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Real0ne -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 11:11:35 PM)

and demonizing breastfeeding because you "feel" it is inappropriate is what?

Making an argument?

ZZZZzzzzzzz

I think people who make ridiculous arguments designed to have yet more gubberment up our asses shouldnt have the right to breath in public and cause the rest of us a mental disturbance.

You like a couple others are a rights terrorist.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 11:22:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

As to my graduating high school, well I will shortly, a year later than normal, something I am quite proud of given that I dropped out of high school in grade 10 because I ran away from home because I was being sexually abused by my uncle. A situation in which my parents were complicit. As soon as I found a settled place to live, I re-enrolled and I will be graduating in the spring, and attending university in the fall. <I've already been accepted at 3>

The fact that you feel throwing this in my face will in some way insult me or diminish me in the eyes of anybody shows just how little you understand me, or human nature. Repeatedly reminding everybody that I have overcome a bad situation with a minimum of disruption to my education is more of a compliment than anything else. And since I will be covering the material from grades 10, 11, & 12 in the span of a single year to the satisfaction of at least three major universities, you are in fact publicly affirming that I am actually very intelligent.

I'm sure that this wasn't your intention, but that's OK by me, I'll accept your inadvertant praise with good grace.

Thank you LafayetteLady, that was kind of you to repeatedly say publicly that I was very intelligent like that.



Personally I don't care that you were molested by your uncle and your parents did nothing about. That is one sob story out of a thousand on here and not even close to the worst story. Should we give you props for not becoming a drug addicted porn star given what you went through?


I give you props for showing everyone how evil you are. Karma is a bitch and you're long overdue.




Ishtarr -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 11:41:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

and demonizing breastfeeding because you "feel" it is inappropriate is what?

Making an argument?

ZZZZzzzzzzz



I second that, I haven't seen her make a single rational -let alone valid- argument yet.

Heather may have made an emotional judgement as well, but unlike LafayetteLady, her emotional response WAS coupled to an actual argument instead of comprised entirely out of "I feel this way, therefore everybody should" statements.




SweetCheri -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/15/2011 11:56:33 PM)

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You're avoiding the questions again.
She has done so with every question asked of her.




Rule -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 12:21:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
the JUDGE's job. He made a decision and his decision needs to be abided by. It really is that simple.

Sure. But this thread was and is not about the judge's decision. This thread was about it not being appropriate to breast-feed in a court room - and that is another fish entirely.




SweetCheri -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 1:07:19 AM)

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Your typical position is "no that is not right, this is right.

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Those of you who think that is right are ridiculous, asinine, etc. That IS the behavior of a tenth grader who has not yet learned how to present a valid argument

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taking the low road against your opponents.

Do you mean things like this?
Well, that would be one reason you aren't a judge.
Or this?
I don't really pay attention to the usually argumentative idiots who post just for the sake of taking a stance against me.
Or this?
Of course, this statement would be why you and your gang tend to get laughed at by real people with actual knowledge.
Or this?
Typically the same people who are so "I will breastfeed where ever and when ever I choose," are the same people who will take a condescending attitude towards those who don't breastfeed, with complete disregard as to the possibilities that breastfeeding may have not been an option for them.
Or this?
It is your legal right to be a lesbian and your legal right to have sex. Should I have to watch you having sex on a park bench? For the record, I don't care to see ANYONE regardless of sexual preference having sex on a park bench, before you attempt (foolishly) to make an issue of that.
Or this?
Actually, your lack of understanding is obvious here.
Or this?
Obviously, you have not been taught about proper social conventions yourself
Or this?
Are you really that ignorant or argumentative?
Or this?
It is neither my fault nor problem if her (and you) fail to grasp those answers.
Or this?
you KNOW that your points here are full of holes.
Or this?
At what point will you realize that will never win you an argument or garner you respect as someone who can adequately and intelligently get her point across?
Or this?
You would not be among those that would ever be permitted to decide on an argument, so I'm not terribly concerned.
Or this?
Once again, slowly, so you understand
Or this?
The beauty of where I live is that ignorant people like you don't get to decide what is "improper" for me.
Or this?
Needless to say, being familiar with a good number of your posts, you really aren't in a position to be talking about who could make a shrink rich.
Or this?
so perhaps you might want to look that up.
Or this?
Your ignorance stated with such confidence is amusing at best.
Or this?
Of course, I would never expect someone who isn't from the country and was a teenage high school drop out to actually KNOW what they were talking about
Or this?
You do understand the difference between "legal" and "appropriate," do you not?
Or this?
Ah yes, now you are an expert in American citizens as well as our legal system.
Or this?
But I get it, you don't really care or know these things.
Or this?
After all, these people aren't concerned about other's rights, only their own desire/right to do as they please.
Or this?
Funny, it would seem that would make most of them (and probably has a good few of them) quite familiar with what goes on in a court room.
Or this?
Why on earth should you have graduated high school?
Or this?
As to your rather stupid and uninformed comment
Or this?
I'm sure in due time you will find yourself as a defendant for one thing or another. You will likely sit like a scared kitten when that time comes.
Or this?
You just let your obnoxious, ignorant side out on line where you feel you have more control over the confrontation. Not surprising.
Or this?
Again, try to hold your attention span to hear ALL sides of the story. Of course, this woman would never be embellishing at all, after all she is a nursing mother.
Or this?
Your inability to comprehend would make showing you any cite irrelevant, as you can't comprehend a two minute video, it is unlikely you can fully comprehend legal citations or their ramifications.
Or this?
do you see how ridiculous it is for you to state with complete conviction and belief that anyone disagreeing with you has no clue?
Or this?
I'm sure you can't, but hey, it must be nice being the source of all knowledge in your little Canadian world.
Or this?
Ok, I realize there is obvious cultural difference, which honestly is surprising. Where until quite recently (historically), the "decorum" of a court room included putting on silly white wigs?
Or this?
I get it, women breast feed everywhere in the UK with complete disregard for their surroundings and everyone must accept it or keep quiet.
Or this?
Then again, she is from Alabama, appearing in Michigan, so they probably moved too fast for her.
Or this?
That would be a misperception, but you are entitled to it.
Or this?
Learn a little facts about the judicial system before making assumptions on how you think it should be.
Or this?
But there has been no explanation why she didn't feel the need to step out, other than the every popular, "I'm a nursing mother which absolves me of all rules, respect and decorum."
Or this?
You really do live in your own fantasy land. I thought that was just how you spoke.
Or this?
But wait, he is 'BIG GOVERNMENT" so he must be the one to embellish, not possibly some okey from wiskoky did.
Or this?
By the way, the court doesn't recognize nor follow the whole slave thing, that is left for people to live in their personal lives. But please, do go to court and tell the judge he is but a slave to the people and see how it goes.
Or this?
But please do provide us with something more factual than you simply saying America was trying to stigmatize the idea of breast feeding.
Or this?
Simply trying to proof you lack common sense?
Or this?
Personally I don't care that you were molested by your uncle and your parents did nothing about. That is one sob story out of a thousand on here and not even close to the worst story. Should we give you props for not becoming a drug addicted porn star given what you went through?
Or this?
You could be accepted at 10 universities in Canada
Or this?
Learning how to present your points and argue them from Hannah is not the best idea in the world.




Rule -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 1:39:55 AM)

I am impressed by your diligent effort in compiling this case history, SC.

Perhaps LL is grumpy because of her diabetic condition?




SixMore2Go -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 1:43:05 AM)

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Personally I don't care that you were molested by your uncle and your parents did nothing about. That is one sob story out of a thousand on here and not even close to the worst story. Should we give you props for not becoming a drug addicted porn star given what you went through?

So I finally manages to sign in and I sees this bit on the wee As the Collar Turns box and needed to see what was what, right?

So I see the other post with all your quotations below and I'm left with but a one conclusion here: Gor! But you're a nasty unpleasant piece of work aren't you? So who was it pissed in your oatmeal this morning woman? I'd say you need a good fucking, but buggered if I'd use me own dick for that. Lord lifting woman, you prattling on and on about decorum and all and carrying on such as you have here, well the mind fairly boggles now doesn't it?




Rule -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 1:43:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetCheri
Needless to say, being familiar with a good number of your posts, you really aren't in a position to be talking about who could make a shrink rich.

I missed the post this one appeared in. Priceless! [sm=alien.gif]




SixMore2Go -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 1:45:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I am impressed by your diligent effort in compiling this case history, SC.

Perhaps LL is grumpy because of her diabetic condition?
Oh aye, that's impressive stuff now, isn't it?




TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 3:06:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: TheFireWithinMe

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At what point is it ok to do something in court that may be distracting for others and possibly cause someone not to have their case heard fairly?


Chrissie, it wasn't disrupting anything until the bailiff made a fuss. Fact is that if he had left well enough alone noone would have known anything was going on.

Furthermore, how can you seriously claim that breastfeeding takes so much attention that it's impossible to both breastfeed and pay attention to what's going on?


Again, try to hold your attention span to hear ALL sides of the story. Of course, this woman would never be embellishing at all, after all she is a nursing mother.

Free translation: can't answer the questions so I'm going to throw out an insult. Gotcha!




kalikshama -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 4:50:58 AM)

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Formula was developed because it was believed to have more control over the nutrients supplied to the baby


Bah, formula was developed to create a market and sell a product.




kalikshama -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 4:52:30 AM)

Good job Cheri!

[sm=applause.gif]




angelikaJ -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 5:04:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


quote:

ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

As to my graduating high school, well I will shortly, a year later than normal, something I am quite proud of given that I dropped out of high school in grade 10 because I ran away from home because I was being sexually abused by my uncle. A situation in which my parents were complicit. As soon as I found a settled place to live, I re-enrolled and I will be graduating in the spring, and attending university in the fall. <I've already been accepted at 3>

The fact that you feel throwing this in my face will in some way insult me or diminish me in the eyes of anybody shows just how little you understand me, or human nature. Repeatedly reminding everybody that I have overcome a bad situation with a minimum of disruption to my education is more of a compliment than anything else. And since I will be covering the material from grades 10, 11, & 12 in the span of a single year to the satisfaction of at least three major universities, you are in fact publicly affirming that I am actually very intelligent.

I'm sure that this wasn't your intention, but that's OK by me, I'll accept your inadvertant praise with good grace.

Thank you LafayetteLady, that was kind of you to repeatedly say publicly that I was very intelligent like that.



Heather you have no idea what I think. I think you have great potential from an intellectual standpoint. But what you do around here is not the appropriate way to make a point and until you learn how to do that,e you won't get far in those universities. Your typical position is "no that is not right, this is right. Those of you who think that is right are ridiculous, asinine, etc. That IS the behavior of a tenth grader who has not yet learned how to present a valid argument and you don't.

Personally I don't care that you were molested by your uncle and your parents did nothing about. That is one sob story out of a thousand on here and not even close to the worst story. Should we give you props for not becoming a drug addicted porn star given what you went through?

You could be accepted at 10 universities in Canada, but once there you need to learn how to present a paper that actually makes a point without being argumentative or taking the low road against your opponents. You started out as a very well spoken young lady. You have descended into an angry young lady who will say anything to make herself seem more right, more important and smarter than anyone else posting. That may get you points at home, but it won't score well with university professors. Know why? They tend to be like judges and when in their class room, you do what they say, how they say when they say. Of course you are free to choose not to but then you won't stay very long and would miss a really great experience.

Learning how to present your points and argue them from Hannah is not the best idea in the world.


You know, having read this post and the one below it by cheri, I can see why some people could easily perceive a bullying attitude by you. I am actually surprised (and saddened) by this.

No one who has experienced molestation should have to face derision for simply telling what happened. That is why that Secret is too often kept a secret and subsequently why abuse continues.

LL I don't think Heather is "an angry young lady", I do think however that she is rather fed up with posters like you.


Edit to fix typo and thanks!




kalikshama -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 5:17:22 AM)

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GreedyTop -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 5:23:15 AM)

JELLIE!! *hugs*




Rule -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 5:53:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
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ORIGINAL: Rule
A lot of them USA people are conditioned (i.e. brainwashed) to regard naked skin as a sexual, reprehensible act.

Ah yes, now you are an expert in American citizens as well as our legal system. Got it.

I am neither. Actually, unfortunately, I appear to be getting something of an expert on you.




barelynangel -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 6:37:47 AM)

I don't think it's appropriate. It could be I work in the legal system but I also don't think it's appropriate to breastfeed while a woman is at work if she was in a meeting with clients etc. I also don't think disapproving of a woman breastfeeding in certain situations means one is demonizing it. There are many things the human body does, breast feeding for women is just one thing, that is natural it doesnt mean doing those things in certain situations is appropriate.

All in all I think the chief judge said it best in the op link.

No one here knows the full story and to be outraged without knOwing same is perhaps showing a bias instead of actually judging the facts of the case.

Personally I think her hysterics of humiliation and tears are more a result of the attention she is garnering and makes for good story.

Angel




barelynangel -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 6:48:49 AM)

Rule, the us has their culture. Just as other countries do. But it is interesting that many people bitching at LL live out of the US or was not raised in the US. Here in the us a woman breastfeeding does in fact cause a double take so to speak. So it does stand to reason while it may not cause an obstructive disruption it is something that people notice as unusual. That in and of itself can make it inappropriate in some situations. Just as talking would or such. It is not so much what she was doing it's the unusualness that could cause a shift of attention.

People here can get their panties in a twist because in the US it's is unusual enough to be an oddity but not taking that into consideration as to how it may cause a distubance that it may be inappropriate in some situations is a bias of applying other cultures standards of what is normal to this situation

I will say this in the state this happened there is no law protecting women who breast feed from discrimination. THIS in and of itself should be noted when attempting to apply standards that don't exist to a situation.

Angel




VirginPotty -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/16/2011 6:58:40 AM)

I had decided yesterday that I wasn't going to post on this thread anymore but during my drive home last night it was preying on my mind the nasty analogy that I used & I wanted to apologize for using that regarding this topic.  I stand by my opinons but I could have just used a better way to get my point across. 

Thanks to those that responded in an intelligent manner and actually made some valid points reg. bottle vs. breast. (Poverty factor never entered into my mind)
Again, I do apologize.

Carry on with the debate, it makes for interesting reading.




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