationale for Rubio.


Secures Florida, pulls some of the Hispanic vote from the rest of the country. Bonafide social conservative to balance Romney's more centrist tendencies. Would destroy Biden in a debate, exposing him for the puppet he is.

One thing that a lot of folks don't understand is that there is no bloc "Hispanic Vote".

Hispanics in the US are about 20 different groups that in a lot of cases HATE each other.

Some of them are Bloc Republican voters (Cubans for example they would vote for Satan if he had an R after his name.). Some are bloc Dem voters and some are in between but they are far from a monolithic group. Noone seems to understand that.


what part of "some of" dont you understand?

With Rubio being of Cuban extraction, I don't think he will pull a heck of a lot of hispanic support except in New Jersey (another large Cuban-American population.)
Most anglos don't understand how the different hispanic groups get along or don't. I lived in miami for 18 years and there are groups that share a language, a cuisine and a culture but fucking HATE each other. Some Carribean islanders are like that too. Cats and dogs doesn't even come close. Rubio might help a bit in Jersey but that's it.

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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 2:11:25 PM   
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The republican party has been hurt over the years by issues such as abortion. I know women who seem to understand and agree with conservatism when it comes to budget deficits, national debt, spending too much on all the stupid shit we spend too much on and all the rest of it.  They are seemingly staunch conservatives one minute but then some freakin *man* comes along and tells em what they can and can't do about their pregnancy and they turn into flesh eating liberals. 


Yes, lots of people are fiscal conservatives and social liberals.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/more-data-on-fiscally-conservative-socially-liberal-voters/

Interestingly, these “fiscally conservative, socially moderate or liberal” respondents made up 17 percent of Republicans but 24 percent of Democrats — and 41 percent of ticket-splitters:


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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 2:15:57 PM   
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So we're all a bunch of cheer leaders for a bunch of crooks who got us all duped ???


You have a pretty firm grasp of the obvious

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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 2:21:14 PM   
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  I think in the end Gingrich will have said things that are so profound, as he has over the years,  people are going to perk up, listen and take a closer look. When they do they will buy into his candidacy. 





What has he said that you think is profound?

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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 2:23:37 PM   
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My nephew, while in college  is friends with many people from Spain. He said they can hardly tell what Mexicans are saying when they speak as (they) speak  "Andalusion Spanish' which is considered "real Spanish."
And he said that they said a lot of other things about Mexicans which I won't go into here.



It would seem that your nephew is as ignorant as you.

The Andalusian varieties of Spanish (Spanish: andaluz, IPA: [andaˈluθ])[1] are spoken in Andalusia, Ceuta, Melilla and Gibraltar. They include perhaps the most distinct of the southern variants of peninsular Spanish, differing in many respects from northern varieties, and also from Standard Spanish. Due to the large population of Andalusia, the Andalusian dialect is the second most spoken dialect in Spain, after the transitional variants between Castilian and Andalusian (for example the one from Madrid). Due to massive emigration from Andalusia to the Spanish colonies in the Americas and elsewhere, most American Spanish dialects share some fundamental characteristics with Western Andalusian Spanish, such as the use of ustedes instead of vosotros for the second person plural, and seseo. Many varieties of Spanish, such as Canarian Spanish, Caribbean Spanish and Latin American Spanish are popularly thought of as being based on Andalusian Spanish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andalusian_Spanish




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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 2:43:49 PM   
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The republican party has been hurt over the years by issues such as abortion. I know women who seem to understand and agree with conservatism when it comes to budget deficits, national debt, spending too much on all the stupid shit we spend too much on and all the rest of it.  They are seemingly staunch conservatives one minute but then some freakin *man* comes along and tells em what they can and can't do about their pregnancy and they turn into flesh eating liberals. 


Yes, lots of people are fiscal conservatives and social liberals.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/more-data-on-fiscally-conservative-socially-liberal-voters/

Interestingly, these “fiscally conservative, socially moderate or liberal” respondents made up 17 percent of Republicans but 24 percent of Democrats — and 41 percent of ticket-splitters:





Yes it is interesting and even weird.  Though I would call myself a conservative independent  I'm a cheerleader for the conservative republicans rather than a ticket splitter.  Fiscal responsibility takes president IMHO.  I wouldn't vote for Bauchman in the primary but I certainly would in the general even if she is a bat shit crazy religious fanatic (exaggerated for effect) given the choice between her and the Marxist. 


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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 2:50:52 PM   
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The republican party has been hurt over the years by issues such as abortion. I know women who seem to understand and agree with conservatism when it comes to budget deficits, national debt, spending too much on all the stupid shit we spend too much on and all the rest of it.  They are seemingly staunch conservatives one minute but then some freakin *man* comes along and tells em what they can and can't do about their pregnancy and they turn into flesh eating liberals. 


Yes, lots of people are fiscal conservatives and social liberals.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/more-data-on-fiscally-conservative-socially-liberal-voters/

Interestingly, these “fiscally conservative, socially moderate or liberal” respondents made up 17 percent of Republicans but 24 percent of Democrats — and 41 percent of ticket-splitters:





Yes it is interesting and even weird.  Though I would call myself a conservative independent  I'm a cheerleader for the conservative republicans rather than a ticket splitter.  Fiscal responsibility takes president IMHO.  I wouldn't vote for Bauchman in the primary but I certainly would in the general even if she is a bat shit crazy religious fanatic (exaggerated for effect) given the choice between her and the Marxist. 



Self-identification polls are worthless to begin with. There are far left posters here who sould swear they are centrist, and those on both sides who either lie or have deluded themselves into thinking they are "independent".

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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 3:08:55 PM   
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Self-identification polls are worthless to begin with. There are far left posters here who sould swear they are centrist, and those on both sides who either lie or have deluded themselves into thinking they are "independent".



LOL.....I'm really not even sure what to call myself.  I don't call myself republican even though I'm registered as one. In this state it's worthless to register as independent I couldn't vote in the primaries. Too many times over the years republicans have turned squishy and acted more like libs. It's the one thing that pisses me off more than anything else.  I'm not so fond of either of the Bush's.  It cracks me up how the libs hate them so much because in some ways they were much like them.  I'm definitely conservative though, I'm sure of that. 


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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 3:11:12 PM   
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I wouldn't vote for Bauchman in the primary but I certainly would in the general even if she is a bat shit crazy religious fanatic (exaggerated for effect) given the choice between her and the Marxist.


Would you define for us what you mean by marxist?

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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 5:15:17 PM   
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No doubt GOP supporters are salivating at the choice before them. Who wouldn't be enthused by the choice between a bore, a buffoon and duplicitous philanderer who cruelly betrayed every woman he married?

It's a worry that these 3 morons are falling over themselves (and each other) in their rush to start another war - this time with Iran. Is there any evidence that any of them knows where Iran is? (No Herman it's not a place to home deliver pizzas) It appears that the GOP wishes to inflict a re-run of Bush the Dumber on the world. Hasn't anyone learnt anything from the disastrous invasion of Iraq? Hasn't it trickled down to the GOP that the GFC is a direct consequence of the doomed economic billionaire-friendly policies Bush the Dumber pursued for years?

It's OK for conservatives to yearn and hanker for a return to a mythical past, but someone really needs to tell them that a real return to the real past is impossible. Where does the GOP find such lamentably under-qualified, untalented idiots? Does it have an endless supply of them (noting Perry is still lurking in the background, no doubt trying to remember where he put his memory aid pills)?


I don't know where to begin. Your entire post is full of hyperbole and nonsense.  We all know the story of Newt serving up divorce papers in his wife's hospital room while she was recovering from surgery. This is the baggage I'm talking about and I'm sayin he can overcome.  Even the daughter says the whole thing was exaggerated by the press and not at all what it was portrayed as.   You say "duplicitous philanderer who cruelly betrayed every woman he married?" Me thinks you exaggerate. Got any facts other than the one I just mentioned. 

You can say Gingrich is a " lamentably under-qualified, untalented idiot" but that's just nonsensical and absurd.  Gingrich is an intellectual genius. The rest of the pack doesn't fall into the untalented idiot category either. I don't even think Obama is an idiot. Like I wrote in the OP "Marxist hack" but certainly not stupid.

You say "these morons are falling all over themselves in their rush to start another war".  Once again morons is highly exaggerating and why can't they just go in and break a few things (knock out Iran's nuclear capability) and get out again. I doubt if these guys and Gingrich in particular are going to want a rerun of Iraq, nation building or any of the rest of it.


The bolded part is a good illustration of the airy fairy thinking that pervades rightwing pronouncements on this question. Is it really being suggested that the US can just fly in knock out the nulcear bits and then fly off into the sunset without any consequences? Do you expect the Iranians to surrender or erect huge "Thank You for Bombing Iran" signs? Of course Iran and Iranians will react angrily. They will be setting out to do as much damage to the US and its interests as it can.

America got bombed on 9/11. Americans reacted with justifiable outrage, not a surrender note. Is there any reason why Iranians will react differently, why an Iranian response to American acts of war will be anything less than outrage? It's far more likely that (if, and I stress 'if', Iran is actually nuclear weaponised) some missiles will be going Israel's direction. In other words one possible outcome will be precisely the outcome the US attacks are supposed to prevent.

A certain consequence will be the blocking of Strait of Hormuz in the Gulf. This is the passage through which all of the Western oil imports from the region flow. In other words, no more oil for the West from anyone in the region, not even the Saudis (bar the tiny amount transported by vulnerable hard-to-defend pipelines)
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Nor is it by any means well established that aerial bombing will actually achieve the stated aim of destroying Iran's alleged nuclear capability. Iran has spread these facilities around its country and built many of the facilities underground where they may be beyond the US's ability to strike effectively.

Arrogant ill informed sabre-rattling is great fun for those who don't have to live with the consequences. The idea advocated by luvmuffin that the US can attack Iran without causing any widespread lasting consequences is specious. There will be consequences. They will be at least as nasty as the aggressive act of war that initiates the conflict. They will be widespread. They will be enduring. And they will be far far beyond the ability of anyone in either Washington or Jerusalem to control. A conflict once initiated will lurch inevtiably towards a US invasion a la Iraq, a disaster in the making.

Getting all States in the region to sign up to making the region a nuclear weapons free zone is a far better far more achievable option without any of the negative side effects generated by aggressive US militarism. Yet not a single one of the morons running for the GOP candidacy seems aware that far more effective options exist.

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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/15/2011 7:20:19 PM   
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Just electioneering at its finest. Waving Iran around is a safe simple thing to do, for after all things change in a year, and if put into office the same crew will dismiss ttheir earlier positions on the grounds "things have changed."

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Get ready for a flurry of fuzzy satellite ''intelligence'' of generic warehouses all across Iran frantically described as segments of a nuclear bomb assembly line (Remember a famous ''secret nuclear facility'' in Syria not long ago? It was a textile factory.)

Get ready for a flurry of crude diagrams depicting suspect devices, or the containers that hide them, all capable of reaching Europe in 45 minutes.

Get ready for a flurry of ''experts'' on Fox, CNN and the BBC endlessly dissecting all this extended black ops dressed up as ''evidence''. For instance, former UN weapons inspector David Albright, now at the Institute for Science and International  Security (ISIS), has already pulled his return of the living dead stunt, displaying his ''bomb Iran'' credentials complete with diagrams and satellite intel.


Do the bomb Iran shuffle

And apparently much the the supposed "intelligence" presented by anonymous "member states" is being shown to be false.

For example -

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But it turns out that the foreign expert, who is not named in the IAEA report but was identified in news reports as Vyacheslav Danilenko, is not a nuclear weapons scientist but one of the top specialists in the world in the production of nanodiamonds by explosives.


'Soviet nuclear scientist' a rough diamond



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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/16/2011 5:32:05 AM   
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Getting all States in the region to sign up to making the region a nuclear weapons free zone is a far better far more achievable option without any of the negative side effects generated by aggressive US militarism. Yet not a single one of the morons running for the GOP candidacy seems aware that far more effective options exist.



Ok then, I would like to see that happen too. When it does I'll run out into the street naked and sing Kume-Bye-Ya.


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RE: Gingrich, Romney and Cain In Dead Heat - 11/16/2011 7:06:41 AM   
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When it does I'll run out into the street naked and sing Kume-Bye-Ya.


At least put a towel around yourself...no one wants to see that.

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