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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 9:29:11 AM   
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Thanks needlesandpins --

My crock pot has a timer.  So i start it on low in the morning before leaving for work and then it should be done by the time i get home?

Can you explain why it is better to dethaw so i know in the future the whys?   Also, how do i dethaw two frozen solid loins quickly without cooking them in the microwave dethaw lol.


put them on a plate and in the fridge the morning before. you maybe able to get away with cooking from frozen as you plan to do it for so long. but as a rule poultry shouldn't be cooked from frozen due to it not getting cooked correctly in the middle compared to the outside. i cook steaks from frozen as i like them rare, but i wouldn't cook chicken from frozen due to the bacteria it holds. some people would cope, others wouldn't depending on your digestion. so i'm advising for safety really.

you can defrost in the microwave as long as you plan on cooking straight from there due to the heating process. you don't want it cooling again. it won't matter then if it does start cooking while defrosting. some people will put meat in hot water to defrost it but heath and safety wouldn't advise it. as long as the meat is thoroughly cooked as soon as it's started heating it should be ok. if not then defrost from the day before in the fridge.

the meat you have is a very tender cut, so neither would take huge amounts of cooking without becoming dry. so 6-8 hours on low should be more than enough, baring in mind you plan to further cook with it.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 9:30:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		MadAxeman, Actually banana's I was told by the diabetic nutritionist, are to high in sugars and will spike me so I am not to eat a whole banana, only a half a banana and even at that I am not to eat them very often.
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Bananas are good, both fresh and spotted.


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 9:34:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		For the pork loin, modified to be extra easy for Angel.
    1 (2 pound) pork tenderloin 1 (1 ounce) envelope dry onion soup mix 2 cups water 3 tablespoons garlic powder (if you have it)
    3 tablespoons soy sauce (if you have it)
    freshly ground black pepper to taste
  • DO NOT add salt, the onion mix has enough sodium in it
Place pork tenderloin in a slow cooker with the contents of the soup packet. Pour water and soy sauce over the top, turning the pork to coat. Carefully spread garlic over the pork, leaving as much on top of the roast during cooking as possible. Sprinkle with pepper, cover, and cook on low setting for 4 hours. Serve with cooking liquid on the side as au jus.


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 9:40:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhh thanks needlesandpins!  i will see whaqt happens!!

grins ChatteParfaitt  -- me need easy --- NEVER .  i ALWAYS have garlic powder lol.  I put it pretty much in everything.


Thanks you both. 

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 9:49:00 AM   
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Thanks needlesandpins --

My crock pot has a timer.  So i start it on low in the morning before leaving for work and then it should be done by the time i get home?

Can you explain why it is better to dethaw so i know in the future the whys?   Also, how do i dethaw two frozen solid loins quickly without cooking them in the microwave dethaw lol.


To insure that the center of the mass from all directions attains the correct internal temperature.

If it is low, bacteria could survive in large numbers and poison your stuff in the fridge.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 9:49:34 AM   
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MadAxeman, Actually banana's I was told by the diabetic nutritionist, are to high in sugars and will spike me so I am not to eat a whole banana, only a half a banana and even at that I am not to eat them very often.
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Bananas are good, both fresh and spotted.




i'd say that while eating healthy on a tight budget may be difficult it isn't impossible. now considering you age and that you state you are pre diabetic i would suggest that living off of fast food is the last thing you want to do. most ping meals are high in salt, fat and sugar as well as other carbs. this diet also won't help your weight, which i'm guessing is a contributary to your condition. i know weight isn't the be all and end all of health, and i'm all for people being the way that makes them happy, but surely a healthier diet of proteins and as much fresh veg as possible has to be better for you over all than fast food.

anything green is good to go except garden peas in excess. a crockpot, or stock pot means everything can be cooked together and spices adds variety.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 10:23:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		One reason could be that if you have them in direct contact with the crock pot liner, as it heats up the cold difference could crack your crock pot I hear, and obviously fully frozen things will take longer to cook I presume.



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Can you explain why it is better to dethaw so i know in the future the whys?  



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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 10:53:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most, but not all. Healthy choice steamers has a lot of healthier tv dinners, I pick the ones low in sugar, low in carbs, and not a lot of calories, between 300 sometimes less, a reasonable amount of sodium, and has a lot of potassium and some have a ton of fiber, and they're not expensive, they're 1.48 a piece. If they're high in carbs or sugars like say 70 carbs and 28 or more grams of sugar, for one dinner, I do not pick those, I stay 17 grams and under for sugar.


My dr even approves of me eating them, because I pick the most healthy ones out of the bunch. Things like chicken and carrots and green beans with a bit of rice, and then water chestnuts. Yes rice is not the greatest for diabetics but that depends on you and how you process rice, and how much you're eating, some D's can have it and not spike or spike badly, and some can't.

home cooked would still be preferable I just don't like to cook. I don't find it enjoyable, or relaxing, or satisfying , and I get no help in the kitchen, as Daddy is at work all day, in a kitchen doing food prep and what not , and when he gets home wants nothing to do with kitchen work, or cooking, plus he gets home so late I have to cook while he's gone , most the time if I do cook, cooking a meal at 8 pm and then eating at 8:30 or 9 or 10, depending on what it is and how long it takes it just to late to eat.

So, I don't find it as fun or joyful as a lot of people find it, in fact I find it stressful and I find unless the time on my feet is very very minimal the time spent cooking sets off pain flare ups, as I have a slipped disk pressing on a nerve that causes leg pain and weakness.

I really wish I did find being in the kitchen and being domestic-y as joyous and enjoyable as many other people do, it's an enviable thing.



One of the many reasons to love your crock pot I suppose. And I almost spelled it cock pot, I should of left that typo in, it would of been funny.


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most ping meals are high in salt, fat and sugar as well as other carbs.

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r as well as other carbs. this diet also won'


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 10:58:20 AM   
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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 11:22:20 AM   
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I am also sure that the alcohol cooks off in cooking with alcohol and just the flavor is left, but I am not supposed to drink on the meds I am on, And Daddy does not drink either, and when he can afford a dr and get his depression medication, he will not be supposed to drink on those meds either.


so we do not have a lot these things around the house , the stuff that is there, is my parents, and my dad probably would not look kindly on me wating to take his best whiskey to cook with lol.


and I will not go out and buy a bottle of port, or whiskey or rum, just to cook with, because it's a waste of money.


I know the aldohol cooks off, I just prefer to cook without it whenever possible. I don't make a lot of things that call for it, so it is something I would rather not buy. Neighbors and friends don't drink liquor either, so it isn't like I could borrow a cup. Most recipes can be made just as good without it.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 11:25:36 AM   
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Easily. Instead of the 1/2 cup sherry, substitute 1/4 cup more soy sauce and 1/4 cup more honey.

This is also a recipe you can play with. Like use molasses instead of honey, add chopped scallions, red pepper flakes, what ever floats your boat in terms of taste.

I once used Morgan's spiced rum and was very pleasantly surprised. Not enough to always buy it for my teriyake sauce, but it was very good.



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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 11:27:05 AM   
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so it is something I would rather not buy.



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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 11:32:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, sugar substitutes are not great for diabetics either and should be used in moderation. Enough moderation that unless baking, it is more cost effective and health wise no different that plain sugar (tsp for tsp). The body of a diabetic will recognize all sweeteners as sugar basically, which is why most of them should be limited, but not eliminated.

Molasses huh? Honey I can see, although for me, I would have to lessen the amount, or it would be too sweet (tastewise). But molasses would definately change the flavor, wouldn't it? I'm not a big fan of the stuff. Sadly, I am a huge fan of bread. Good bread.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 11:44:37 AM   
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Actually to me, pineapple juice would not be a good substitute for natural sweetner because its very high in fructose -- for a diabetic they may as well use regular sugar.   However, i am still learning about the substitutions of sweetners  for diabetics  -- to me -- however, substituting honey or molasses for natural sugar is not a substitution.

ChatteParfaitt, are you a diabetic or have you knowledge of same, when you suggest these substitutions because it would be great if i can substitute molasses for splenda in my coffee and it not mess up my blood sugars.  I love pineapple juice so that would be great too, but when i tried eating apples my A1C spiked from 6.3 to 10.6 in 3 months and they indicated it was because of the fructose in the fruit.

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How many apples were you eating? Earlier this year, I had really gotten my BS regulated, and I ate a lot of blueberries and dried cranberries. Apples, a couple a week.

If you like the flavor of molasses, you can use it in your coffee, but I don't know how much coffee you drink or how much sugar you use. Those are the things that are going to mess up your blood sugar. I usually drink my coffee black, so it I never think about it. I will buy flavored coffees. I don't notice a taste difference usually, but I like the smell. Also if you put milk in your coffee, that has naturally occuring sugars in it. So if you are a "light and sweet" kind of girl who drinks 5-6 cups a day while working (I drank a lot of coffee on the job).

Overall, you are better off lessening the amount of sugar you use. Splenda is better than Equal or Sweet and Low. Trulia is supposed to be better than Splenda. Pineapple juice in your coffee? For me that would be horrible tasting, but just a touch for you might be ok.

A big part of the problem for us Type II's is that doctors tend to only do Blood Glucose and A1C tests. Sure that tells you blood sugar levels, but it is only part of the story. Insulin resistance can often be the cause, and there is a different test for that, and it should be treated differently. An oral glucose tolerance test gives better results as to WHY your blood sugar is high and whether your body is no creating insulin or just resisting what is there.

Anyway, your best bet for coffee not messing with your blood sugar is to slowly learn to lessen the amount of sweetener you use.


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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 11:50:04 AM   
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My dom is diabetic, (type 2) and I had gestational diabetes while pregnant, so yes I know some things. The main one is that a more natural sugar substitute (like pineapple juice, honey, or molasses), will take longer to break down in your system, which means a diabetic *might* have an easier time assimilating those sugars.

If you are type 1 a/o have to avoid sugar completely, you have no choice but to choose the "unnatural" sugar substituent. They have some new ones out, so I'd ask my doc which ones were best for me.



Actually Chatte, a Type I diabetic doesn't create insulin at all and so their insulin is obtained completely through injections (or pump). They don't avoid sugar entirely, that was the "old school" method of treatment. Type I's do need to monitor what they are eating so they can adjust their insulin accordingly. The same goes for Type II's who are treated with insulin.

The American Diabetes Center doesn't recommend always using "unnatural" sugar substitutes, as they aren't as effective as once thought in preventing spikes. Even "natural" sugar sources, like fruits need to be consumed with caution and some should be only consumed as a "treat" once in a while.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 12:02:41 PM   
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We really should have an ongoing Cooking discussion/questions here thread lol for us pathetic people who need the advise of those who know.

I have a JennieO lemon garlic turkey breast tenderloin 1.5 lbs, frozen solid use by 10.07.11
a Smithfield Garlic & Herb Pork Loin filet 1.7 lbs also frozen solid use by is 02.06.10

I froze both of these before the dates on the package.

This actually goes with the thread lol as i got these on sale really inexpensive.

So the question is because i am trying not to eat out for the next month ---
1) is the almost 2 year old Pork loin okay to use as it's been frozen?  Also do they need to thaw before cooking in a slow cooker?

2. i have 1 giant crockpot, can i cook both of these at the same time?  If so, can someone help me and tell me how? 
If i should cook them separately, can you tell me how to do each?

I just want to cook up the meat so i can use the meat for different meals.

Thanks!  angel




If they aren't freezer burned (you will be able to tell, it will be really covered in ice crystals and discolored), they should be fine.

If you cook them together, it should be ok, but I would cook them separately so you have totally different meals.

Because they are already seasoned from what you say, all you need to do is thaw them out (yes, that needs to be done before using the crock pot), perhaps add a cup of water and turn it on.

The pork loin, once defrosted will take less than an hour in the oven at 350 degrees. Same thing with the Turkey breast. You won't save any time by doing them in the crock pot, they will actually take longer. I bought chicken drumsticks on sale at the grocery store that were preseasoned (salt, pepper, oregano, etc.) and cooked them in the crock pot with NO water for a couple of hours and they were delicious.

Remember if the turkey has skin on it it has it's own fat, so you don't need much water in the crock pot. Same with the pork.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 12:06:15 PM   
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I buy cheap wine or sherry to use just for cooking, since I don't drink wine except as a special thing (although I love good wine). Over the holidays I do buy brandy for brandy balls, since it's one of my xmas cookie staples. They need to made 2 weeks ahead.

So I use the rest of the brandy for my ham glaze and for my corn pudding (yum), so it's all good.



My nana used to make rum balls, are they similar. I do NOT bake. Cook yes. Bake cookies and stuff? No. I learned a long time ago, but I'm not that huge of a sweet eater and if I made them, I would eat them.

So I guess we will need to expand this whole recipe for some goodies too and maybe you will stary with your brandy ball recipe? And of course if you know how to make rum balls, Nana never wrote down the recipe, but I did love those.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 12:06:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		i had a great aunty who was a type 1 diabetic. i asked one christmas what i should cook for her as she was coming for dinner. i was told that she would eat the same as everyone else and sort out her insulin accordingly. she said that there wasn't anything that she didn't have, she just watched her levels and medicated accordingly. she lived well into her 80's doing that.

some sweetners are rubbish when heated and lose their sweetness. some are very bad for the kidneys and some leave a horrid aftertaste. so it does make me wonder whether it's really worth it. the trouble we have is that our palate has become so used to refined sugar that we use far more than we really should. i have sugar in the house but apart from baking and jams i don't use it. the most sugar is used by Him when He visits because he has sugar in his coffee.

i've done low carb low fat dishes and there is alot you can do.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 12:13:28 PM   
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Thanks needlesandpins --

My crock pot has a timer.  So i start it on low in the morning before leaving for work and then it should be done by the time i get home?

Can you explain why it is better to dethaw so i know in the future the whys?   Also, how do i dethaw two frozen solid loins quickly without cooking them in the microwave dethaw lol.


Keep in mind that just because you are using the crock pot, not all things are going to be "better" if they cooked for hours on end. Turkey and pork loin can both dry out.

The reason you thaw first is because if you don't the outside will cook faster than the inside, so you will burn the outside (which gets more direct heat) and the inside will be raw or still frozen.

Try to NEVER defrost in the microwave. No matter how I've done it, some of the edges end up cooking a little. Throw it in the fridge a day or two before you want to cook it, or take it out in the morning (especially in this weather) put in a bowl on the counter or the sink and let it defrost naturally. The former is the best way to defrost, but the other way isn't going to spoil the meat.

If you are in a hurry to defrost UNSEASONED meat, put it in a dish with luke warm (think room temperature) water, enough to cover. Wait about 20 minutes, check, and if necessary change the water. If it is chicken pieces, break them apart as soon as you can they will defrost faster.

ETA: everyone's suggestions are great, but you have pre-seasoned meats here. If you rinse them, those seasoning will be gone. Then you can follow anyone's seasoning recipes.

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RE: What can you knock up cheap? - 12/3/2011 12:24:58 PM   
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