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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/23/2011 11:08:35 PM   
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We tip Domino's 20% since moving to Montrose, which is not at all what we'd usually tip the pizza guy.
But since moving here, the longest we have EVER had to wait for pizza was 20min.
Usually they get here in between 15, sometimes less than that. I've NEVER had service like that from a pizza delivery place.
And it's not even like we live that close or anything either, they're in the center of town and we're on the far edge.


We had an odd issue where I work recently. Friday night, we ordered from Pizza Hut. We were told 45-60 minutes. The driver got here in an hour and 15 minutes, despite being told how to get here and having been the guy who's delivered here numerous times before. At one point, he drove right past the lot where I was waiting. The pizza was barely Luke warm. He got a buck.

Four days later, we ordered from Domino's and, despite them not even having us in their system, the guy got here in exactly 45 minutes (as the person on the phone said) and the pizza was still hot. He got what was left out of a $20... and the tab was barely $14.

Having been both a pizza guy and a server in the past, I'm all for tipping well, but I know what is the server/driver's fault and what isn't. I don't reward crappy service at all.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/23/2011 11:29:08 PM   
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We had an odd issue where I work recently. Friday night, we ordered from Pizza Hut. We were told 45-60 minutes. The driver got here in an hour and 15 minutes, despite being told how to get here and having been the guy who's delivered here numerous times before. At one point, he drove right past the lot where I was waiting. The pizza was barely Luke warm. He got a buck.

Four days later, we ordered from Domino's and, despite them not even having us in their system, the guy got here in exactly 45 minutes (as the person on the phone said) and the pizza was still hot. He got what was left out of a $20... and the tab was barely $14.

Having been both a pizza guy and a server in the past, I'm all for tipping well, but I know what is the server/driver's fault and what isn't. I don't reward crappy service at all.


The pizza hut here in town is horrible. They take 15 min longer than Domino's on deliveries, and they're only a block away from them.
A friend of mine had to wait for 45 min for her pizza while dining in, on a Thursday afternoon with only half the restaurant filled.
I don't like their American menu anyways, I'm used to the Belgian one where I think the quality of their offerings is a lot better. Pizza hut in Belgium is my favorite fast-food pizza place, but here in the US, they've consistently disappointed me in all 3 locations I've tried.
I don't plan to ever try a 4th.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/23/2011 11:33:51 PM   
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The pizza hut here in town is horrible. They take 15 min longer than Domino's on deliveries, and they're only a block away from them.
A friend of mine had to wait for 45 min for her pizza while dining in, on a Thursday afternoon with only half the restaurant filled.
I don't like their American menu anyways, I'm used to the Belgian one where I think the quality of their offerings is a lot better. Pizza hut in Belgium is my favorite fast-food pizza place, but here in the US, they've consistently disappointed me in all 3 locations I've tried.
I don't plan to ever try a 4th.


The stupid thing about Pizza Hut in regards to where I work is that when you type my work address into their store locator, three stores show up, but NONE of those three deliver here. Instead, supposedly, our store is the one over 3 miles away (pretty much assuring the pizza will be cold) instead of the one just down the street. Also, the only one that delivers here closes at 11 on weeknights, as opposed to midnight for Domino's.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 10:12:24 AM   
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This'll go over like a lead balloon no doubt but I rarely tip in anything like the way others do here.

I dislike the entire *tipping culture*.

If it costs £20 for me to get my hair cut, so be it. If you want more for the job than that, put it on the price list and charge me that. If a taxi journey costs me £5.00 then charge me that, if you want to charge me more then just tell me so. Don't leave it up to me to decide what the hell to pay. It just seems a longwinded and irritating route to get income.

I can understand leaving a gift for exceptional service, over and above, other than that, yes, I do tend to expect a waiter to wait, a taxi driver to drive and a washer-upper to wash-up.

And yes, I have worked behind a bar, waited and washed up.  Tips were considered rather incidental and weren't part of wages at all. I certainly didn't expect to get tipped for doing a job I chose to do, even if I WAS hard up at the time.

My son is a barista and any tips during the year get lumped together and go toward the Xmas bash for all the staff(not that it amounts to a great deal). It doesn't plump up their wages.

A tip, to me, should be totally discretional and not something expected.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 12:26:47 PM   
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How much to tip in Great Britain

Waitstaff in Britain benefits from stiff minimum wage requirements. Therefore tipping at British restaurants is entirely optional. Since legal requirements regulate all taxes and charges to be included in price, any additional charges are unusual. However some restaurants, mainly in the large cities, may require service charges of 10 percent. It is considered absolutely legal to refuse to pay the service charge if the services was not up to standard.

How much to tip in the United States

Tipping is customary in the USA and varies according to the quality of the service rendered. Restaurants in the United States add regulated service charge (~18 percent). Customers are expected to pay an additional amount of between 15-25 percent on consumption. The rate is regulated by the Memorandum of the National Association of restaurateurs in the U.S.

If you received free items or used a discount, it is appropriate to tip on the total amount of the bill, as if you would pay the full price. If you have special requests and requirements, it is expected that you tip the waitstaff appropriately. In restaurants with take out meals, you may leave a tip of 10 percent. In sit down-only locations, you may tip at around 15 percent for the effort. You may also want to tip the sommelier between 15 and 20 percent of your total wine consumption. In bars, you may leave a tip of 10 to 15 percent to the bartender. However, if the bar is particularly crowded, it is better to leave a generous tip. In case that the bartender serves you complimentary drinks, it is polite to tip at about half their price.

Waitstaff in USA is often paid very low wages and tipping is assumed to compensate the difference.

Meals would be a lot more expensive in the US if the wait staff were paid minimum or more.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 2:16:13 PM   
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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 2:28:24 PM   
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I know this tazzy. I think it's a shame that service staff in the USA have such poor wages that they rely on customers to supplement their wages.


When you pay a flat rate, the workers will typically do just enough to not get fired. When their pay is dependent upon their performance, they try harder.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 2:32:46 PM   
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I know this tazzy. I think it's a shame that service staff in the USA have such poor wages that they rely on customers to supplement their wages.


When you pay a flat rate, the workers will typically do just enough to not get fired. When their pay is dependent upon their performance, they try harder.



As much as I hate to admit it (cause I too prefer a flat rates better than tipping) I do find that service is generally more attentive in the US than what I'm used to in Belgium.

Sometimes to the point that I long for waiters to ignore me once again so that I can actually eat my food instead of having to tell them every 2 minutes that it's good and I don't need anything else.

Grocery story service is incomparable too. Because of Belgian minimum wage standards, getting your groceries bagged for you is absolutely unheard of. Instead, they trow it at you on a small conveyer belt and you're supposed to keep up with the scanning, getting attitude from the cashier if you don't. Even if she's done scanning, she won't lift a finger to help you bag, and depending on how far behind you are, she will sit there looking very obviously annoyed.
The idea that they would help you bring it to your car is even more unthinkable there than the fact that they could help you bag it.


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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 2:43:39 PM   
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I know this tazzy. I think it's a shame that service staff in the USA have such poor wages that they rely on customers to supplement their wages.

agirl




They have a different tipping culture in the USA, agirl. Me, it would fry my brains. I hate all the awkwardness around tipping, too.

Some years ago I read in my Mum's book of etiquette that one is supposed to tip barbers and hairdressers. Ashamed at not having thought of this before, I duly started giving an extra quid on top of the £9 charge. After a year or so, my barber gave me a deeply embarrassed, squirmingly uncomfortable lecture . . . "Look, mate, no offence, but I hate it when you give tips. Thanks and all that, kind of you, you're a gent - but wish you wouldn't".

*Sigh*. My mother's book of etiquette was published in 1958. Things change.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 2:57:15 PM   
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*Sigh*. My mother's book of etiquette was published in 1958. Things change.


The only thing that changed was the gender in question. Women still tip their hair dressers today. The difference is your barber isn't a hair dresser. He's a guy. Men's barbers (unless you're shelling out $300 for a haircut) don't expect to be tipped for a hair cut. Women, on the other hand, have far more involved procedures when it comes to a hair cut.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 3:05:09 PM   
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I know this tazzy. I think it's a shame that service staff in the USA have such poor wages that they rely on customers to supplement their wages.


When you pay a flat rate, the workers will typically do just enough to not get fired. When their pay is dependent upon their performance, they try harder.



I agree with you to an extent but other people outside of service enjoy a proper wage structure. I wonder why service based employment doesn't have this too. I'm no expert on this.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 3:15:03 PM   
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I agree with you to an extent but other people outside of service enjoy a proper wage structure. I wonder why service based employment doesn't have this too. I'm no expert on this.


Because if they paid a regular wage, the $9.95 "meal deal" would jump to $19.95 or more and the "masses" would think they couldn't afford it. Plus it's hard to change what's been tradition for so long. Waiting tables is one of the most common "entry jobs" for kids out of high school. These kids would put forth zero effort if their pay wasn't dependent on it. So, if they suddenly reversed things and paid a decent wage on the front end, with nothing coming in tips, these kids would screw off and do just enough not to get fired. So what customers would be left with is paying more on the ticket price for crappier service and a waiter or waitress who didn't give a rat's ass if their drink was full or not.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 4:05:25 PM   
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Since she refuses to be paid, you might do something nice for her.


Are you really self-important enough that you assume I need to be told that?
For all the times I've seen you insult other people on this board, I think it's the first one directed at me, but I guess it had to be coming sooner or later...


It wasn't an insult, it was a suggestion. If you can't tell the difference, then you have a problem. But don't worry it is the last time I will even attempt to be nice.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 4:07:16 PM   
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We tip Domino's 20% since moving to Montrose, which is not at all what we'd usually tip the pizza guy.
But since moving here, the longest we have EVER had to wait for pizza was 20min.
Usually they get here in between 15, sometimes less than that. I've NEVER had service like that from a pizza delivery place.
And it's not even like we live that close or anything either, they're in the center of town and we're on the far edge.


We had an odd issue where I work recently. Friday night, we ordered from Pizza Hut. We were told 45-60 minutes. The driver got here in an hour and 15 minutes, despite being told how to get here and having been the guy who's delivered here numerous times before. At one point, he drove right past the lot where I was waiting. The pizza was barely Luke warm. He got a buck.

Four days later, we ordered from Domino's and, despite them not even having us in their system, the guy got here in exactly 45 minutes (as the person on the phone said) and the pizza was still hot. He got what was left out of a $20... and the tab was barely $14.

Having been both a pizza guy and a server in the past, I'm all for tipping well, but I know what is the server/driver's fault and what isn't. I don't reward crappy service at all.


Do you think Domino's newest marketing thing with the email and everything has anything to do with their better service?

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 4:26:38 PM   
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Do you think Domino's newest marketing thing with the email and everything has anything to do with their better service?


I'm not really sure. It sure didn't help when the so-called manager of the one near where I live became a total asshat on the phone and cancelled my order, refusing to deliver it. I complained BIG time and go a call back, supposedly from the owner...or district manager or whatever. Unfortunately, being on night shift, I never got a hold of him when I tried calling him back. However, subsequent orders have been made from here with no issues, so I can't really say. Could have been a random incident of a total douchebag. I'll never know.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 6:08:30 PM   
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Having waitressed in my younger days (oh, the horror) I am a pretty generous tipper.  In fact, I think that is pretty common for people who have lived off tips to be generous.  However, I also think that it is pretty ridiculous that customers are expected to subsidize wages.  Why not just pay a livable wage?  

Because we wouldn't do this work for a "livable wage." I have bartended my entire adult life and it's grueling. However, I average about 30 bucks an hour at least to do it and if the bar/restaurant owners paid that wage, it would be so cost prohibitive to the guests it would never work. My 30 percenters make up for the occasional cheapskate. No one would do this for even 15 bucks an hour. 

eta...last night I made 140 bucks in 4.5 hours. Not ever going to happen in any other profession, at least a legit one.


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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 6:35:29 PM   
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eta...last night I made 140 bucks in 4.5 hours. Not ever going to happen in any other profession, at least a legit one.



That's only $31 an hour.
There are plenty of legitimate jobs that make a LOT more than that.


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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 7:01:22 PM   
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I agree with you to an extent but other people outside of service enjoy a proper wage structure. I wonder why service based employment doesn't have this too. I'm no expert on this.

agirl


California does pay minimum. Not sure about other states. Some states do not allow employers to use tips to offset a server's wage.

In PA, I can get paid minimum, was a server, if I make less than 30 dollars a month in tips. Like that ever happens.

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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 7:05:29 PM   
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eta...last night I made 140 bucks in 4.5 hours. Not ever going to happen in any other profession, at least a legit one.



That's only $31 an hour.
There are plenty of legitimate jobs that make a LOT more than that.



Cash? Plus the 8 bucks an hour wage? So....39 bucks an hour for a part time gig? In  this economy, I doubt it. Not around here anyway. Besides, I own my own business and that is mentally grueling so this is a part time "fun" job. It pays me well, and gives me extra money for incidentals without tapping into my savings. I'm good with it. Last night was a weeknight too, and not that busy. On a Friday or Saturday, I walk with about 200 to 250 for the same amount of hours and again....it's cash. I'll keep it, thanks. 


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RE: Cheap Bastards!!!! - 11/24/2011 7:08:37 PM   
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in his experiance the best tippers are the ones with the least money.


In my experience it is the middle class, particularly the lower middle class, that are the best tippers. They get it. The very poor (old people on SS or Welfare recipients) and the very wealthy (not that they took cabs very often, but sometimes they did) were the worst.

In fairness, it should be noted that there were exceptions both ways.

The best tippers are those who hold or at any time held a tip based job. Those are probably your exceptions on the good side.


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