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xxblushesxx -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:36:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

To me it is about the law when it comes to the right of a child to feed, and its mother feeding it.
sensibilities against a hungry child, a hurting child a child that needs comforting
sorry , doesnt fit in my book
the laws to protectpregnant and breastfeeding women were fought for years ago and added to the books for a bloody good reason
personal morality is too hard to legislate beyond equality and non discrimination. If you wanna ban it, you are gonna have to change the law.


There are ways to mitigate this so the hungry, hurting, starving child does not have to be fed in court. There are ways to mitigate this. I've said this over and over.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:37:33 PM)

Gonna toss out another thing that MIGHT have someting to do with the topic.

In a lot of small towns, including mine, bailiffs are older (read Wal Mart greeter age) retired police officers/constables that want to stay in the business as it were.

What do you think the possibilities are that this was an elderly bailiff that was more easily offended by things such as breast feeding than someone under 50 might be?

To the generation before mine, and a lot of My generation, showing skin is immoral.

My understanding of the article is that it wasn't the judge that had the initial problem but the bailiff.

I will still contend that bringing a baby with an ear infection to a courtroom is just begging for trouble but if she was ordred there, she had no choice.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:38:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

If you're in court for child custody, do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

If you're in court for something that could put you in jail for a few years do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?


Obviously, blushes, when it doesn't affect them directly. After all, these people aren't concerned about other's rights, only their own desire/right to do as they please. Funny, it would seem that would make most of them (and probably has a good few of them) quite familiar with what goes on in a court room.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:40:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Mom Kicked Out of Court for Breastfeeding

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Apparently, feeding your child is something to be ashamed of -- at least according to one district court judge. Michigan resident and mother of a 5-month-old baby, Natalie Hegedus, was reportedly "called out" for breastfeeding in front of an entire courtroom, leaving her humiliated and in tears.


Ok, really? I'm sure there are plenty here that will defend her right to breastfeed where ever she wants, but there are times it is simply inappropriate.

It isn't "illegal" to use a cell phone, but don't do it in a court room. Most court rooms aren't even go to permit your child in the courtroom as he/she can create a disturbance if they get "fussy" during proceedings.

It really would not have been all that difficult for her to step out into the Atrium area to feed her child. She could have pulled a bailiff aside, explained that her baby needed to be fed and she was just stepping outside the room to do so.

So regardless of whether or not breastfeeding in public is "legal," are there times it is simply inappropriate to do so? Is it appropriate during church services? How about in the middle of a wedding ceremony?

While I do understand that many women want to breastfeed their baby and want to have the right to do when when necessary, do they really have the "right" to do it anywhere, and anytime the need arises? Or should these women actually take into consideration that there are some places where stepping out of the room is just the "right" thing to do?

ETA:

I hadn't realized there was a video attached, which prompted another question:

If a particluar place provides an area for breastfeeding (not the ladies bathroom), should a person be required to use that room as opposed to breastfeeding anywhere they choose at the facility?




I will personally build a courtroom for her.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:41:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

LOL.  Hey blushes, how would you like to come to my county on Friday docket day, and whip those people not paying attention into shape.  Including, but not limited to, the members of the bar who didn't get the memo that they are supposed to be giving their entire attention to the proceedings.
Hey, can you give me the cite for the court rule that requires people in the courtroom to give their "entire attention" to the proceedings?
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Because when you're in court, you're supposed to be giving your entire attention to the proceedings, as are the people around you. The preparations and what you're doing in between the feeding is distracting, whether someone else agrees or not. You don't put on makeup, text or breast feed when you're supposed to be paying attention. You also shouldn't do things that may distract those around you. Someone else's life may ride on the fact that there are no distractions.



Yep, attorneys (not surprisingly) get special privileges. Such as being able to be reading the files on the cases they are about to appear for.

How about citing the court rule that says people don't need to behave in a respectful manner and honor the decorum of the tribunal? Wanna take that one on?

Of course not, because court rules apply to those making the appearances, NOT about those sitting in the court forum, who may or may not have business with the court. The court rules apply to those who do.




windchymes -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:46:23 PM)

I'm just really disturbed at the idea that the simple act of breastfeeding a baby can get people so worked up, be it in court, in public, at home, whatever. Why is the idea so vile to some, that's what I don't get.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:48:14 PM)

But that is the point LL. What she was doing was neither disrespectful nor distracting. I continue to find many attorneys' behavior to be far more distracting and disrespectful than this.

And with that, I am bowing out of the conversation. This would never be an issue anywhere I practice, so I will never face the issue, personally. And I think some people (LL) are starting to take this topic waaayyy more seriously than it deserves.

Buh-bye.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:48:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheFireWithinMe

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At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?


Chrissie, it wasn't disrupting anything until the bailiff made a fuss. Fact is that if he had left well enough alone noone would have known anything was going on.

Furthermore, how can you seriously claim that breastfeeding takes so much attention that it's impossible to both breastfeed and pay attention to what's going on?


Again, try to hold your attention span to hear ALL sides of the story. Of course, this woman would never be embellishing at all, after all she is a nursing mother.




MadAxeman -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:48:40 PM)

My last poo was not sweet at all.
Am quite concerned.
Do I need to start breastfeeding?




LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:50:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

someone has a mighty big stick up their arse when so many laws cover breastfeeding women in public and private places, INCLUDING ALABAMA.
Does it rule out a court anywhere? traffic, family, criminal or civil??
someone show me a cite please?



How about you looking to see where the appearance was in ALABAMA. Your inability to comprehend would make showing you any cite irrelevant, as you can't comprehend a two minute video, it is unlikely you can fully comprehend legal citations or their ramifications.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:50:57 PM)

OK, one more post.
Sweety,, that is not going to work in this thread. This thread is deadly serious about a topic of serious national concern. Try going to the menopause and sex thread, and saying you are nude. That will be sure to get a laugh.
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ORIGINAL: MadAxeman

My last poo was not sweet at all.
Am quite concerned.
Do I need to start breastfeeding?




windchymes -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:51:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MadAxeman

My last poo was not sweet at all.
Am quite concerned.
Do I need to start breastfeeding?


There's gotta be someone around here who wants to forcibly lactate......[:D]

Don't be eyeballin' my boobs.......




xxblushesxx -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:51:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

I'm just really disturbed at the idea that the simple act of breastfeeding a baby can get people so worked up, be it in court, in public, at home, whatever. Why is the idea so vile to some, that's what I don't get.


I have no problem with breast feeding. None. The courtroom is not the place to do it. That is my entire premise. I do not find it vile. I have no problem with the human body, nor with human needs. I am only saying it didn't have to be done then and there. There were ways to mitigate it.




AneNoz -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:52:17 PM)

Also for me this is the question. My belief is that the cause is the effort in the past to promote bottle feeding in the Americas. A portion of that campaign effort was to stigmatize breastfeeding as a thing dirty, a thing done by the backward and uncouth. This campaign had small impact in Europe, and thus there is no such stigma with the activity. I have memories like unto crystal of women nursing not in church alone, but while receiving the Eucharist itself as well.

Be at peace
Aneka




windchymes -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:52:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

OK, one more post.
Sweety,, that is not going to work in this thread. This thread is deadly serious about a topic of serious national concern. Try going to the menopause and sex thread, and saying you are nude. That will be sure to get a laugh.
quote:

ORIGINAL: MadAxeman

My last poo was not sweet at all.
Am quite concerned.
Do I need to start breastfeeding?



Ah, sometimes we need a little comic relief around here [;)]




LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:52:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Doesn't mean anyone else in the courtroom gives a fuck.  On the contrary, they probably just wish you would shut up so their case can get called and they can get the hell out of there.
The judges are pretty good at screening out the noise.  I can't think of one judge I know who would quit paying attention to the proceedings in front of them because they are so distracted by the possibility of getting a glimpse of some lady's tit.
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

If you're in court for child custody, do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

If you're in court for something that could put you in jail for a few years do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?



And how many judges can you think of that will and HAVE commented on the behavior of people in the forum? Because I have certainly seen it happen.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:56:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

If you're in court for child custody, do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

If you're in court for something that could put you in jail for a few years do you feel that your life as you know it rides in the balance?

At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?


Let's actually look at the facts in this case according to the woman's posting and interviews:

1) she was at court about getting a ticket for not taking a boaters safety course (not child custody, no jail time but more of a municipal level court dealing with traffic tickets and the such)

2) she was sitting in the back of the courtroom (so the only people who could see her were sitting either next to her, across the aisle from her (also in the back of the courtroom), entering the courtroom, or were in the very front of the courtroom facing the back of the room.

3) She was appropriately covered and already nursing when her case was called and she asked for a moment to set herself to rights. The child is 5 months old so most likely she is still nursing on demand.


These are the facts according to the woman's post on the board that caused this blogging bruhaha.


I still fail to see how any of this would be distracting to anyone.



Are you kidding me?

She was NOT in municipal court.

She was NOT hoping to get a ticket fixed.

She was NOT even a party to the case.
She WAS there as a witness to someone else.

She WAS sitting in Superior or District court.

The case she was there for WAS being heard at the time.

When the bailiff approached her, she asked him whether or not they had called her, indicating she was clueless as to what was occuring around her, DURING the particular case she WAS there to be testifying in.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 7:56:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AneNoz

Also for me this is the question. My belief is that the cause is the effort in the past to promote bottle feeding in the Americas. A portion of that campaign effort was to stigmatize breastfeeding as a thing dirty, a thing done by the backward and uncouth. This campaign had small impact in Europe, and thus there is no such stigma with the activity. I have memories like unto crystal of women nursing not in church alone, but while receiving the Eucharist itself as well.

Be at peace
Aneka



I have no problem with people breast feeding in church.
If others are distracted in church, that is their own problem. If others are distracted in court, it could be a major problem for the person(s) whose case is being decided.




AneNoz -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 8:00:22 PM)

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There were ways to mitigate it.
this may or may not be as it is, this we do not know. But of more import, there was no need for mitigation. Breastfeeding one's child is an act of devotion, it is an act of obeisance, and act of worship. It is a holy thing, a thing sacred. It is an act of unification, a communion of our souls with one another and with the Gods. All suckled ere ever they did walk, even the Gods.

Be at peace
Aneka




LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 8:00:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed.
And Angelina? Or the disabled person who has a noisy compressor on his oxygen apparatus? Or simply the damned hot looking woman? Or the punk rock type with the 3' blue and green mohawk? Or the person with the severe facial deformity? Or the local politician? Or the group of bikers? All these people should have to leave or wait outside the courtroom on the off chance that they might distract somebody?

Don't you see just how ridiculous your argument is here?



And what makes you think that a good number of these people are NOT asked to wait outside?

Have you ever seen the inside of a United States courtroom, beyond watching something on television?

Have you ever appeared as a plaintiff or defendant in any court case?

Have you, beyond reading the internet, studied United States Law at all?

If you can't answer yes to all those questions, do you see how ridiculous it is for you to state with complete conviction and belief that anyone disagreeing with you has no clue?

I'm sure you can't, but hey, it must be nice being the source of all knowledge in your little Canadian world. Too bad it doesn't translate to the USA or actual facts.




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