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rulemylife -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 4:19:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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UC Davis Student Admits Protesters Surrounded Cops and Wouldn't Let Them Leave



Video and transcript: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/24/uc-davis-student-admits-protesters-surrounded-cops-and-wouldnt-let-th#ixzz1ejV2y8oY


Never take a chanting mob of leftists word on anything... [;)]






Now let me see if I have this straight, there were protesters who would not let the police leave?

Does that mean they really liked the police there or that they really had a fondness for pepper spray.

Even your bullshit NewsBusters site doesn't confirm what you are trying to say.

ELLI PEARSON: Well, we were protesting together, and the riot cops came at us, and we linked arms and sat down peacefully to protest their presence on our campus. And at one point, they were—we had encircled them, and they were trying to leave, and they were trying to clear a path. And so, we sat down, linked arms, and said that if they wanted to clear the path, they would have to go through us. But we were on the ground, you know, heads down. And all I could see was people telling me to cover my head, protect myself, and put my head down. And the next thing I know, I was pepper-sprayed.

How is that they preventied the police from leaving when they were sitting on the ground? They couldn't have just walked over them?

More drama queen nonsense from Newsbusters.




Sanity -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 4:24:01 PM)


Read the thread before posing the same bullshit arguments that have already been put to bed




tazzygirl -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 4:26:06 PM)

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How is that they preventied the police from leaving when they were sitting on the ground? They couldn't have just walked over them?


The videos clearly show a cop doing just that.




tolovetolaugh -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 4:28:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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How is that they preventied the police from leaving when they were sitting on the ground? They couldn't have just walked over them?


The videos clearly show a cop doing just that.


He was a bad cop. He apparently wasn't on his donuts.




rulemylife -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 4:35:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Again...

Explain the crowds chants then, and the DemocracyNOW! interview, if you can

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4406KJQMc

2:23 clearly shows a cop stepping over the circle of students. No one tried to stop him. There is still no excuse for the pepper spraying incident.



Explain how the police were entrapped and encircled when the video Tazzy posted clearly shows one officer stepping over the sitting protesters and spraying them from the other side of that terrible leftist mob that was terrozing the police.




lovmuffin -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 4:41:46 PM)

FR

  Ya know whats funny about this pepper spray incident ??  That pepper spray the cops are usin got to be some pretty wussy stuff.  I followed the link to the actually product. If it was something I'm familiar with I think those OWS'ers would have been in sheer agony kickin and screamin, yellin and jumpin around all over the place in pain with their eyes shut so tight ya'd need a crowbar to pryum open.  They make fogging pepper spray products that can stop a charging grizzly dead in his tracks.




rulemylife -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 4:43:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Read the thread before posing the same bullshit arguments that have already been put to bed



You are the only one that thinks it has been put to bed.

You constantly post this idiot blogger and expect everyone to believe his point of view.




rulemylife -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 4:51:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Nope, pepper spray was absolutly warranted.

But we do have you down as supporting mobs stopping police from doing thier lawfull duty.




It was their duty to pepper spray people peacefully sitting on the ground?

Interesting how conservatives label everyone as communists when they support the same tactics used in communist regimes.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 5:08:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

FR

  Ya know whats funny about this pepper spray incident ??  That pepper spray the cops are usin got to be some pretty wussy stuff.  I followed the link to the actually product. If it was something I'm familiar with I think those OWS'ers would have been in sheer agony kickin and screamin, yellin and jumpin around all over the place in pain with their eyes shut so tight ya'd need a crowbar to pryum open.  They make fogging pepper spray products that can stop a charging grizzly dead in his tracks.


I remember reading about sprayed protestors coughing up blood and going to the hospital.




Lucylastic -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 5:12:13 PM)

There have been deaths attributed to pepper spray, but calling it wussy while sititng at a computer desk is easy




Owner59 -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 5:13:56 PM)

There were accounts where the kids were using their clothes to cover their faces.You can see that in the various vids.


They said the cops would pull the cloth back and hit them in the mouth, nose and eyes point blank.




lovmuffin -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 5:49:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

FR

  Ya know whats funny about this pepper spray incident ??  That pepper spray the cops are usin got to be some pretty wussy stuff.  I followed the link to the actually product. If it was something I'm familiar with I think those OWS'ers would have been in sheer agony kickin and screamin, yellin and jumpin around all over the place in pain with their eyes shut so tight ya'd need a crowbar to pryum open.  They make fogging pepper spray products that can stop a charging grizzly dead in his tracks.


I remember reading about sprayed protestors coughing up blood and going to the hospital.



I doubt it unless that person had some kind of preexisting respiratory condition.  




lovmuffin -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 5:56:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

There have been deaths attributed to pepper spray, but calling it wussy while sititng at a computer desk is easy


  I doubt any deaths from that wussy stuff.  It just didn't seem they were gaggin and chokin like I would have expected from a stronger product. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 6:06:01 PM)

All charges against the 10 students who were arrested at Davis.

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I doubt it unless that person had some kind of preexisting respiratory condition.


And that makes it ok?





tazzygirl -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 6:10:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

There have been deaths attributed to pepper spray, but calling it wussy while sititng at a computer desk is easy


  I doubt any deaths from that wussy stuff.  It just didn't seem they were gaggin and chokin like I would have expected from a stronger product. 




Blum notes that in a 1995 report [PDF], the American Civil Liberties Union of California cited 26 deaths between 1993 and 1995 possibly linked to pepper-spray use by police (that's 1 death for every 600 uses); most deaths involved people who had underlying health problems like asthma. And in 1999, following an incident in which California police officers dipped cotton swabs into pepper spray and then forced them into the eyes of anti-logging protesters, the ACLU asked an appeals court to declare the use of pepper spray to be dangerous and cruel.

How painful is getting pepper-sprayed? For starters, as Blum points out, police-grade pepper spray gets 5,300,000 Scoville heat units on the Scoville scale of pepper hotness. Compare that to 350,000 Scoville units for the habanero. (Pepper spray — or OC spray, as it's also known — contains the same compound that makes peppers hot, capsaicin, in a super-concentrated extract called oleoresin capsicum.)

In most cases, pepper spray is non-lethal, but it is known to cause irreparable harm or, as we've noted, death. According to a 2004 paper by researchers at the University of North Carolina School of Public Health and Duke University Medical Center, high-dose exposure to OC spray can produce "adverse cardiac, respiratory, and neurological effects, including arrhythmias and sudden death"; acute exposure also causes "nausea, fear and disorientation." Wrote the researchers:

Respiratory responses to OC spray include burning of the throat, wheezing, dry cough, shortness of breath, gagging, gasping, inability to breathe or speak (due to laryngospasm or laryngeal paralysis), and, rarely, cyanosis, apnea, and respiratory arrest. Nasal application of capsaicin causes sneezing, irritation, and reflex mucus secretion. Its inhalation can cause acute hypertension (similar to ammonia inhalation), which in turn can cause headache and increase the risk of stroke or heart attack.

Getting pepper-sprayed is worse than getting maced [PDF] — mace causes burning but no respiratory effects. Pepper spray can fell even people with a high tolerance for pain because it restricts the airway and leaves you gasping for breath. Even when pepper spray isn't inhaled, its effects on the skin and eyes can require hospital attention, causing intense burning pain, swelling, inflammation and redness.

Classified as a riot-control agent and banned for use in war by Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention, pepper spray is meant to be used against violent attackers who are resisting arrest and threatening physical harm to others. That doesn't apply to the passive protesters at U.C. Davis.
"Pepper spray should only be used when there's a clear threat to officers or severe-enough resistance — essentially, when the only alternative is more extreme force," John MacDonald, professor of criminology at the University of Pennsylvania, told our colleague Nick Carbone over at NewsFeed. "But if the only threat is time, then the best weapon to exercise is patience."

Following the misuse of pepper spray at U.C. Davis, one of the university's faculty members, Nathan Brown, an assistant professor of English, called for the resignation of the school's chancellor, Linda P.B. Katehi, for issuing the order to police to clear the quad of student protesters. In an open letter, he described the force (some of which you don't see in the video) used by police against the students, peacefully protesting in solidarity with the Occupy movement:
Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground, with their arms linked, police pepper-sprayed students. Students remained on the ground, now writhing in pain, with their arms linked.
What happened next?

Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-five minutes after being pepper-sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.


Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/22/how-painful-is-pepper-spray/#ixzz1em0Vp4jm





Owner59 -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 6:11:17 PM)

What`s worse......or more pathetic......


The iconic image of cops pepper spraying seated,non-moving kids in the face or cons trying to claim it`s no big deal?




Lucylastic -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 6:11:53 PM)

[:'(]asthma OWS peeps can die, they shouldnt be out in the cold protesting anyway. and its one less vermin for them to deal with[:'(]
(fuck I could really be a cold hearted person if I wanted, at least in text)




lovmuffin -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 6:16:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

All charges against the 10 students who were arrested at Davis.

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I doubt it unless that person had some kind of preexisting respiratory condition.


And that makes it ok?




Not necessarily nor is that to the point. I'm just sayin that where as it's possible some one was coughing up blood as a result of gettin sprayed,  I'm doubting it.  I'm sayin further up that I think they were using a lower potency spray.




Owner59 -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 6:18:14 PM)

Some of these peeps are elderly......our moms and grandmas.


[image]http://www.stacyspaulding.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/TrujilloScreenshot1.png[/image]




Owner59 -> RE: Video - Pepper Spray Incident Debunked (11/25/2011 6:20:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

All charges against the 10 students who were arrested at Davis.

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I doubt it unless that person had some kind of preexisting respiratory condition.


And that makes it ok?




Not necessarily nor is that to the point. I'm just sayin that where as it's possible some one was coughing up blood as a result of gettin sprayed,  I'm doubting it.  I'm sayin further up that I think they were using a lower potency spray.


Why don`t you have a toak and tell us how it goes.[8|]




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