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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/26/2011 8:18:06 PM   
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Red-blooded Christian Americans, consider yourselves warned. The American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer has discovered a plot to secretly infiltrate America’s ovens with Muslim turkeys:


I get my Turkeys each at that farm over near the Shriners Ice Rink in North Reading on 62 near 93 (although the kids and I had dinner thursday away from home (at a friend's) for the first time in 10 years... So maybe it was a jihad bird... a jewish guy was the host, so maybe it did some kind of political act inside his oven we were unaware of.
   But I like the really fresh birds from the Massachusetts Yankees who probably only wash their hands well before the slaughter and that's about the extent of the 'ritual' those chaps engaged in.



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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/26/2011 9:31:40 PM   
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You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/26/2011 9:35:59 PM   
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"Fischer" and "Geller"? Never frigging heard of them. They are not "prominent" in any way that matters.
Firm

When Adolf Hitler led the unsuccessful Beer Hall Putsch in Munich, Germany, accompanied by Rudolf Hess (eventually Deputy Fuehrer and later found guilty of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, dying in prison), Hermann Goering (later found guilty of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials and who committed suicide in prison), Ernst Roehm (head of the Nazi’s Paramilitary group, the S.A., until later executed by Hitler), and Julius Streicher (found guilty of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials and executed) in November of 1923, there were, no doubt, many Germans who said at that time:

“Hitler? Hess? Goring? Roehm? Streicher? Never frigging heard of them. They are not "prominent" in any way that matters.”

Of course they were correct - those non-entities never became "'prominent' in any way that matters” and just disappeared, forgotten by everyone by 1924, a year later.

/Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 12:53:14 AM   
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See, DK, why I have you on hide most of the time?

You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

Firm



Yeah Firm, DK's on a tare tonight.
It must be that new "global warming" thread. Anytime those "warmers" (or whatever they're calling themselves this week) are de-bunked or caught in outright lies (which is happening more and more often these days) he gets hyper and starts citing "sources".
Firm, go easy on the Beaver.  ("Da da da Dah da dah dah dah DAH.......")


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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 6:59:35 AM   
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See, DK, why I have you on hide most of the time?

You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

Firm


So IOW firmy can't answer the fact that he supported and spread Gellers bigoted filth last year.

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 7:13:02 AM   
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See, DK, why I have you on hide most of the time?

You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

Firm


So IOW firmy can't answer the fact that he supported and spread Gellers bigoted filth last year.


He already did. As usual youre either fucking lying or so stupid as to not understand that he never supported Geller.

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 7:19:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

See, DK, why I have you on hide most of the time?

You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

Firm


So IOW firmy can't answer the fact that he supported and spread Gellers bigoted filth last year.


He already did. As usual youre either fucking lying or so stupid as to not understand that he never supported Geller.

He most certainly did. He spent an entire thread tossing out her "victory mosque" claim. I already showed that that claim originated with Geller

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 7:25:20 AM   
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See, DK, why I have you on hide most of the time?

You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

Firm


So IOW firmy can't answer the fact that he supported and spread Gellers bigoted filth last year.


He already did. As usual youre either fucking lying or so stupid as to not understand that he never supported Geller.

He most certainly did. He spent an entire thread tossing out her "victory mosque" claim. I already showed that that claim originated with Geller


Which still doesnt mean he supported GELLER.

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 7:28:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

See, DK, why I have you on hide most of the time?

You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

Firm


So IOW firmy can't answer the fact that he supported and spread Gellers bigoted filth last year.


He already did. As usual youre either fucking lying or so stupid as to not understand that he never supported Geller.

He most certainly did. He spent an entire thread tossing out her "victory mosque" claim. I already showed that that claim originated with Geller


Which still doesnt mean he supported GELLER.

He positively spread her claims but that did not suport her? Do you have any ability to think at all?

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 7:35:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

See, DK, why I have you on hide most of the time?

You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

Firm


So IOW firmy can't answer the fact that he supported and spread Gellers bigoted filth last year.


He already did. As usual youre either fucking lying or so stupid as to not understand that he never supported Geller.

He most certainly did. He spent an entire thread tossing out her "victory mosque" claim. I already showed that that claim originated with Geller


Which still doesnt mean he supported GELLER.

He positively spread her claims but that did not suport her? Do you have any ability to think at all?


Do you have the ability to tell the truth, ever? Because you arent as stupid as you are presenting yourself in this thread, so lying is all thats left.

Let me give you a little lesson in logic, just in case you really are that stupid: By your reasoning Im an Obama supporter. (and that doesnt even go quite far enough because at least ive HEARD of Obama.)

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 8:26:39 AM   
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One year, we had Thanksgiving on Friday and on Thursday my mother, brother and I participated in the National Day of Mourning.

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Halal turkey, slaughtered according to the rules of Islamic law, is just the opposite of what Thanksgiving represents: freedom and inclusiveness, neither of which are allowed for under that same Islamic law.


Geller needs a history lesson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Mourning_%28United_States_protest%29

The United American Indians of New England (UAINE) organized their protest to bring publicity to the continued misrepresentation of Native American and colonial experience. They believed that people needed to be educated about what happened when the Pilgrims arrived in North America.

A century ago heavy immigration brought millions of southern and eastern Europeans to the United States. Educators and civic groups thought it necessary to assimilate the new citizens. The new arrivals were taught to view the Pilgrims as models for their own families. The tale of the "First Thanksgiving" was an essential element of this curriculum. The story of the Native Americans and Pilgrims sharing a meal of turkey became part of United States tradition. The story tells of the mutually beneficial relationship between these groups.

UAINE, by contrast, says that the Pilgrims did not find a new and empty land. Every inch of land they claimed was Indian land. They also say that the Pilgrims immigrated as part of a commercial venture and that they introduced sexism, racism, anti-homosexual bigotry, jails, and the class system.[1]

...According to a speech by Moonanum James, Co-Leader of UNAINE, at the 29th National Day of Mourning, November 26, 1998:[4]

Some ask us: Will you ever stop protesting? Some day we will stop protesting: We will stop protesting when the merchants of Plymouth are no longer making millions of dollars off the blood of our slaughtered ancestors. We will stop protesting when we can act as sovereign nations on our own land without the interference of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and what Sitting Bull called the "favorite ration chiefs". When corporations stop polluting our mother, the earth. When racism has been eradicated. When the oppression of Two-Spirited people is a thing of the past. We will stop protesting when homeless people have homes and no child goes to bed hungry. When police brutality no longer exists in communities of color. We will stop protesting when Leonard Peltier and Mumia Abu-Jamal and the Puerto Rican independentistas and all the political prisoners are free. Until then, the struggle will continue.





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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 8:54:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

See, DK, why I have you on hide most of the time?

You have a pretty good verbal/written ability, but your analytical skills seem to be lacking, and about all you wish to do is piss people off, and get into fights over nothing of substance.

I guess I just need to put you back on hide, to remove the temptation to rise to your baiting.

Toodle-oo 

Firm


So IOW firmy can't answer the fact that he supported and spread Gellers bigoted filth last year.


He already did. As usual youre either fucking lying or so stupid as to not understand that he never supported Geller.

He most certainly did. He spent an entire thread tossing out her "victory mosque" claim. I already showed that that claim originated with Geller


Which still doesnt mean he supported GELLER.

He positively spread her claims but that did not suport her? Do you have any ability to think at all?


Do you have the ability to tell the truth, ever? Because you arent as stupid as you are presenting yourself in this thread, so lying is all thats left.

Let me give you a little lesson in logic, just in case you really are that stupid: By your reasoning Im an Obama supporter. (and that doesnt even go quite far enough because at least ive HEARD of Obama.)

Maybe you have supported the President by spreading some idea that originated with him. I've never seen you do it but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. If it has happened then yes you supported the President whether you meant to or not.

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 8:56:50 AM   
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Maybe you have supported the President by spreading some idea that originated with him. I've never seen you do it but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. If it has happened then yes you supported the President whether you meant to or not.


I guess you really are that stupid.

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 9:00:09 AM   
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Maybe you have supported the President by spreading some idea that originated with him. I've never seen you do it but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. If it has happened then yes you supported the President whether you meant to or not.


I guess you really are that stupid.

Poor baby can't deal with basic logic so he has to go to the ad hominen. Let me know when one of you cons learns some basic logic or in your case finishes a course on remedial math.

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 9:30:39 AM   
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Every single turkey that Butterball sells has been ritually slaughtered according to Islamic practice and has had an Islamic prayer prayed over that bird while it is being slaughtered.


While I do like the idea of saying a prayer and thanking the animal in the Native American tradition, I don't like the Halal requirement that the animal be conscious:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328616/Halal-meat-served-schools-hospitals-pubs-Vets-say-Islamic-slaughter-cruel.html

...For their part, many Muslims claim it is their religious duty to eat only halal meat from unstunned animals. It is vital, they say, that the animal be slaughtered while fully conscious so it can receive Allah’s blessing.

...‘Animals that are stunned are not halal. An animal that is unconscious is not going to listen to the prayer.

‘In the Holy Book, it says that the animal should listen to the prayers of Allah. If it’s unconscious, then it won’t be able to do that.’

Though the deep incision to the neck cuts through the animal’s windpipe and main arteries, the creatures are still able to cry out.

During my two-hour visit, I watch as lamb after lamb has its throat sliced open while fully conscious. They make pitiful bleating and gurgling sounds as they choke on their own blood. It’s a chilling sound that, once heard, stays with you for days afterwards.

And then there’s the fact that the animals can witness each other being killed as they travel along the ­conveyor belt. Their hooves twitch wildly as they try to break fee.

One lamb cries out for more than 20 seconds before it flops off the end of the conveyor belt and on to a rotating table. From there, it is shackled by its hind legs and hauled up to the ceiling on a hook, where it is left with a dozen others to ‘bleed out’ — another ­important part of the halal process.

Of course, no slaughter of an animal is easy to watch. But it is hard to remain dispassionate as I watch ­dozens of still-conscious animals bleeding to death, the floor covered by an inch of warm, frothy blood.

I find myself siding with the British Veterinary Association in its claim that the process is more inhumane than conventional stunned slaughter. Surely it would cause less suffering for the animals to be stunned first.

That is not to say that conventional abattoirs operate without fault. ­Earlier this year, I investigated an organic slaughterhouse, certified by the Soil Association, that had been secretly filmed by the welfare group Animal Aid.

Inside, the staff were caught beating animals and failing to stun them before cutting their throats.

Steve McGrath, chief executive of the Meat Hygiene Service, later said: ‘I have watched the film and have seen abject cruelty by the slaughtermen to the animals being killed; ­ineffective stunning; animals having their necks dislocated and heads decapitated before being fully bled; pigs being kicked; and shackling before stunning.’

Similar problems were found in every one of the seven slaughterhouses that Animal Aid secretly filmed, despite the presence of ­Government appointed vets. At least in this halal abattoir, I do not witness any deliberate mistreatment.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328616/Halal-meat-served-schools-hospitals-pubs-Vets-say-Islamic-slaughter-cruel.html#ixzz1evaeeaTS

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 9:42:05 AM   
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Maybe you have supported the President by spreading some idea that originated with him. I've never seen you do it but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. If it has happened then yes you supported the President whether you meant to or not.



Its good to know youre a GWB supporter. Theres hope for you yet.

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 9:43:08 AM   
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...Holland [has joined] Sweden, Luxembourg, Norway and Switzerland as the fifth European country to legislate against religious slaughter, something which has prompted Britain's chief rabbi Jonathan Sacks to warn of a "domino effect". Others, meanwhile, would support a spread of such legislation – animal rights groups broadly back a ban, as do groups like the British Humanist Association and the National Secular Society.

...I'm not comfortable with the idea of pursuing a specifically religious practice in such a way, particularly when it is framed as a humanist issue.

If the humanist reason for wanting a ban on religious slaughter is animal welfare, then the implication is that animal welfare is a humanist issue. Perhaps so... But if that is the case, then why should ritual slaughter be the only animal welfare issue pursued by humanists? The animal rights group VIVA state that, of the 900 million animals slaughtered for food each year in Britain, around 12 million are killed by Muslim or Jewish ritual methods. I think in order for me to want to throw my support behind a ban on ritual slaughter I'd have to be convinced that the suffering endured by that 1.3 per cent of animals at the moment of death is somehow greater than the suffering inflicted upon far greater percentages during the course of their lives through transport and living conditions. Otherwise, campaigning specifically on the issue of religious slaughter feels, for me, uncomfortably like scapegoating.

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 10:04:54 AM   
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"Fischer" and "Geller"? Never frigging heard of them. They are not "prominent" in any way that matters.
Firm

When Adolf Hitler led the unsuccessful Beer Hall Putsch in Munich, Germany, accompanied by Rudolf Hess (eventually Deputy Fuehrer and later found guilty of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, dying in prison), Hermann Goering (later found guilty of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials and who committed suicide in prison), Ernst Roehm (head of the Nazi’s Paramilitary group, the S.A., until later executed by Hitler), and Julius Streicher (found guilty of crimes against humanity at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials and executed) in November of 1923, there were, no doubt, many Germans who said at that time:

“Hitler? Hess? Goring? Roehm? Streicher? Never frigging heard of them. They are not "prominent" in any way that matters.”
Of course they were correct - those non-entities never became "'prominent' in any way that matters” and just disappeared, forgotten by everyone by 1924, a year later.

Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies
Firm

From the link you provided:

Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.

However, I did not ever mean to imply that your positon re: Geller, Fischer, the American Family Association, et. al., was analogous to those Germans who supported the Nazis in 1923 but rather that your positon re: Geller, Fischer, the American Family Association, et. al., was analogous to those Germans who ignored them in 1923 and suffered for that later. I apologize if I was not clear.

Perhaps a better analogy regarding your position re: Geller, Fischer, the American Family Association, et. al., could be best indicated in this graphic:




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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 11:03:45 AM   
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Maybe you have supported the President by spreading some idea that originated with him. I've never seen you do it but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. If it has happened then yes you supported the President whether you meant to or not.



Its good to know youre a GWB supporter. Theres hope for you yet.

Can you present a single idea that I ever agreed with that originated with W?

However changing the subject doesn't change the facts cry baby. Did you learn how to multiply yet?

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RE: Was a foreign invader on your dinner table this Tha... - 11/27/2011 11:04:45 AM   
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Maybe you have supported the President by spreading some idea that originated with him. I've never seen you do it but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. If it has happened then yes you supported the President whether you meant to or not.



Its good to know youre a GWB supporter. Theres hope for you yet.

Can you present a single idea that I ever agreed with that originated with W?

However changing the subject doesn't change the facts cry baby. Did you learn how to multiply yet?


that is precisely the topic of your hijack. And yes, youve supported many things that Obama has done that originated with GWB. Thanks for your support.

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