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Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 10:53:28 AM   
Iamsemisweet


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I know there are a lot of horse lover on CM and in this country- I am one of them. I have been opposed to slaughterhouses in the past.  But I can't help but think that banning humane slaughter of horses has led to more suffering and starvation for horses than it has prevented.  I would personally not choose to eat horse, but I don't see this as a terrible thing anymore. 

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TULSA, Okla. -- Horses could soon be butchered in the U.S. for human consumption after Congress quietly lifted a 5-year-old ban on funding horse meat inspections, and activists say slaughterhouses could be up and running in as little as a month. Slaughter opponents pushed a measure cutting off funding for horse meat inspections through Congress in 2006 after other efforts to pass outright bans on horse slaughter failed in previous years. Congress lifted the ban in a spending bill President Barack Obama signed into law Nov. 18 to keep the government afloat until mid-December. It did not, however, allocate any new money to pay for horse meat inspections, which opponents claim could cost taxpayers $3 million to $5 million a year. The U.S. Department of Agriculture would have to find the money in its existing budget, which is expected to see more cuts this year as Congress and the White House aim to trim federal spending.


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 11:41:19 AM   
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I love horses. My two boys are part of my family. Both were purchased at an auction where kill buyers were bidding against me.

What people do not realize is that horses have been slaughtered all along. Just not for human consumption. On a dog/cat food bag where it says animal byproducts or whatever....this does not mean it is beef, pork, or chicken.

In the part of the country I life there are hundreds upon hundreds of idiots that seem to think some mediocre stallion and mare are prime breeding animals. Every year I drive by dozens of places on my daily commute where I see new foals every single spring. Not one should have been born. Not a single one.

So, what happens to all of these animals? A few end up dying of neglect. A few, very few, end up in the hands of a caring owner, trained and used as a horse is meant to be used. Most end up getting passed around until they find themselves at some small town auction. Bought by a kill buyer, herded into a semi stock hauling truck, many with bad injuries, broken legs, whatever......and taken down the road, never to be seen alive again.

IF the human consumption was allowed, it would open up the dirty little secrets of breeding horses for meat, hold all stages of the people involved to a standard that most cattle and pork production is held to. I know that PETA would have you believe that all mean animals are treated horribly but that is very much not the case. Especially the cattle that are raised in my little part of the world. You cannot take a sick or badly injured beef or hog to a butchering facility, they will be rejected. If the horse is raised for human consumption, the quality of meat aka the treatment of the horses, would improve.

I don't love the idea but considering what exists now and has for as long as I can remember, it would be an improvement.


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 11:52:25 AM   
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I'd try it.


Yeah, I know Im gonna get flamed for saying that. Oh well.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 11:53:37 AM   
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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 11:54:36 AM   
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This is more proof that the law of unintended consequences does indeed rule.Pass a law that stops the slaughtering of horses for human consumption here...and all you do is drive down the price of horse flesh and consign many of these animals to cruel and inhumane trips north(Canada) or south(Mexico).Humane treatment for horses does indeed seem to be beyond our reach,much as insuring humane treatment for other four legged species.We,as a species,have apparently not evolved enough to be truly humane to other people,how can we hope to legislate it towards "lesser" species ?

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 11:57:18 AM   
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I've had it several times on visits to France.

Rather nice - I'd recommend it.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 12:00:15 PM   
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The other thing that has caused the amount of horses to skyrocket is Premarin. You need to keep breeding mares to make this drug. You certainly don't need good quality horses, just sheer amounts. Then of course, you have all those worn out mares and unwanted foals to dispose of.

And with the economy what it is, even responsible horse owners have become unable to support them any more. The ASPCA will investigate if someone says you mistreat your horse, but it won't accept one that you can't afford to have any more.


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 12:06:24 PM   
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I don't love the idea either.  But this weekend, I spent $290 a ton on hay.  It was $240 a ton in July, and $175.00 a year ago.  There are going to be more and more people looking for options for their unwanted horses.  I would rather see humane, local slaughterhouses, than horses dumped in the woods or starving to death in some stall.  



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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 12:27:55 PM   
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I love pigs, chickens, turkey, and cattle, and gladly eat them all. I love horses more than them, and would willingly try some, given the opportunity.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 12:28:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I love horses. My two boys are part of my family. Both were purchased at an auction where kill buyers were bidding against me.

What people do not realize is that horses have been slaughtered all along. Just not for human consumption. On a dog/cat food bag where it says animal byproducts or whatever....this does not mean it is beef, pork, or chicken.

In the part of the country I life there are hundreds upon hundreds of idiots that seem to think some mediocre stallion and mare are prime breeding animals. Every year I drive by dozens of places on my daily commute where I see new foals every single spring. Not one should have been born. Not a single one.

So, what happens to all of these animals? A few end up dying of neglect. A few, very few, end up in the hands of a caring owner, trained and used as a horse is meant to be used. Most end up getting passed around until they find themselves at some small town auction. Bought by a kill buyer, herded into a semi stock hauling truck, many with bad injuries, broken legs, whatever......and taken down the road, never to be seen alive again.

IF the human consumption was allowed, it would open up the dirty little secrets of breeding horses for meat, hold all stages of the people involved to a standard that most cattle and pork production is held to. I know that PETA would have you believe that all mean animals are treated horribly but that is very much not the case. Especially the cattle that are raised in my little part of the world. You cannot take a sick or badly injured beef or hog to a butchering facility, they will be rejected. If the horse is raised for human consumption, the quality of meat aka the treatment of the horses, would improve.

I don't love the idea but considering what exists now and has for as long as I can remember, it would be an improvement.

The other thing that has caused the amount of horses to skyrocket is Premarin. You need to keep breeding mares to make this drug. You certainly don't need good quality horses, just sheer amounts. Then of course, you have all those worn out mares and unwanted foals to dispose of.

And with the economy what it is, even responsible horse owners have become unable to support them any more. The ASPCA will investigate if someone says you mistreat your horse, but it won't accept one that you can't afford to have any more.




i grew up next to a people who had their horses bred. and down the road was a trainer & breeder. all was nice people. and there is nothing wrong with breeding horses. if you can breed dogs,cats, birds, snakes, humans then you can breed horses. i live in the state that is known for horses and no i mostly like wouldn't try horse meat but i wouldn't be nasty or mean to someone who did. another thing, PETA can suck my strap on dick! we humans are made to eat meat! and i'd love to tie down one of those little skinny white bitches and forced feed her a huge meaty double quarter-pounder with cheese, bacon, tomato, swiss cheese, mushrooms, and eveything else. or a huge 24 oz stake, hot and juicy off the grill cook to mid rare, with shrimp topped on it with garlic cheese, and loaded cheese and mac!

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 12:40:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aara


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I love horses. My two boys are part of my family. Both were purchased at an auction where kill buyers were bidding against me.

What people do not realize is that horses have been slaughtered all along. Just not for human consumption. On a dog/cat food bag where it says animal byproducts or whatever....this does not mean it is beef, pork, or chicken.

In the part of the country I life there are hundreds upon hundreds of idiots that seem to think some mediocre stallion and mare are prime breeding animals. Every year I drive by dozens of places on my daily commute where I see new foals every single spring. Not one should have been born. Not a single one.

So, what happens to all of these animals? A few end up dying of neglect. A few, very few, end up in the hands of a caring owner, trained and used as a horse is meant to be used. Most end up getting passed around until they find themselves at some small town auction. Bought by a kill buyer, herded into a semi stock hauling truck, many with bad injuries, broken legs, whatever......and taken down the road, never to be seen alive again.

IF the human consumption was allowed, it would open up the dirty little secrets of breeding horses for meat, hold all stages of the people involved to a standard that most cattle and pork production is held to. I know that PETA would have you believe that all mean animals are treated horribly but that is very much not the case. Especially the cattle that are raised in my little part of the world. You cannot take a sick or badly injured beef or hog to a butchering facility, they will be rejected. If the horse is raised for human consumption, the quality of meat aka the treatment of the horses, would improve.

I don't love the idea but considering what exists now and has for as long as I can remember, it would be an improvement.

The other thing that has caused the amount of horses to skyrocket is Premarin. You need to keep breeding mares to make this drug. You certainly don't need good quality horses, just sheer amounts. Then of course, you have all those worn out mares and unwanted foals to dispose of.

And with the economy what it is, even responsible horse owners have become unable to support them any more. The ASPCA will investigate if someone says you mistreat your horse, but it won't accept one that you can't afford to have any more.




i grew up next to a people who had their horses bred. and down the road was a trainer & breeder. all was nice people. and there is nothing wrong with breeding horses. if you can breed dogs,cats, birds, snakes, humans then you can breed horses. i live in the state that is known for horses and no i mostly like wouldn't try horse meat but i wouldn't be nasty or mean to someone who did. another thing, PETA can suck my strap on dick! we humans are made to eat meat! and i'd love to tie down one of those little skinny white bitches and forced feed her a huge meaty double quarter-pounder with cheese, bacon, tomato, swiss cheese, mushrooms, and eveything else. or a huge 24 oz stake, hot and juicy off the grill cook to mid rare, with shrimp topped on it with garlic cheese, and loaded cheese and mac!


Can I get a front row seat to that?!

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 12:46:33 PM   
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Horse meat is supposed to be good. Never knowingly had it, but if it's fed properly, it should be fine.



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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 12:53:13 PM   
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I have heard some say it is sweet in flavor.

Perhaps MyOtherSelf would be willing to either confirm or deny this.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 1:02:56 PM   
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quote:

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i grew up next to a people who had their horses bred. and down the road was a trainer & breeder. all was nice people. and there is nothing wrong with breeding horses. if you can breed dogs,cats, birds, snakes, humans then you can breed horses.


I have no problem with anyone breeding QUALITY horses, dogs or cats. People that actually know what the fuck they are doing and do it responsibly. Unfortunately the greater percentage of people that breed all three mentioned above do not have a clue and do not do it responsibly. Those are the people I have a problem with.


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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 1:21:51 PM   
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Right on, LaT.  What is the point in backyard breeding dogs and horses, without health checks or any consideration at all of the quality of the offspring?  I have nothing against breeding animals, I want to be able to acquire high quality, well bred animals.  But just breeding with no particular purpose or goal, especially in light of the number of unwanted animals, is irresponsible. 
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i grew up next to a people who had their horses bred. and down the road was a trainer & breeder. all was nice people. and there is nothing wrong with breeding horses. if you can breed dogs,cats, birds, snakes, humans then you can breed horses.


I have no problem with anyone breeding QUALITY horses, dogs or cats. People that actually know what the fuck they are doing and do it responsibly. Unfortunately the greater percentage of people that breed all three mentioned above do not have a clue and do not do it responsibly. Those are the people I have a problem with.



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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 1:26:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: aara

i grew up next to a people who had their horses bred. and down the road was a trainer & breeder. all was nice people. and there is nothing wrong with breeding horses. if you can breed dogs,cats, birds, snakes, humans then you can breed horses.


I have no problem with anyone breeding QUALITY horses, dogs or cats. People that actually know what the fuck they are doing and do it responsibly. Unfortunately the greater percentage of people that breed all three mentioned above do not have a clue and do not do it responsibly. Those are the people I have a problem with.



This! (winks at my Darling)

I have friends who are responsible breeders of quality animals. Too many buy an animal thinking for whatever reason that they can get good litters from it (for the money of course) and then wind up with animals that they can't rehome, with defects and personality issues. Too many puppy mills and people who cannot be bothered to spay/neuter or control their animals.

A local person on Fetl had to get rid of a litter of guinea pigs, which he bred SO HIS KIDS COULD SEE THE BABIES. If I could have reached through the screen...

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 2:17:36 PM   
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I doubt much of the horse flesh will stay in the US. France is crazy for it and pays premium prices.

I do agree I'd much rather not see horses slaughtered for meat but we do have way too many horses and people keep breeding more. LaT is right.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 2:29:04 PM   
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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 2:47:20 PM   
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I would personally love to find horse meat in an American supermarket, but I don't think it's likely, even after slaughter will be allowed again.
Most all of the horse meat slaughtered on American soil is destined for export, and the only place you're likely to find any is posh European style restaurants.

I've always found the meat selecting in American supermarkets dreadfully disappointing.
You get a selection of beef, pork and chicken, and maybe some turkey with the sandwich meat or around thanksgiving.

I'm used to having beef, pork, chicken, venison, horse, turkey, duck, pheasant and wild hog to choose from on a daily basis. With the more respectable supermarkets in Belgium also having a readily available selection of ostrich, partridge, kangaroo, alligator, snake and several types of African antelope in their selection.
Quail eggs and duck eggs are another thing I miss, which can be found next to the chicken eggs in the supermarkets I'm used to.

I personally love horse meat, and there is a variety of Belgian dishes I haven't been able to taste or make due to the severely limited choices in the US. I'd welcome more diversity, especially considering that I've never understood the American practice of letting perfectly good horse meat go to waste, instead of being used for reasonable purposes. The only thing it does is promote more suffering abused horses, and more cattle being raised in abysmal circumstances to make up for all the perfectly good meat that is now basically tossed in the garbage.

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RE: Coming to a grocery store near you - filet of horse - 11/30/2011 2:51:11 PM   
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Most Americans are very timid eaters or at least that is the impression you get from our grocery stores.

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