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JstAnotherSub -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:02:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet My love's daughter is a teacher, with a master's degree, and about 5 years experience. She makes 37K a year, and buys her own supplies and pays for her own transportation to various conventions and events. If her dad hadn't put her through school, she would no doubt also be paying off student loans. It is a crap job and I can't imagine why anyone would want to do it. If it weren't for the unions, it would probably be even more miserable. It really isn't all that surprising that our kids are poorly educated, why would anyone with any talent go into teaching? My hope is that she will abandon the job and find something more profitable to do with her science background. That sentence saddened me. If she is a great teacher, she is doing something profitable with her background. Sharing her knowledge with the future scientists.

popeye1250 -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:16:26 AM)
I think every year or so in Boston the Herald publishes a list of the highest paid cops and the amounts are something like $150-$200k per year with overtimes and court pay. Some places pay teachers very well like Long Island N.Y. at about $100k. But, on the whole I do think teachers should be compensated well. Eighty thousand a year would be very good pay in the south but not very good in Calif, Chicago or Philly. After all, where would any of us be without teachers?

SternSkipper -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:21:09 AM)
quote: As for standardized testing, there is too much emphasis on it. No Child Left Behind basically forces a teacher to drill the students with the information they need, and gives them no time to show any practical applications for it. Lets also not forget the fact that this lumps all students together, rather than recognizing that each student learns at their own pace, according to their natural abilities. This is why most schools have, or at least used to have, a number of different classes in the same subject. Lets say, for example, a kid's not good at chemistry, but they kick ass in physics. Who's to say either one of those is the more important science? Plus, it expects all students to be able to read and write on "grade level" by the year 2014. The fallacy in that is, like the right-wing crack babies that inhabit this board, some kids are just plain dumb. I agree... the MCAS testing prep takes more than 350 hours out of my kids learning experience each year. Both of them make comments like "I'm sick of reviewing crap instead of learning new stuff" or "I lost a quarter of science and foreign language this year cause of MCAS prep". And the funny thing is this part of the curriculum is coming down from the very top and the same assholes who blame teachers for "non-performance" don't want to do a fucking thing besides make some half-assed remarks about "running schools like a business" and leave it at that. The bottom line is if they get to wiggle out of a few more bucks in taxes. They're starting to remind me of the ' Gimme' crowd among welfare recipients (in as much as the same tired looking motherfuckers always pop up on each cheap skate issue that comes up... as if they got through their kids got educated, they've got their pension or are near it, and fuck everybody else, no more paying in... and they say 'others' are on the dole).

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:23:49 AM)
~FR~ http://thejournal.com/articles/2010/07/08/teachers-spend-1.3-billion-out-of-pocket-on-classroom-materials.aspx "Public school teachers in the United States spent more than $1.33 billion out of pocket on school supplies and instructional materials in the 2009-2010 school year, according to new research released by the National School Supply and Equipment Association (NSSEA), a trade association for educational product companies." Just google "teachers supplies out of pocket" and you will find lots of local stories about teachers buying materials out of pocket, especially in disticts where a large number of families are at or below the poverty line. We help out every year buying extra paper towels, hand sanitizer, santizer wipes, glue, craft materials, and snacks (for the kids who's parents cannot afford them). This year we have not been able to help as much as in the past, due to our own income going down some. Teachers do the job because they have a calling for it, not because of the salary. Yeah, sure, not all of them are good, but it is one of those professions you want people that have the "want" to do it, and not because of the high salary. Also, look at your own school district budget for materials per student this year compared to years past. Materials are one of the things that is usually cut first, because the schools figure the teachers or PTA will help make up for it. Butter on bread can only be spread so thin though.

SternSkipper -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:35:28 AM)
quote: Also remember that, as an unreimbursed employee expense, it is a miscelaneous itemized deduction. Such means that only deductions over 2% of your adjusted gross income actually get deducted. Also remember, the first $500 of unreimbursed teaching expenses are above-the-line deductions, which means you get them in addition to your standard deduction. Tax Schmax... My question would be Why the hell do teachers have to act as virtual 'banks' for the community. Because if they have to wait between six months and a year, they're LOANING that money to the town they work for. The fact is that it's been this smarmy change where they have cut NEEDED items out of the budget over time and they don't stop being needed. When I was in school there was a supply room centrally located in the school. All the things that my kids teachers buy on their own like paper, pencils, art materials, books, etc, were IN THERE and part of the budget. Sure, they should probably pay for the laptop they lug to and from school, they could maybe even buy their own course books and PERSONAL office supplies. But the teachers in my community are having to buy lots of stuff the kids consume. Among the things I do is to donate ten cases of paper towels to my kids' classes each school year in addition to making sure mine are well-supplied so they cost the community and the teacher no additional expense. But this business of putting financial burden on the teacher's backs to avoid an expense incurred by the city is just lame.

SternSkipper -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:48:37 AM)
quote: Your tax money didnt prop up shit. Everything they were loaned was repaid with interest. Most of them didnt even want the fucking money they were blackmailed into taking it. You're either misinformed or perpetuating lies. I'll give you a chance though, cause I am such a nice guy. Explain exactly how this "blackmail" you're now coming up with occurred. Also explain why if the government really and truly handed out a good deal more than the published bailout monies that "got paid back" <wink wink>, where the rest? Cause the deficit doesn't reflect it being paid back ... in fact it looks like WAY MORE was paid out and just unnamed. And if you're feeling really energetic. Maybe you can explain in your own words how you and your fence post-like cronies constantly demonize Goldmann Sachs as if they are in leagues with Obama and the Devil when it's convenient, but for the purpose of this nonsense, they are 'poor blackmail victims who paid the randsom'. You guys are the biggest cake eaters I have ever seen in my life. Would you like a NeoCon Crossing sign in front of your houses so you don't get fucking run over like possum when you stagger across in your 'Karl Rove gets me hard' haze too?

SternSkipper -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:53:04 AM)
quote: I think every year or so in Boston the Herald publishes a list of the highest paid cops and the amounts are something like $150-$200k per year with overtimes and court pay. With Detail work, Boston cops are averaging around $70 - $80k But yeah, there are guys who glom onto everything and score big. I can't imagine anybody in your native NH or mass or RI (I know ZIP about Maine and Vermont) in the teaching profession and not an "administrator" making more than $50. And that's with a LOT of seniority.

MstrPBK -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:57:10 AM)
Stop folks; Let's think witn some perspective, ... and the thought is being suggested that $120,000 a year Attorneys and Financial Directors are not over paid?

SternSkipper -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 10:58:55 AM)
quote: We help out every year buying extra paper towels, hand sanitizer, santizer wipes, glue, craft materials, and snacks (for the kids who's parents cannot afford them). This year we have not been able to help as much as in the past, due to our own income going down some. High Five! And even though things were tougher, parents like you and I DID. And while I don't mind, I really think it's a shame that teachers have to turn themselves into a 1.3 billion dollar bank. my Daughter's school, because of the number of fishermen's families has a 'farmer's market run by the local food pantry and farming coop every friday.It's basically a limited selection of dirt cheap groceries.You'll see teachers shopping it for their veggies, the same week you helped them carry in $200 worth of art supplies.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 11:12:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I think every year or so in Boston the Herald publishes a list of the highest paid cops and the amounts are something like $150-$200k per year with overtimes and court pay. Some places pay teachers very well like Long Island N.Y. at about $100k. But, on the whole I do think teachers should be compensated well. Eighty thousand a year would be very good pay in the south but not very good in Calif, Chicago or Philly. After all, where would any of us be without teachers? Feeling ok pops? Now I am really surprised by this...

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 11:54:31 AM)
It is kind of a hot button of mine since I know several teachers, and hear what they have to say. I also know a few that had to leave that profession as they needed to make more for their family, because they were so tempted to put their money into their classrooms. They want to see kids succeed, and hate the politics that keeps it from happening. The teachers as my son's elementary school are always smiling, the kids are mostly smiling, yeah they could do with more of things to help, but the general attitude is they are all pulling together to make the school better. I could go on an on, but I won't. People will either support the teachers at the classroom level or they won't. quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: We help out every year buying extra paper towels, hand sanitizer, santizer wipes, glue, craft materials, and snacks (for the kids who's parents cannot afford them). This year we have not been able to help as much as in the past, due to our own income going down some. High Five! And even though things were tougher, parents like you and I DID. And while I don't mind, I really think it's a shame that teachers have to turn themselves into a 1.3 billion dollar bank. my Daughter's school, because of the number of fishermen's families has a 'farmer's market run by the local food pantry and farming coop every friday.It's basically a limited selection of dirt cheap groceries.You'll see teachers shopping it for their veggies, the same week you helped them carry in $200 worth of art supplies.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 12:06:17 PM)
I understand what you are saying. I would have loved for my kids to have had her, she is smart and engaged. But how can people be expected to build a good life and take care of their own family under those conditions. Not to mention that the newest budget for the state of Washington cuts education by ANOTHER 17%. She has survived the layoffs so far, because she is a science teacher, but she is now worried once again about her job. How can anyone value their job when they are not valued themselves? quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet My love's daughter is a teacher, with a master's degree, and about 5 years experience. She makes 37K a year, and buys her own supplies and pays for her own transportation to various conventions and events. If her dad hadn't put her through school, she would no doubt also be paying off student loans. It is a crap job and I can't imagine why anyone would want to do it. If it weren't for the unions, it would probably be even more miserable. It really isn't all that surprising that our kids are poorly educated, why would anyone with any talent go into teaching? My hope is that she will abandon the job and find something more profitable to do with her science background. That sentence saddened me. If she is a great teacher, she is doing something profitable with her background. Sharing her knowledge with the future scientists.

StrangerThan -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 1:59:12 PM)
If you want to do the student per hour crap, I make about the same as your 1.42 teacher - all while a couple of people here classify me as one of the rich, the same crowd they imply are beating the poor about the body in order to steal their meager dollars to fill their own coffers. I'm not one who believes teachers are overpaid. I am one who believes they're represented by a powerful union who generates this type of bs number twisting. Face it dude. The only way life as we know will continue is to raise taxes on everyone. That's the shitty little secret no one wants to talk about. Dems are all for raising taxes on the rich, and are beating the idea like a dead horse as if the tax increase they want will solve all the nation's ills. It won't. It won't come close. Someone posted that no nation had ever really cut spending on another thread. That's not what I see when I look around. Most of them are in the process of cutting a shitload of benefits and pensions. It shouldn't be hard for anyone to find links if they want them. Just drop by Yahoo's home page and look at the news headlines about any given day of the week. OWS has it right in that the financial sector has about destroyed the global economy. Tea Partiers have it right that we spend too much. Hopefully, somewhere between the two, a message will get out to politicians. I say hopefully, but in reality, dems will suck off the dnc tit and reps will suck off the rnc tit and both will point fingers at the other. Fucking idiots.

popeye1250 -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 2:15:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 I think every year or so in Boston the Herald publishes a list of the highest paid cops and the amounts are something like $150-$200k per year with overtimes and court pay. Some places pay teachers very well like Long Island N.Y. at about $100k. But, on the whole I do think teachers should be compensated well. Eighty thousand a year would be very good pay in the south but not very good in Calif, Chicago or Philly. After all, where would any of us be without teachers? Feeling ok pops? Now I am really surprised by this... DYB, and why does that surprise you? I like teachers and think they should be well compensated, doesn't everyone?

KeriB -> RE: Are You Sick Of "Over Paid" Public School Teachers? (11/23/2011 2:23:15 PM)
Thank you Stern for your kind words. I do try my best to make sure that I am educating students not just for the standardized test, but for the rest of their lives. quote: I agree... the MCAS testing prep takes more than 350 hours out of my kids learning experience each year. Both of them make comments like "I'm sick of reviewing crap instead of learning new stuff" or "I lost a quarter of science and foreign language this year cause of MCAS prep". The biggest issue I have with the standardized tests is that we prep them so much and drill them till their dead, that they don't know how to function in the real world. They also end up not having a broad enough knowledge to be able to really understand and take the test or how to do much of anything besides push buttons at McDonald's. When a 12th grade student thinks Al Qaeda is some guy named Al, there is a big problem with the world and the we way we educate people. quote: How can anyone value their job when they are not valued themselves? What makes it worth it for most of us is when the student that has been struggling for months with a concept finally gets it. When we have student come back to see us after they have graduated to tell us thank you for caring and for not giving up on them.

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