Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers?

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Fightdirecto -> Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 8:29:17 AM)
Are You Sick Of ‘Highly Paid’ Teachers? quote: Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit! We can get that for less than minimum wage. That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET’S SEE…. That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year. Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is! The average teacher’s salary (nation-wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student – a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!! Make a teacher smile; repost this to show appreciation for all educators.

LaTigresse -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 8:30:47 AM)
No. I am sick of over paid politicians and CEO's, etc.

Fightdirecto -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 8:36:43 AM)
Public school teachers - you need an undergraduate degree to start (at a minimum). preferably a advanced degree - and we pay them basically $1.42 per hour per student. If they teach history - they cannot teach anything negative about any Republican President since Lincoln got elected in 1860. If they teach science - they cannot teach evolution. If they teach English - they cannot teach any book not approved by the local evangelical fundamentalist Protestant church. And then we complain about the quality of children's education. [;)]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 8:56:24 AM)
One reason I quit teaching many years ago was someone needed an experienced electron microscopist and was willing to give me a 50% raise over my teaching salary. Metro-Dade PD asked me to come on as well because I had worked really well in giving advanced hand to hand training to a SWAT team and they were going to nearly double my salary. Yup, they're underpaid. An interesting addition. My first year was at a private Catholic school teaching biology. I asked the headmaster about the evolution/creationism thing when I was being interviewed and he told me."In science class, I want you to teach science. I will teach them religion." In other words, I was being told by a monk to teach evolution and stay the heck OFF his turf.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 9:45:29 AM)
Represented by one of the most powerful unions in the country and underpaid? Bullshit. Add in their first class benefits and their average total comp is at least $75,000 a year and they have the best job security in the country. Calculating the hourly wage on a "per student per hour" basis is a nice little game but irrelevant. They arent doing piece work and they arent paid on an hourly basis. And in a piece that is supposedly supportive of them calling them babysitters is pretty fucking demeaning. Pay for performance and the one's who are worth it will get paid more, and the vast majority who are slackers will get paid what they are worth....McDonald's wages, because that's where they would be working.

tazzygirl -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 9:45:49 AM)
If parents actually raised their children to be productive members of society, children could actually learn, instead of the few students needing baby sitters taking up all the teachers time because mommy decided her little darling "does no wrong".

slvemike4u -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 10:03:04 AM)
A society has lost it's way in a big way when they compensate the trash collector at a higher rate than what they pay to those charged with educating the next generation . Something is seriously wrong when this is a norm.

Kaliko -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 10:22:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Represented by one of the most powerful unions in the country and underpaid? Bullshit. Add in their first class benefits and their average total comp is at least $75,000 a year and they have the best job security in the country. Calculating the hourly wage on a "per student per hour" basis is a nice little game but irrelevant. They arent doing piece work and they arent paid on an hourly basis. And in a piece that is supposedly supportive of them calling them babysitters is pretty fucking demeaning. Pay for performance and the one's who are worth it will get paid more, and the vast majority who are slackers will get paid what they are worth....McDonald's wages, because that's where they would be working. I agree. Teachers aren't overpaid. They're not underpaid, either. They're fairly paid. (I can only speak for my geographical area.) There is so much complaining by the union... I am ... appalled. The sense of entitlement irritates me to no end. And...I'm sorry....how in the hell is $50,000 (plus benefits, plus summers and vacations off, plus professional development days) supposed to NOT be enough of an average salary for a teacher working 185 days a year? And...teachers do get planning time during their school day, and the union will jump all over it if that's tread on. And teachers do get paid when asked to stay before and after school, or the union will jump all over it. If they choose to stay on their own, kudos to them. We all do it. For all of our professions. I've worked plenty of weekends and nights and didn't see any extra. Are they heroes because they do it too? Well, then, I want a parade, please, since I spend many hours each week volunteering with and for children on my own time. Edited in case a certain someone ever happens to come across this. :)

tazzygirl -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 10:27:21 AM)
quote: For all of our professions. I've worked plenty of weekends and nights and didn't see any extra And I got a shift differential for working nights... and for working weekends.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 10:45:00 AM)
Many of the teachers I know pay for classroom supplies out of their own pockets. I don't know any other profession where the professional is expected to buy work supplies themselves, and not get reimbursed.

tazzygirl -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 10:54:41 AM)
I agree. And I think that is wrong. That 50,000 a year just went down quite a bit. School supplies arent cheap.

Kaliko -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 11:06:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet Many of the teachers I know pay for classroom supplies out of their own pockets. I don't know any other profession where the professional is expected to buy work supplies themselves, and not get reimbursed. They're not expected to, and they do get reimbursed. If they're purchasing items that aren't authorized, that's their decision. And no, teachers aren't the only ones that do that. I have several items in my office that I've bought at my own expense that help me do my job better. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

tazzygirl -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 11:19:15 AM)
I never got reimbursed for nursing supplies either. But my costs we not on the same scale as a teachers. Sure, I could spend 200 dollars on a stereoscope... 200 on shoes... another 200 on uniforms... but they can be used over and over and over again, for years. And that would have been the cost for the best supplies... I could have gone much cheaper. The supplies you purchase for your own use are to help you make your own job easier. What teachers pay for is to teach children.. much of which can only be used once.. and some typically only for that one year. $300 reimbursement? That can go quickly in just paper supplies and such alone.

Kaliko -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 11:30:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I never got reimbursed for nursing supplies either. But my costs we not on the same scale as a teachers. Sure, I could spend 200 dollars on a stereoscope... 200 on shoes... another 200 on uniforms... but they can be used over and over and over again, for years. And that would have been the cost for the best supplies... I could have gone much cheaper. The supplies you purchase for your own use are to help you make your own job easier. What teachers pay for is to teach children.. much of which can only be used once.. and some typically only for that one year. $300 reimbursement? That can go quickly in just paper supplies and such alone. If a teacher's contract states that they are to buy their own classroom supplies, then that is part of their contract and is figured into salary. I am in a position to know. Teachers are not expected to buy classroom supplies out of pocket, and they are reimbursed when they do...as long as it is authorized. For arguments sake, though? Let's say I'm wrong. Let's say each teacher is expected to spend $500 on supplies every year. (At 50 teachers in a school, that's a large amount of tangible supplies in an ever-growing technological classroom, but that's beside the point.) The salary is now $49,500. My opinion of the fairness of that salary still stands.

YSG -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 11:38:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Represented by one of the most powerful unions in the country and underpaid? Bullshit. Add in their first class benefits and their average total comp is at least $75,000 a year and they have the best job security in the country. Calculating the hourly wage on a "per student per hour" basis is a nice little game but irrelevant. They arent doing piece work and they arent paid on an hourly basis. And in a piece that is supposedly supportive of them calling them babysitters is pretty fucking demeaning. Pay for performance and the one's who are worth it will get paid more, and the vast majority who are slackers will get paid what they are worth....McDonald's wages, because that's where they would be working. I will say this... A kid with an attitude like yours is gonna fail, guarenteed. This is probably why you come across as only having a high school education (if you even have that). Truth be told, teachers spend more time with most kids than their own parents do. Overpaid? Hardly, especially when you consider that a bachelors degree in any other field is worth at least $60,000 a year just in salary (not including benefits). What's the national average starting pay for teachers? About $30,000 a year. Yet again, you spout off with your ignorant bullshit.

tazzygirl -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 11:39:34 AM)
But arent you complaining about teachers? You stated something about them feeling "entitled". quote: If they choose to stay on their own, kudos to them. We all do it. For all of our professions. In my profession we arent allowed to work off the clock. Even by choice. quote: I've worked plenty of weekends and nights and didn't see any extra. Are they heroes because they do it too? Well, then, I want a parade, please, since I spend many hours each week volunteering with and for children on my own time. And this last part speaks to how you truly feel about teachers. Im sorry.. I wont agree with you. I find your snark on this topic a little over the top. For arguments sake, though? Let's say I'm wrong. Let's say each teacher is expected to spend $500 on supplies every year. (At 50 teachers in a school, that's a large amount of tangible supplies in an ever-growing technological classroom, but that's beside the point.) The salary is now $49,500. My opinion of the fairness of that salary still stands. Pretax. IF they can itemize, they may be able to write some of that off. Im not expected to spend 500 a year on my supplies. I can, easily, to my own benefit. But I am not expected to buy band-aids, thermometers, bp cuffs, syringes, ect ect ect. But its ok for teachers to supplement the materials they need to teach properly? That has never made any sense to me.

Kaliko -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 12:11:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl But arent you complaining about teachers? You stated something about them feeling "entitled". quote: If they choose to stay on their own, kudos to them. We all do it. For all of our professions. In my profession we arent allowed to work off the clock. Even by choice. Yes - duly noted. In fact, paraprofessionals who work side by side with teachers are often bound by those same clock restrictions. "All" wasn't the right word. quote: I've worked plenty of weekends and nights and didn't see any extra. Are they heroes because they do it too? Well, then, I want a parade, please, since I spend many hours each week volunteering with and for children on my own time. And this last part speaks to how you truly feel about teachers. Im sorry.. I wont agree with you. I find your snark on this topic a little over the top. I do have an attitude about it, I know. Everybody has their hot buttons, and I suppose this is one of mine. But I don't think what I said has anything to do with my feelings about teachers, but rather, about how others put teachers on pedestals. It's quite politically incorrect to say that teachers don't deserve more than they're already getting. As I said in the start, I don't think they're overpaid, either. I'm not saying that the ones that do make the higher salaries don't deserve them. I think, though, that they are fairly compensated. I will sincerely apologize for snark, but I do stand by my opinion. quote: For arguments sake, though? Let's say I'm wrong. Let's say each teacher is expected to spend $500 on supplies every year. (At 50 teachers in a school, that's a large amount of tangible supplies in an ever-growing technological classroom, but that's beside the point.) The salary is now $49,500. My opinion of the fairness of that salary still stands. Pretax. IF they can itemize, they may be able to write some of that off. Im not expected to spend 500 a year on my supplies. I can, easily, to my own benefit. But I am not expected to buy band-aids, thermometers, bp cuffs, syringes, ect ect ect. But its ok for teachers to supplement the materials they need to teach properly? That has never made any sense to me. I was kind of trying to pull it off of the discussion of the purchase of supplies. I can say, with 100% surety, that teachers in my area are not expected or required to buy authorized supplies without reimbursement. I can say that until I'm blue in the face, though. It really doesn't mean that somebody isn't going to know somebody who didn't get reimbursed. So I was trying to say that, let's just take that out of the equation and say that teachers do have to purchase their own supplies. I still believe they're fairly compensated.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 12:24:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl If parents actually raised their children to be productive members of society, children could actually learn, instead of the few students needing baby sitters taking up all the teachers time because mommy decided her little darling "does no wrong". QFT

tazzygirl -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 12:27:08 PM)
quote: I was kind of trying to pull it off of the discussion of the purchase of supplies. I can say, with 100% surety, that teachers in my area are not expected or required to buy authorized supplies without reimbursement. I can say that until I'm blue in the face, though. It really doesn't mean that somebody isn't going to know somebody who didn't get reimbursed. So I was trying to say that, let's just take that out of the equation and say that teachers do have to purchase their own supplies. I still believe they're fairly compensated. I cant think of another job that requires someone to purchase equipment/supplies that will only be utilized once, can you?

Kaliko -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/22/2011 12:29:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YSG [ Hardly, especially when you consider that a bachelors degree in any other field is worth at least $60,000 a year just in salary (not including benefits). Really? I know a lot of people with bachelor's degrees, including myself, and master's degrees, for that matter, that are going to feel pretty cheated.

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