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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:39:44 PM   
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If your case isn't being heard, by all means, notify someone and GO OUTSIDE the courtroom to breastfeed.
And Angelina? Or the disabled person who has a noisy compressor on his oxygen apparatus? Or simply the damned hot looking woman? Or the punk rock type with the 3' blue and green mohawk? Or the person with the severe facial deformity? Or the local politician? Or the group of bikers? All these people should have to leave or wait outside the courtroom on the off chance that they might distract somebody?

Don't you see just how ridiculous your argument is here?



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Dearie me, I don't think we're talking about someone doing/being/ looking shocking........I think the bother is purely down to personal prejudices which at bottom line, don't or shouldn't, matter.

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I promise I'm not prejudiced against breast feeding. I've done it in a mall and in a park and other places. We just have differences of opinion regarding proper court decorum. Maybe I was raised differently, or maybe it's my paralegal training, Idk.


Possibly :)

I'm responding to the points, not to the *people*.

I do realise that the culture I live with isn't universal, but in this respect it is one that I happen to think is sensible and beneficial.

There is far too much unpleasantness and ugliness in the world to find fault with this kind of thing.

I ask *Why, though?* but it rarely brings any response other than * it's not the place* or* I don't like it*. This, to my mind, brings it down to personal prejudice and that's quite easy for me to dismiss.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:42:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe it's the proper venue for breast feeding. I believe it's distracting and anything that is distracting in a court of law should be minimized to the fullest extent it can be. (imo)

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:51:39 PM   
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I don't believe it's the proper venue for breast feeding. I believe it's distracting and anything that is distracting in a court of law should be minimized to the fullest extent it can be. (imo)


I understand that... but what is distracting about it?

Seriously now.....there'd be an awful uproar if someone made an issue out of this here. It'd be the kiss of death. It'd be a huge faux pas to do what that bailif did. But then, we do tend to be of a rather stoical nature.

There'd likely be far more questions about the bailiff's suitability for the job than the dastardly distraction.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 4:55:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not the breast feeding itself (necessarily although some men *are* more like boys, so it could be that also) but the getting ready to breastfeed and the in between things you have to do which is distracting. It's a lot of moving around, shifting things and getting things just so. Not to mention the burping, cleaning, spitting up, etc.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:00:28 PM   
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It's not the breast feeding itself (necessarily although some men *are* more like boys, so it could be that also) but the getting ready to breastfeed and the in between things you have to do which is distracting. It's a lot of moving around, shifting things and getting things just so. Not to mention the burping, cleaning, spitting up, etc.


Not to mention the way they tend to fill a diaper up with poop a few minutes after eating. It's usually pretty loud too.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:07:50 PM   
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I absolutely loved breastfeeding my daughters, but I was never comfortable breastfeeding in public.
I did it because I had to. We were out and they were hungry.
I was always discreet unlike my ex sister in law who used to flop a big tit out wherever she was.
Anywho...I would have asked if I could leave the room to feed.
But...the judge really had no right to say anything. Breastfeeding in public is legal.
The legality of it has nothing at all to do with whether she should have chosen to leave the room or not.



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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:09:11 PM   
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It's not the breast feeding itself (necessarily although some men *are* more like boys, so it could be that also) but the getting ready to breastfeed and the in between things you have to do which is distracting. It's a lot of moving around, shifting things and getting things just so. Not to mention the burping, cleaning, spitting up, etc.


Given that the first the judge knew about it was when the bailiff brought it to his attention, how disruptive could it have been?

Oh and you never did answer my question about how it is that apparently a woman can't breastfeed and pay full attention to other things.


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:14:00 PM   
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It's not the breast feeding itself (necessarily although some men *are* more like boys, so it could be that also) but the getting ready to breastfeed and the in between things you have to do which is distracting. It's a lot of moving around, shifting things and getting things just so. Not to mention the burping, cleaning, spitting up, etc.


Given that the first the judge knew about it was when the bailiff brought it to his attention, how disruptive could it have been?

Oh and you never did answer my question about how it is that apparently a woman can't breastfeed and pay full attention to other things.



Once the breastfeeding starts, she can. It's getting ready and the things you have to do in between that are distracting.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:19:41 PM   
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It's not the breast feeding itself (necessarily although some men *are* more like boys, so it could be that also) but the getting ready to breastfeed and the in between things you have to do which is distracting. It's a lot of moving around, shifting things and getting things just so. Not to mention the burping, cleaning, spitting up, etc.


Given that the first the judge knew about it was when the bailiff brought it to his attention, how disruptive could it have been?

Oh and you never did answer my question about how it is that apparently a woman can't breastfeed and pay full attention to other things.



Once the breastfeeding starts, she can. It's getting ready and the things you have to do in between that are distracting.

And yet neither the judge nor anyone else commented or complained. So again how disruptive could she have been. funny I've had conversations with women before, during and after, none had trouble concentrating on both.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:24:47 PM   
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It's not the breast feeding itself (necessarily although some men *are* more like boys, so it could be that also) but the getting ready to breastfeed and the in between things you have to do which is distracting. It's a lot of moving around, shifting things and getting things just so. Not to mention the burping, cleaning, spitting up, etc.


Ok, thanks for expanding.

The *men and boys* thing isn't common here in that regard, so that might make a difference as ignorance and being a twat isn't going to be pandered to here.

Also, sliding a blouse to one side is a slight movement for a mum that is 5months into feeding. What in between things do you have to do? I think we have a very different experience of it. You'd have been lucky to have seen anything more than my baby's head, you'd have been lucky to have been able to tell that I was feeding.

If it comes down to burping, it's a lost cause. Even if the Mum sat outside and fed, she's hardly likely to sit out there for an age *in case* her baby belched later on. Lord, babies burp for a passtime. They puke for a passtime too, just fed or not.

This is all imaginary suffering.

Babies feed, they burp, they poo, they fart and puke. No-one need make a big deal out of it and many, many mothers make very little out of any of it.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:35:44 PM   
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Late to the conversation...
I absolutely loved breastfeeding my daughters, but I was never comfortable breastfeeding in public.
I did it because I had to. We were out and they were hungry.
I was always discreet unlike my ex sister in law who used to flop a big tit out wherever she was.
Anywho...I would have asked if I could leave the room to feed.
But...the judge really had no right to say anything. Breastfeeding in public is legal.
The legality of it has nothing at all to do with whether she should have chosen to leave the room or not.




And that's really all it boils down to.

People will do what they are comfortable with. If you're not happy to feed in a public place then you will not do it.

I don't know anyone that *flopped a big tit out*,.....lol.... but plenty that had no problem discreetly feeding their baby anywhere.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:40:02 PM   
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It's not the breast feeding itself (necessarily although some men *are* more like boys, so it could be that also) but the getting ready to breastfeed and the in between things you have to do which is distracting. It's a lot of moving around, shifting things and getting things just so. Not to mention the burping, cleaning, spitting up, etc.


Given that the first the judge knew about it was when the bailiff brought it to his attention, how disruptive could it have been?

Oh and you never did answer my question about how it is that apparently a woman can't breastfeed and pay full attention to other things.



Once the breastfeeding starts, she can. It's getting ready and the things you have to do in between that are distracting.


What things?


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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:43:51 PM   
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Of course, this statement would be why you and your gang tend to get laughed at by real people with actual knowledge.
Here I must disagree. These girls I find most intelligent and earnest, and their youthful enthusiasm and certainties to me are a source of pleasure when read. As for laughter of derision, it is most often upon yourself, and the others of the circle that without variation gather as vultures around the words of these four to bicker and complain like jealous grandmothers, that it falls.

As an exemplar, your contention that nursing one's child ever could be inappropriate has brought gales of such laughter. It is in the nature of the world that a woman should nurse her child, to find offence in such is most foolish. Furthermore, to attempt to thwart such a thing is greatly foolish for it is blasphemy to do so. Did not My Goddess herself nurse the divine Horus at her breast? Did not the daughter of Joachim also so nurse your Christ?

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:48:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opinion is, if you're seated in the back of the court where it would mean climbing over a row full of people with a crying baby, purse and diaper bag in tow to be able to get out of the courtroom, that would create a much bigger disturbance than quietly and discretely breastfeeding the baby while the court was in session. All you have to do is drape a baby blanket, large scarf, or even a special "nursing cape" over yourself and the baby, and if you're quick and dressed for easy access, you can have that baby quietly nursing under the blanket before it even starts to fuss. Most people don't even notice if you do it right, because to the unaware, you just look like a woman sitting there with a big drapey garment on. Now, if you're an attention-craving tit-flopper, then yes, people will notice and someone will probably raise a stink.

Maybe it's inappropriate in a courtroom, but it's not illegal. And if it's done quietly and discretely where most of the people don't even know it's going on, is it THAT inappropriate? If the mom was sitting down front, wearing revealing clothing, flopping the tit out while the kid sucked in front of the whole world, yeah. But I consider that inappropriate anywhere except in the home or behind closed doors.

Didn't anybody see the episode of 19 Kids & Counting where the Duggars were riding on a parade float in a parade somewhere? When it was time to feed Josie (#19), Mrs. Duggar did it, while riding the float, during the parade, standing up on the float while it was moving without missing a beat, wearing a specially-made nursing support strapped around her waist (sort of like a shelf made of foam rubber) with the baby lying on it, and a large nursing cape draped over her and the baby. It just looked like she was wearing a really big, baggy dress. If anyone on the parade route caught on, they didn't seem to mind.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:48:56 PM   
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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:56:27 PM   
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Before anyone wants to use me for target practice, know that I am in favor of mothers nursing anywhere, anytime, but not everybody agrees with me. I appreciate and honor the strong feelings it provokes in its proponents, yet I understand and allow for the effects it has on others. Not for nothing, but if I was on trial for something, I don't think I'd appreciate a nursing mom stealing attention from my jurors or defense lawyers! I'd want them on the mark, with all their attention on me.

And to those who say breast-feeding takes precedence over EVERYTHING in this case, I call baloney. Only if the baby is starving to death, which it obviously was not. Raising breast-feeding to the level of being an untouchable sacrosanct is a dangerous thing, as it puts the preferences and pleasures of one person/act against the comfort and sensitivities of many others, which in my opinion is a selfish act. In a civilized society, we are responsible not only for our desires, but how they affect others. That's a sign of maturity.

For those claiming it's natural and we should all be comfortable with it, how about we all be allowed to masturbate while naked in court, as both are natural and sacred states and acts, as well? Discretion and decorum, and a sensitivity to others should not need be mandated. Common sense should rule. Many people are distracted by a nursing mother, and may find it hard to take their attention off her. Nursing is both nourishing AND sexual, as many women are honest enough to admit and understand. It would not be unusual for men and women to be distracted and sexually stimulated by such an act, which would obviously derail their attention from where it needs to be in the court room. Just because the woman nursing is publicly comfortable with it, it doesn't mean all others present are.



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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:56:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, would it be inappropriate to feed a hungry baby a bottle while in a courtroom? Because you still have to burp them, clean them, and they fill a diaper with something vile, too, needing changed. So, if that happens, do you change the baby in the courtroom, or leave? So, should babies be allowed in a courtroom at all???

I found with my kids that while they were breastfed, their poo was very mild, almost sweet-smelling. They didn't get stinky until they went on solid food.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 5:57:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a hard question because while women feeding babies in public doesn't bother me unless they are all hung out.  I don't like PDAs in public either.  Personally, i believe a judge had the right to ask her to leave the courtroom to feed her child, there are areas in most courthouses where people can go to eat.  However, i do NOT agree with his calling her up and interrogating her for doing so. 

What i don't agree with what a lot of people are saying, but it could be i have a different view of courts than the general public lol -- Courts are not public places.  You are not allowed to do in court what you can do in a general public area, you have restrictions on talking, on using communication devices, on using computers, on eating, and drinking.  Courtrooms are not free access either.  They also have rules enforced based on what the individual judges want who preside over those courts want.  . 

All in all, based on the little information i read, i think the judge was incorrect in his handling of the matter, but i also don't believe the woman needed to feed her kid in court while it was in session. 

I haven't read all the pages of this thread but does anyone know why she was there, and what type of court it was?  To me, this does make a difference in why it would be disruptive even if it wasn't being obstructive to the court continuing, if that makes sense.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 6:00:08 PM   
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So, would it be inappropriate to feed a hungry baby a bottle while in a courtroom? Because you still have to burp them, clean them, and they fill a diaper with something vile, too, needing changed. So, if that happens, do you change the baby in the courtroom, or leave? So, should babies be allowed in a courtroom at all???

I found with my kids that while they were breastfed, their poo was very mild, almost sweet-smelling. They didn't get stinky until they went on solid food.


Honestly, babies shouldn't be in a courtroom at all. (imo) And if you have to feed, (bottle or breast) go outside the courtroom.

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RE: Breastfeeding In Court? - 11/15/2011 6:01:02 PM   
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Wtfe, it is his or her courtroom.
This is an error. In America it is the courtroom of the people, whose servant the judge is.

Oh dear, it would appear to be that I neglected to add my salutation.

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