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xssve -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 9:43:53 PM)
If the sight of a woman breast feeding gives you a bad moment, you probably need to see a psychiatrist 'cause you got issues. Welcome to the Monkey House.

Lucylastic -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 9:48:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic To me it is about the law when it comes to the right of a child to feed, and its mother feeding it. sensibilities against a hungry child, a hurting child a child that needs comforting sorry , doesnt fit in my book the laws to protectpregnant and breastfeeding women were fought for years ago and added to the books for a bloody good reason personal morality is too hard to legislate beyond equality and non discrimination. If you wanna ban it, you are gonna have to change the law. There are ways to mitigate this so the hungry, hurting, starving child does not have to be fed in court. There are ways to mitigate this. I've said this over and over. I didnt mean to come across as harsh Blushes, I get it, I do, I had a totally different background, different laws, different expectations and I sometimes forget im talking with people who have a very different outlook...you were not the object of my ire..

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 9:49:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama FR, Silly judge http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14389 Forty-five states, the District of Columbia and the Virgin Islands have laws that specifically allow women to breastfeed in any public or private location. (Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.) Yep, there is Alabama right up front. That is where she was FROM, the appearance, however, was in Michigan, which you will not is NOT on that list, and a judge could STILL say you couldn't in his court room, and ask you to leave. If you don't you will escorted out. The judge is immune from prosecution for that action. Although she is certainly free to file a complaint with his boss, another Judge on the matter. She isn't going to get a monetary award. She likely won't even get an apology.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 9:55:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel I haven't read all the pages of this thread but does anyone know why she was there, and what type of court it was? To me, this does make a difference in why it would be disruptive even if it wasn't being obstructive to the court continuing, if that makes sense. angel She was there because she had gotten a ticket for operating a boat without a boating safety course (she was unaware she needed the course). The child was there because he had an ear infection and his daycare wouldn't take him. How do you reach this conclusion? That has nothing to do with happened. She was testifying in a family court case, it had nothing to do with a boating ticket in municipal court. Are you reading a different article you found on your own? Can you read/listen to the video in the link? Go listen and if you come back here point out to me where they were on what you listened to.

xxblushesxx -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 9:57:05 PM)
I don't recall Sunny using quotes in threads that she was vigorously debating for quote of the day. Somehow, it doesn't seem quite kosher. (imo)

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:01:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AneNoz It will go as it would be expected to go. The judge will be angered but as I will be on the side of truth he will relent. If he should incarcerate me in the process of his relenting, my solicitors will force my release and the judge will be chastened and both poorer and the wiser for his efforts. How else could such a thing proceed. Be at peace Aneka You really do live in your own fantasy land. I thought that was just how you spoke. The judge will NOT relent someone telling him how to run HIS court and he will find you in contempt, which would be a fine since this is civil court. If you continue to argue with the judge, he may indeed toss you in lock up. Yes your solicitor (we call them lawyers or attorneys here in the US) will force your release when a bail is set and paid. If you pursue it, it would be with a complaint, not you having the misguided opportunity to go in and tell him how wrong he is again, but a complaint to his boss another judge. His boss MAY admonish him for his behavior, but he won't be a bit poorer but yours will for the contempt charge. If you really want to know how such a thing WOULD proceed beyond your fantasy, go study some cases and come back.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:05:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir I read what she had originally posted to the "mommy group" online. She was already feeding her child when her case came up. She asked for a moment (I presume to unlatch her child and straighten up her clothes) and when she saw the note the bailiff gave the judge she got upset. No when the bailiff approached her, she asked if her name had been called meaning was it time for her to testify, since she HAD NO CASE but was a witness. Since she was asking, obviously this particular woman is NOT able to pay attention and breastfeed at the same time. And you yourself state she got upset when she saw the bailiff hand the judge a note. Before it was she was upset because of what the judge said to her. You left out the part where he asked her if she thought it was appropriate and she what a judge could easily decide is a rude, disrespecful answer to the judge.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:06:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx I suspect we're only hearing less than half of the story. If you watch the video, the bailiff gives his explanation of what happened. Very different story than hers. But wait, he is 'BIG GOVERNMENT" so he must be the one to embellish, not possibly some okey from wiskoky did.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:14:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I've already seen that site, and it means very little. Because while she can rant and rave about how upset the whole thing has made here, she would have to take legal action for it to have any bearing. The bailiff and the judge are immune from prosecution, so perhaps you might want to look that up. Why are they immune from prosecution and wouldn't it be a civil suit anyway? A judge can call you a ninny in open court, you have no recourse. Your spouse likewise in a divorce proceeding can spout off in his papers a whole host of lies about you and he can't be prosecuted for it unless it creates certain damages (not emotional). You are free to do the same. What occurs in a court room. statements made are not prosecutable, it is in the rules, ask IASS to read them to you or look them up. There are methods for which complaints about judges can be made, but you can not file a civil suit against a judge for something he said during an appearance unless it was really bad and caused actual damage, not emotional damage. Before that is even done, a complaint against him must be filed and dealt with by the bar associations ethics committee. This isn't the OJ case where he wins and the families get to file civil suit. Totally different. The most she can hope for is that the judge is admonished and told not to do it again. He won't lose his seat on the bench and he won't be ordered to pay her a dime. Follow it and see. If you can find it after today, which is also unlikely.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:21:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic dammit laws by state regarding breast feeding and lactating moms, with stats on where it is allowable to feed public and private http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14389 I've already seen that site, and it means very little. Because while she can rant and rave about how upset the whole thing has made here, she would have to take legal action for it to have any bearing. The bailiff and the judge are immune from prosecution, so perhaps you might want to look that up. The judge probably is, LL but I'm not sure about the baliff. The bailiff is as well. He was taking reasonable measures to maintain the decorum of the judge's court room. The bailiff did NOT yell in her face according to her, the judge did. Serious egregious acts would have to occur for her to be able to get any suit off the ground and they don't exist here. She got her feelings hurt in a CLOSED court room, so the only people present were the parties she was supposed to testify for, their attorneys (if they had them) and court personnel. It wasn't a pack court room where she had to crawl over people (which by the way, with a baby, especially a SICK baby, you sit on the aisle so you can make a fast exit if you need to. Babies with ear infections also throw up. Not spit up, but actually vomit. They also can become inconsolable and noisy. A smart mother wants a clear path, so she sits on the aisle. Of course in an empty court room, she has a clear path. Again, I have health issues that often will cause me to have to step out of the court. The bailiff is made aware of this fact, and it has not been a problem. Not even when I have needed his assistance to do so. And before anyone asked, during those cases there is more than one bailiff in that court.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:26:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic and I dont care what you think of that site, if you can show me a legal ruling about courts being classed as out of bounds for breast feeding moms, AND show me the cites proving that particular site and the legal links to the laws on the actual books are wrong, I will continue to say that my right as a breastfeeding mother, entitles me to breastfeed when my child needs it. Would I? dunno I never had to, I have taken a baby to a funeral, not breastfed tho. I did it, I encourage it, I did it three times, ANd I will be vociferous in standing up for womens rights UNDER the law. If there is no law against women feeding in a law building, then they (baliff and judge) were wrong. Its that simple is it against the law or isnt it If its lawful...get it changed Because again, it isn't about whether it is legal. It is about whether it should be done in a court room where there are additional, unwritten rules that apply. It really is that simple. The judge nor the bailiff told her she was breaking the law, they said she needed to step out to breast feed so the proceedings could continue peacefully. It isn't YOUR job to determine if the proceedings could continue, and it isn't MY job. It is the JUDGE's job. He made a decision and his decision needs to be abided by. It really is that simple.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:30:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ishtarr If you're merely talking about something inappropriate, then why on Earth do you keep falling back to examples of things that are illegal? The kissing comparison is a much more apt one, but breastfeeding in a court room does NOT equate to having sex in a public park, and the fact that you would make that comparison to begin with is astonishing. You've also never gotten back to me on why on Earth you would feel that it's inappropriate for a woman to breastfeed in a church, when women have been doing it for thousands of years and currently still do it all over the world. You make it sound like it's a given that a woman wouldn't breastfeed in church, while for the vast vast vast majority of the history of churches, and still to this day in most countries, it's a given that a woman would breastfeed in church rather than miss the mass. BTW... I am the lady in the picture. Sorry, I thought "Ishtar" was the man in the picture, but my comment stands. As lovely as you look in that dress, it doesn't belong in a court room. The dress is not illegal (assuming the parts we dont' see continue to cover your crotch) but it isn't appropriate for a court room.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:35:04 PM)
Well I would hardly call my participation in this thread "vigorously debating". But, be that as it may, the quote was chosen using the guidelines given me by Sunny as to how to choose the SQotD <my participation or lack thereof in the thread that generated the quote isn't part of those guidelines>, nor does it address any of the issues I raised in this thread <something I do try to avoid doing>. If you don't like my choice, I'm sorry, but its not your call, its mine, and in my opinion, Aneka's remarks were the most noteworthy thing said on the boards today, which is what the SQotD is all about.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:36:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AneNoz quote: Once again, slowly, so you understand with a different comparison, more simplistic to fit those minds. Kissing and making out in public (fully clothed) is not illegal. But would be considered inappropriate in court. If this the case, how is it that you failed to so say? If it was a comparison to another legal act such as kissing in a court you wished to make, why was it a comparison to a thing not legal, such as engaging in public sex on a park bench, that you did make? My Beloved Helena has, I think seen the truth in this. It is that you place great import on your profession, and it is, in your eyes as a great and solemn thing, and it is to you as a slap to the face that others do not as well see the law as such. Nor see the courtroom as its temple. Often have I seen this with practitioners of the law, in the dedication to the ideal they lose themselves and so lose the sight for the truth that first drew them to their craft. The law is as a slave to the people, it is not the master to be served. The court is not as a temple for the recitation of truths, it is as a kitchen around which table the family gathers to correct its ills. It is a place for truth and justice, not a place of trickery and stratagem targeted upon manipulations. It is a place of challenge and passions, not a place for obeisance and surrender. It is the place of the rebel, and not so the conformist. Always must those who serve the law recall that the law is itself but a servant. It is for the court and the judge to be displaying respect for the people, for it is the people who rule, it is they who are as the master. Be at peace Aneka So while you have an ideal you believe a court to be, you don't understand what it really is. Yes, I am passionate about my profession. I don't expect others to be passionate about it as I am. What I do expect is for a bunch of people who have no working knowledge of how legal proceedings are carried out to not be so ignorant as to state that they can do whatever they want and will fight the court and make them see their errors of their ways. That is a fantasy that if you ever try to live out you will be sorely disappointed with because your "ideal" of who is slave and who is master doesn't exist. By the way, the court doesn't recognize nor follow the whole slave thing, that is left for people to live in their personal lives. But please, do go to court and tell the judge he is but a slave to the people and see how it goes.

Ishtarr -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:36:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Sorry, I thought "Ishtar" was the man in the picture, but my comment stands. As lovely as you look in that dress, it doesn't belong in a court room. The dress is not illegal (assuming the parts we dont' see continue to cover your crotch) but it isn't appropriate for a court room. You're avoiding the questions again. If you really feel this strongly about this, then why do you shy away from debating it from a logical point of few, keep all your arguments purely emotional, and ignore all attempts to a logical debate? If you know you are just talking about something you think is inappropriate and not illegal, then why did you compare breastfeeding with an illegal act instead of just an inappropriate one? Why do you feel that breastfeeding in church, something women all over the world have done for thousands of years and continue to do to this day, is inappropriate?

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:38:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic To me it is about the law when it comes to the right of a child to feed, and its mother feeding it. sensibilities against a hungry child, a hurting child a child that needs comforting sorry , doesnt fit in my book the laws to protectpregnant and breastfeeding women were fought for years ago and added to the books for a bloody good reason personal morality is too hard to legislate beyond equality and non discrimination. If you wanna ban it, you are gonna have to change the law. So if her hurting child started screaming at the top of her lungs (your example expanded), the woman shouldn't have gotten up because her "right" legally is to sit there? I don't think so.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:40:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Gonna toss out another thing that MIGHT have someting to do with the topic. In a lot of small towns, including mine, bailiffs are older (read Wal Mart greeter age) retired police officers/constables that want to stay in the business as it were. What do you think the possibilities are that this was an elderly bailiff that was more easily offended by things such as breast feeding than someone under 50 might be? To the generation before mine, and a lot of My generation, showing skin is immoral. My understanding of the article is that it wasn't the judge that had the initial problem but the bailiff. I will still contend that bringing a baby with an ear infection to a courtroom is just begging for trouble but if she was ordred there, she had no choice. It wasn't municipal court in a small town. This would have been your county court, commonly known as Superior or District court. Not an old man fighting to not retire.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:45:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AneNoz Also for me this is the question. My belief is that the cause is the effort in the past to promote bottle feeding in the Americas. A portion of that campaign effort was to stigmatize breastfeeding as a thing dirty, a thing done by the backward and uncouth. This campaign had small impact in Europe, and thus there is no such stigma with the activity. I have memories like unto crystal of women nursing not in church alone, but while receiving the Eucharist itself as well. Be at peace Aneka Really? You have something to back that up? Formula was developed because it was believed to have more control over the nutrients supplied to the baby. We are led to believe baby food is what they need to be fed when they start eating, but that isn't what I fed my son. He ate what we ate (after it went through the food processor to account for his lack of teeth). But please do provide us with something more factual than you simply saying America was trying to stigmatize the idea of breast feeding.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 10:48:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady And how many judges can you think of that will and HAVE commented on the behavior of people in the forum? I have most certainly judged your behavior: it lacks nobility. Now on to more serious business: There is this female judge with a suckeling (sic!) child. As any caring mother does, she brings the crumb to her work to keep an eye on it. Is there any objection to her holding the crumb in her arms while judging a case? How about breast-feeding it while she listens to the testimony of the alleged murderer? Simply trying to proof you lack common sense? No she isn't even allowed to bring her baby to work and have it on the bench with her.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 11:01:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather As to my graduating high school, well I will shortly, a year later than normal, something I am quite proud of given that I dropped out of high school in grade 10 because I ran away from home because I was being sexually abused by my uncle. A situation in which my parents were complicit. As soon as I found a settled place to live, I re-enrolled and I will be graduating in the spring, and attending university in the fall. <I've already been accepted at 3> The fact that you feel throwing this in my face will in some way insult me or diminish me in the eyes of anybody shows just how little you understand me, or human nature. Repeatedly reminding everybody that I have overcome a bad situation with a minimum of disruption to my education is more of a compliment than anything else. And since I will be covering the material from grades 10, 11, & 12 in the span of a single year to the satisfaction of at least three major universities, you are in fact publicly affirming that I am actually very intelligent. I'm sure that this wasn't your intention, but that's OK by me, I'll accept your inadvertant praise with good grace. Thank you LafayetteLady, that was kind of you to repeatedly say publicly that I was very intelligent like that. Heather you have no idea what I think. I think you have great potential from an intellectual standpoint. But what you do around here is not the appropriate way to make a point and until you learn how to do that,e you won't get far in those universities. Your typical position is "no that is not right, this is right. Those of you who think that is right are ridiculous, asinine, etc. That IS the behavior of a tenth grader who has not yet learned how to present a valid argument and you don't. Personally I don't care that you were molested by your uncle and your parents did nothing about. That is one sob story out of a thousand on here and not even close to the worst story. Should we give you props for not becoming a drug addicted porn star given what you went through? You could be accepted at 10 universities in Canada, but once there you need to learn how to present a paper that actually makes a point without being argumentative or taking the low road against your opponents. You started out as a very well spoken young lady. You have descended into an angry young lady who will say anything to make herself seem more right, more important and smarter than anyone else posting. That may get you points at home, but it won't score well with university professors. Know why? They tend to be like judges and when in their class room, you do what they say, how they say when they say. Of course you are free to choose not to but then you won't stay very long and would miss a really great experience. Learning how to present your points and argue them from Hannah is not the best idea in the world.

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