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Real0ne -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 11:06:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
And yes, considering that there is nothing that states that breastfeeding in court is illegal, and it's solely up to the judge, they could hang up a sign to state that it wouldn't be allowed.



The judge DOES NOT OWN that property! 

He has no LEGITIMATE authority to make any such claim!

I could put up a sign right over the top of his that says breastfeeding allowed.   Now what?

If I paid one cent of taxes ever in my life I am now by the contract am an equal SHAREHOLDER in the ownership of that property, hence it now requires a statute or that judge is in violation of his office and subject to tort and criminal proceedings as such.

Do you advocate judges creating law from the bench which is outside their granted authority or didnt you realize that is what that would be?

(when people act and think like slaves trust me THEY WILL BE treated like slaves!!!)







I'm by NO MEANS saying that a judge should be allowed to decide over such things. I don't think they should.
But then again, I also think that most of the times I've seen somebody be held in contempt was purely criminal behavior on the judge's part.

I agree that is should be a woman's right to breastfeed in court -if breastfeeding in public is legal- but I at the same time realize that it doesn't work that way.
What should and shouldn't be the case rarely applies when a judge decides to play god in his own courtroom.
I would therefore always go from the assumption that he'll take things in a worst case scenario, and wouldn't breastfeed in court myself.




ok but there is something critical that needs be understood here.

it is NOT the judges courtroom and it is NOT the judges court.

People, (judges et al included)  have been programmed so effectively its very hard to wrap ones mind around this.

The plaintiff sets up "HIS" court, it is the "plaintiff's" court, unless a jury is involved and then it is the Jury's court!

It originate in the King with his retinue (bondholders) and the courtiers.

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court:

5. Persons who compose the retinue or council of a king or emperor.

6. The persons or judges assembled for hearing and deciding causes, civil, criminal, military, naval or ecclesiastical; as a court of law; a court of chancery; a court martial; a court of admiralty; an ecclesiastical court; court baron; &c. Hence,

7. Any jurisdiction, civil, military, or ecclesiastical.


commercial is generically admiralty, chancery, maritime etc.

The king who was always the plaintiff, would hear the cases as the court and judge originally, then he gave special privileges to a group of people who studied law and the group would decide cases for the king, at least making it "appear" to be more legitimate.

Judges under the United States are commercial, you will note in the 7th that:

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"In Suits at common law, (which has been abolished by statute as a so called right of the state, except for narrow circumstances) where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."


all courts on public property are courts of the united states, note they all have a us flag and a state flag flying in them.

note that they do not say they are the final arbiter of the law!   It is unsaid but that also belongs to the jury!

I posted several times where supreme courts justices said that the law IS in the hands of the people, which is true but they have put up the gaurd dogs and you will never get past it and there is no way to enforce it because the only one who enforces law is the united states and it is their corporate commercial law that gets enforced under the name policy.




Ishtarr -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 11:09:40 AM)


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it is NOT the judges courtroom and it is NOT the judges court.



I understand that, the judges, in the courtrooms I've been in, do not.




tazzygirl -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 11:15:43 AM)


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There's so much anger and bitterness in this thread, and I'm not entirely sure why.


For whatever reason every thread that treads into public breast feeding seems to be very contentious.
People have very strong opinions on the rightness of it.
And my bias is I don't understand those who speak out so strongly against it that the solutions they offer are using a public restroom, bottle feeding or simply staying home.





I dont want to use a public restroom for the purpose its there for. Most are simply nasty. Last thing I would want to do is breastfeed my child in one.




Real0ne -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 11:27:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

it is NOT the judges courtroom and it is NOT the judges court.



I understand that, the judges, in the courtrooms I've been in, do not.


yep all these matters of abortion etc should have been heard by an ecclesiastical court based on the religion of the party(s) NOT the secular commercial court of the US.

Well we have been buffalo'd since the beginning as it always was the high IQ's raping the low IQ's or those who lack the knowlege of what they were doing.

Well the internet is evening that score.

and even with that no matter what one brings before they court they again through bullshit construction "construe" everyone to be a citizen and UNDER their control, OR they claim rights by  trespass by noncitizens.

They created a nice circular reasoning law platform by which they always win the people will always lose.




agirl -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 11:39:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

There's so much anger and bitterness in this thread, and I'm not entirely sure why.


For whatever reason every thread that treads into public breast feeding seems to be very contentious.
People have very strong opinions on the rightness of it.
And my bias is I don't understand those who speak out so strongly against it that the solutions they offer are using a public restroom, bottle feeding or simply staying home.





Despite asking, I've not had a reply as to *why* breastfeeding is bothersome when out and about.

I get the impression that even if you had a baby tucked under a burkha, if someone somehow knew you were feeding, they'd have the same reaction as if you were sat naked from the waist up, and feeding....lol

It seems to be the *thought* of it.  Despite a few people indicating that flesh is barely, if at all, visable, the responses do not change.

It'd be far more interesting to hear WHY it's viewed in the way it is, by those that find it repugnant, but the posts tend to be limited to * Not in public*, * Do it at home* * Use a bottle*  * I don't want to see it* or * Don't subject me to it*.

agirl







LaTigresse -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 11:42:48 AM)

I think that so many people see breasts as something sexual that a child latching onto one freaks them out. I don't get it and I think that the people that freak about it are pretty much mentally fucked up in some way.........but meh......I breast fed my kids, it's legal, I don't care what a bunch of emotionally retarded twits think.




GreedyTop -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 11:44:08 AM)

good questions, agirl..

granted, I am not a parent.. but assuming the law in my jurisdiction said breast feeding was legal in public.. as long as I wasnt whipping my tit out for all the world to see... then what is the issue?




agirl -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 12:01:18 PM)

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Ok, I think we all get the gist that a celebrity might cause other people to be a bit twattish.......... but who is interested in some run of the mill girl feeding her baby?

No-one has yet answered this...... was she breaking a law? Was she doing something wrong, legally? Or is it just a matter of *feeling* it's not the right thing to do?

Surely in court of all places, that matters?

agirl



Ok, I realize there is obvious cultural difference, which honestly is surprising. Where until quite recently (historically), the "decorum" of a court room included putting on silly white wigs?

Surely in a court, there are some things one just shouldn't do. Not because it is "illegal" but because it is inappropriate for that particular environment.

I get it, women breast feed everywhere in the UK with complete disregard for their surroundings and everyone must accept it or keep quiet. Not here.


Just an aside.....In the Crown Court in the UK, wigs and gowns are worn.Not so in a Magistrate's Court.

You don't *get it* at all, mainly because your sarcasm gets the better of you, you misconstrue and only *hear* portions of what is posted.

agirl





LaTigresse -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 12:06:10 PM)

So funny.........
"I get it, women breast feed everywhere in the UK with complete disregard for their surroundings and everyone must accept it or keep quiet. Not here."

Unless I am mistaken, that 'here' is only a few miles from my 'here' and I certainly have seen women breastfeeding in all sorts of surroundings and people generally do tend to accept it and keep quiet. Although most people are not even aware it is being done.

Even in church!!!! **gasp!!**






abusetoi -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 12:07:14 PM)

Children shouldn't be in the courtroom unless they are either the plaintiff or the defendant, period. That's what babysitters or family are for, folks. If you have no family, or are broke and can't afford a babysitter, then you've got bigger problems than trying to fend off people who don't want to see breastfeeding in court, or hear baby slurping sounds in court (my God, already). Are we not a civilized society? The courtroom is no place for breastfeeding or children in general.

If you *can't afford* a sitter, then you need to get to work on getting your finances to the point where you CAN afford a sitter. If you have a child that require a sitter, then you NEED to be able to afford a sitter, otherwise, you can't afford to have a child. Children are not inexpensive to have or raise and you need to THINK about these things before having sex. So many people are so irresponsible anymore and unfortunately for them and the rest of us, they seem to think it's ok to be irresponsible, being all too ready to spew excuses for why this that and the other isn't their fault; that they're a victim of circumstance. Bullshit. You're an adult and are expected to act like one. Leave the excuses at the door; they're not welcome here. Start thinking *CAN* do, instead of *CAN'T* do.




GreedyTop -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 12:10:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: abusetoi

Children shouldn't be in the courtroom unless they are either the plaintiff or the defendant, period. That's what babysitters or family are for, folks. If you have no family, or are broke and can't afford a babysitter, then you've got bigger problems than trying to fend off people who don't want to see breastfeeding in court, or hear baby slurping sounds in court (my God, already). Are we not a civilized society? The courtroom is no place for breastfeeding or children in general.

If you *can't afford* a sitter, then you need to get to work on getting your finances to the point where you CAN afford a sitter. If you have a child that require a sitter, then you NEED to be able to afford a sitter, otherwise, you can't afford to have a child. Children are not inexpensive to have or raise and you need to THINK about these things before having sex. So many people are so irresponsible anymore and unfortunately for them and the rest of us, they seem to think it's ok to be irresponsible, being all too ready to spew excuses for why this that and the other isn't their fault; that they're a victim of circumstance. Bullshit. You're an adult and are expected to act like one. Leave the excuses at the door; they're not welcome here. Start thinking *CAN* do, instead of *CAN'T* do.



fuck you and your entitled ass.




Ishtarr -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 12:16:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: abusetoi

Children shouldn't be in the courtroom unless they are either the plaintiff or the defendant, period. That's what babysitters or family are for, folks. If you have no family, or are broke and can't afford a babysitter, then you've got bigger problems than trying to fend off people who don't want to see breastfeeding in court, or hear baby slurping sounds in court (my God, already). Are we not a civilized society? The courtroom is no place for breastfeeding or children in general.

If you *can't afford* a sitter, then you need to get to work on getting your finances to the point where you CAN afford a sitter. If you have a child that require a sitter, then you NEED to be able to afford a sitter, otherwise, you can't afford to have a child. Children are not inexpensive to have or raise and you need to THINK about these things before having sex. So many people are so irresponsible anymore and unfortunately for them and the rest of us, they seem to think it's ok to be irresponsible, being all too ready to spew excuses for why this that and the other isn't their fault; that they're a victim of circumstance. Bullshit. You're an adult and are expected to act like one. Leave the excuses at the door; they're not welcome here. Start thinking *CAN* do, instead of *CAN'T* do.


She HAS a sitter. Her baby generally goes to daycare, but was sick that day, and the daycare wouldn't take the baby.
If she had to be in court at a specific time, and didn't count on the daycare not taking the baby, it's perfectly possible that she simple did not have the time to arrange a sitter at such a short notice.
The fact that she had the baby with had NOTHING to do with her finances, and EVERYTHING with the baby being sick unexpectedly.




agirl -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 12:40:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: abusetoi

Children shouldn't be in the courtroom unless they are either the plaintiff or the defendant, period. That's what babysitters or family are for, folks. If you have no family, or are broke and can't afford a babysitter, then you've got bigger problems than trying to fend off people who don't want to see breastfeeding in court, or hear baby slurping sounds in court (my God, already). Are we not a civilized society? The courtroom is no place for breastfeeding or children in general.

If you *can't afford* a sitter, then you need to get to work on getting your finances to the point where you CAN afford a sitter. If you have a child that require a sitter, then you NEED to be able to afford a sitter, otherwise, you can't afford to have a child. Children are not inexpensive to have or raise and you need to THINK about these things before having sex. So many people are so irresponsible anymore and unfortunately for them and the rest of us, they seem to think it's ok to be irresponsible, being all too ready to spew excuses for why this that and the other isn't their fault; that they're a victim of circumstance. Bullshit. You're an adult and are expected to act like one. Leave the excuses at the door; they're not welcome here. Start thinking *CAN* do, instead of *CAN'T* do.


There are many things in your post that show a distinct lack of understanding about the fact that families can have the most wonderful childcare, family and so on but that doesn't mean that on the odd occasion that can fail. No parent can operate on a failsafe sitter system. Life and its vagaries ensure that.

It's has nothing to do with irresponsibility, for those people at those times. Full stop.

Of course there are irresponsible parents around, but shame on you for tarring all with the same brush.

agirl






Real0ne -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 12:55:09 PM)



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ARREST THAT BITCH!






agirl -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 12:57:34 PM)

Shouldn't she have four calves swinging from those udderly uddersome udders?.......lol

agirl




Real0ne -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 1:01:20 PM)


if you have not already noticed, people in the US have no clue what rights are, and btw, you have more rights in the UK than we do here because for most people here the constitution is nothing more than asswipe.

Its what they selfishly "feel" that should be law.

and FYI, no one here has ever voted on any amendment, the courts claim its a contract between the states and feds when it suits them and when it doesnt then they switch it up.

you are far better off as a subject of the king/queen than of the lunatic whimsical so called people.  which is reality is nothing more than a group of mobsters running what they would like us to believe is government.   But then I digress, who ever has the biggest guns is gubbermint




Real0ne -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 1:08:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: abusetoi

Children shouldn't be in the courtroom unless they are either the plaintiff or the defendant, period. That's what babysitters or family are for, folks. If you have no family, or are broke and can't afford a babysitter, then you've got bigger problems than trying to fend off people who don't want to see breastfeeding in court, or hear baby slurping sounds in court (my God, already). Are we not a civilized society? The courtroom is no place for breastfeeding or children in general.

If you *can't afford* a sitter, then you need to get to work on getting your finances to the point where you CAN afford a sitter. If you have a child that require a sitter, then you NEED to be able to afford a sitter, otherwise, you can't afford to have a child. Children are not inexpensive to have or raise and you need to THINK about these things before having sex. So many people are so irresponsible anymore and unfortunately for them and the rest of us, they seem to think it's ok to be irresponsible, being all too ready to spew excuses for why this that and the other isn't their fault; that they're a victim of circumstance. Bullshit. You're an adult and are expected to act like one. Leave the excuses at the door; they're not welcome here. Start thinking *CAN* do, instead of *CAN'T* do.



fuck you and your entitled ass.



well then if the court demands no titties then they should recess until titty time is over.  a mother has the right to feed her child what she wishes and if its titty then its titty.

for those who bottle feed then the court can appoint free of charge a court babysitter to bottle feed the child since after all it is the so called court who wishes not to see titty, then THEY can pay for what they demand.

Same thing for mowing your lawn.  If the city demands the lawn to be mowed and write ya up send them a fucking bill and when they dont pay it take them to court and lien them for nonpayment of their order.

Hell we can play commercial games too!  heh heh






outlier -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 1:10:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: abusetoi

Children shouldn't be in the courtroom unless they are either the plaintiff or the defendant, period. That's what babysitters or family are for, folks. If you have no family, or are broke and can't afford a babysitter, then you've got bigger problems than trying to fend off people who don't want to see breastfeeding in court, or hear baby slurping sounds in court (my God, already). Are we not a civilized society? The courtroom is no place for breastfeeding or children in general.

If you *can't afford* a sitter, then you need to get to work on getting your finances to the point where you CAN afford a sitter. If you have a child that require a sitter, then you NEED to be able to afford a sitter, otherwise, you can't afford to have a child. Children are not inexpensive to have or raise and you need to THINK about these things before having sex. So many people are so irresponsible anymore and unfortunately for them and the rest of us, they seem to think it's ok to be irresponsible, being all too ready to spew excuses for why this that and the other isn't their fault; that they're a victim of circumstance. Bullshit. You're an adult and are expected to act like one. Leave the excuses at the door; they're not welcome here. Start thinking *CAN* do, instead of *CAN'T* do.



fuck you and your entitled ass.


GT,

I know you say in your profile that you are neither dominant or submissive; but I
have to tell you that if you do not quit being so wishy washy in your posts we will
never know what your feelings are.

Outlier 




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 1:13:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: abusetoi

Children shouldn't be in the courtroom unless they are either the plaintiff or the defendant, period. That's what babysitters or family are for, folks. If you have no family, or are broke and can't afford a babysitter, then you've got bigger problems than trying to fend off people who don't want to see breastfeeding in court, or hear baby slurping sounds in court (my God, already). Are we not a civilized society? The courtroom is no place for breastfeeding or children in general.

If you *can't afford* a sitter, then you need to get to work on getting your finances to the point where you CAN afford a sitter. If you have a child that require a sitter, then you NEED to be able to afford a sitter, otherwise, you can't afford to have a child. Children are not inexpensive to have or raise and you need to THINK about these things before having sex. So many people are so irresponsible anymore and unfortunately for them and the rest of us, they seem to think it's ok to be irresponsible, being all too ready to spew excuses for why this that and the other isn't their fault; that they're a victim of circumstance. Bullshit. You're an adult and are expected to act like one. Leave the excuses at the door; they're not welcome here. Start thinking *CAN* do, instead of *CAN'T* do.


Hard to believe a catch like you is still single.

When my oldest was an infant, I went to traffic court to fight a parking ticket, and I took my baby along.  The judge made a point of calling my case first.  Simple, non confrontational and considerate.  If I were the judge in the OP, I wouldn't count on getting an endorsement from his local Women Lawyer's chapter when it comes time for him to get reelected. 




agirl -> RE: Breastfeeding In Court? (11/17/2011 1:23:40 PM)

I'm nothing like as clued up as you are and know very little about the USA political system. I admit that there are many times, over the years, that I've been glad that I happen to live here.

I am not aware of all of my rights, because I've never had to be. When I need to be, we have this nifty place called the Citizen's Advice Bureau. It's a free service and they are amazingly helpful. They will write letters on your behalf and follow-up your case. It's an invaluable service that anyone can use.

I think perhaps our system is more readily available in a comprehensive way as we are a small island and a bit more cohesive.

I thought it was quite interesting that the Senior Judge said that it *wasn't a story* and that the *information age* was to blame. I could be wrong, but it sparked the thought that what he really meant was that it was annoying that it was no longer quite as easy to be impolite to people in court....lol

agirl




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