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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 6:11:03 AM   
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They're everywhere. You have to go to them. They don't advertise with huge signs. We have a church here in Louisville that welcomes all faiths. What an interesting concept! Another that is largely gay and lesbian, but they too, welcome everyone. I suspect they aren't only here but everywhere. (or we're just darn lucky)


But you still haven't shown me anything.



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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 6:15:59 AM   
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wait, if you trace the lineage of christ, wasn't he hebrew and african if you follow the cultural/racial placement of where his parents come from? If not interracial I doubt at the very least that he was racist. This entire situation is absurd.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 6:22:35 AM   
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I didnt say the movement didnt back gay marriage. In fact, many religious groups do too.

Gay Marriage And Religion Go Hand-In-Hand Among Many Young Americans: Survey



Your link is not applicable.

Show me any official church policy that backs it.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 6:31:03 AM   
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They're everywhere. You have to go to them. They don't advertise with huge signs. We have a church here in Louisville that welcomes all faiths. What an interesting concept! Another that is largely gay and lesbian, but they too, welcome everyone. I suspect they aren't only here but everywhere. (or we're just darn lucky)


But you still haven't shown me anything.





You see what you choose to see. And you close your eyes to the rest. I cannot close my eyes to the bad, but I will not pretend there is not good as well. That's what you seem to have done though.

What exactly do you want from me? PM me your city and state and I'll find churches in your area that are gay and lesbian friendly, and allow people of any race to attend. I'll attempt to find at least five.

I suspect you'll still find the haters in the group though. Every group has them. We have to learn to avoid them and focus on the good.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 6:58:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

They're everywhere. You have to go to them. They don't advertise with huge signs. We have a church here in Louisville that welcomes all faiths. What an interesting concept! Another that is largely gay and lesbian, but they too, welcome everyone. I suspect they aren't only here but everywhere. (or we're just darn lucky)


But you still haven't shown me anything.





You see what you choose to see. And you close your eyes to the rest. I cannot close my eyes to the bad, but I will not pretend there is not good as well. That's what you seem to have done though.

What exactly do you want from me? PM me your city and state and I'll find churches in your area that are gay and lesbian friendly, and allow people of any race to attend. I'll attempt to find at least five.

I suspect you'll still find the haters in the group though. Every group has them. We have to learn to avoid them and focus on the good.


I am talking about institutionalized religion.

And there is not one major faith that I know of which supports homosexuality or gay marriage. 

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 9:42:39 AM   
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But you still haven't shown me anything.


Tazzy gave you this on page 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

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Show me any official church policy that backs it.


http://www.uua.org/beliefs/justice/6252.shtml

Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Community

Unitarian Universalist congregations extend a warm welcome to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people and their families. We are a caring, open-minded faith community that encourages you to seek your own spiritual path. Our congregations are places where people gather to nurture their spirits and put their faith into action by helping to make our communities—and the world—a better place.

We believe that our first principle, respecting “the inherent worth and dignity of every person,” applies equally to people of all sexual orientations and gender identities/ gender expressions. Unitarian Universalism has intentionally reached out to LGBT people and their families. Our Welcoming Congregations have completed a program to enhance their welcome of all people.

Unitarian Universalism is one of the few religions that ordains openly bisexual, gay, lesbian, and transgender people. Our LGBT clergy (who are permitted to partner or marry) participate fully in our faith community as pastors in some of our largest congregations.

We work to promote acceptance, inclusion, understanding, and equity for bisexual, gay, lesbian, and/or transgender persons of all colors, races, and ethnicities, both within the UUA and in society at large. We are committed to protecting the civil and legal rights of LGBT people and families across the country. Unitarian Universalists have been at the forefront of the same-sex marriage debates, advocating for the right for each person to marry the partner of his or her choice.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 10:48:46 AM   
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They're everywhere. You have to go to them. They don't advertise with huge signs. We have a church here in Louisville that welcomes all faiths. What an interesting concept! Another that is largely gay and lesbian, but they too, welcome everyone. I suspect they aren't only here but everywhere. (or we're just darn lucky)




But you still haven't shown me anything.





http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/09/us-presbyterian-minister-idUSTRE7981UN20111009
http://www.mlp.org/
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_pru.htm
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/07/18/us-episcopal-gay-unions-idUSTRE56H01I20090718

These are examples of churches changing their stance on LGBT issues.  There is controversy among some members of some congregations of course but they have still taken a written policy position in support of tolerance and openness. 

ETA This is the Presbyterian and Episcopal denominations in the US  -- both are major religious groups.


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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 11:18:41 AM   
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I didnt say the movement didnt back gay marriage. In fact, many religious groups do too.

Gay Marriage And Religion Go Hand-In-Hand Among Many Young Americans: Survey



Your link is not applicable.

Show me any official church policy that backs it.



I did. You choice to ignore it doesnt make it not true.

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One little church in KY does not all churches make. In fact, I'd guess the reason this made news is because they are almost all NOT like that.


We can argue about it but it has been my experience that most are.

Though it is not necessarily church policy it is frowned upon by most church members.

And if we want to take it a little further let's talk about every major church and their aversion to gays.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) is a mainline Protestant denomination headquartered in Chicago, Illinois. The ELCA officially came into existence on January 1, 1988, by the merging of three churches. As of December 31, 2009, it had 4,543,037 baptized members, with 2,527,941 of them counted as active participants in their congregations.[7] It is the seventh-largest religious body[8] and the largest Lutheran denomination in the United States.[

The Episcopal Church (also officially known as the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America) is a mainline Anglican Christian church found mainly in the United States (including its unincorporated territories), but also in Honduras, Taiwan, Colombia, Ecuador, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, the British Virgin Islands and parts of Europe.[2][3][4] The Episcopal Church is the Province of the Anglican Communion in the United States and most other territories where it has a presence (excluding Europe). The Episcopal Church describes itself as being "Protestant, Yet Catholic".[5] As of 2011, the Episcopal Church claims a baptized membership of 1,951,907 individuals.[6]

The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), or PC(USA), is a mainline Protestant Christian denomination in the United States. Part of the Reformed tradition, it is the largest Presbyterian denomination in the U.S. The PC(USA) was established by the 1983 merger of the former Presbyterian Church in the United States, whose churches were located in the Southern and border states, with the United Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, whose congregations could be found in every state.
With 2,077,158 members and 13,462 ordained ministers in 10,657 congregations in 2009[1], the reunited denomination is the most visible and influential Presbyterian denomination in North America.[


There is enough conflict between the two groups without adding misinformation to the mix.



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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 11:38:35 AM   
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9 bigots & 25 cowards. Not a group I'd want to be associated with anyway.




Now, now, leave the Democrats alone.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 11:48:32 AM   
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9 bigots & 25 cowards. Not a group I'd want to be associated with anyway.




Now, now, leave the Democrats alone.

Kentucky Freewill Baptists. Want another try on what their Voter registration says?

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 12:13:53 PM   
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wait, if you trace the lineage of christ, wasn't he hebrew and african if you follow the cultural/racial placement of where his parents come from? If not interracial I doubt at the very least that he was racist. This entire situation is absurd.


Dunno about Hebrew and African, but he was Jewish. 

His messages included some that were about tolerance, which I could interpret to include racial tolerance.

That said, Jesus' actual teachings have been interpreted oddly by quite a few Christians, who seem to have powerful filters for them.


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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 12:58:39 PM   
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That said, Jesus' actual teachings have been interpreted oddly by quite a few Christians, who seem to have powerful filters for them.
And they say its the British who are the masters of understatement. 

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 12:59:53 PM   
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well we are, but in this case!!!! theres a new master to add to the list:)


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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 2:35:06 PM   
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Jesus' actual teachings have been interpreted oddly by quite a few Christians, who seem to have powerful filters for them.


After seeing the Vatican Splendors exhibit, Pope Julius II will remain a classic example of this.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 2:50:47 PM   
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Would you be surprised to learn that some Buddhists dont approve of homosexuality?


Not at all, when I lived in Japan I felt like I'd time traveled back to the 50's in a number of ways and Japan is Asians success story when it comes to modernization. People on these boards talk about this new-agey atheistic Buddhism and certainly it exists, hell atheistic Judaism even exists but I certainly haven't seen a whole lot of either one.


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Some religious organisations and some individuals (who claim to operate from a religious base/motivation) work very hard to get a bad rep on this issue - they have opposed just about every advance for GLBT people, and other sexual minorities, since the year dot.



You're using terms such as many and some to make statements which while technically correct are grossly misleading. If you actually look at numbers of people in the "some religious organizations" vs. the "many religious groups" well....religion in the US has a huge problem with homophobia.

http://religions.pewforum.org/reports









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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 3:51:21 PM   
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You're using terms such as many and some to make statements which while technically correct are grossly misleading ... religion in the US has a huge problem with homophobia.

Among mainline Protestants, there is greater acceptance of homosexuality than in the general population:



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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 4:25:33 PM   
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You're using terms such as many and some to make statements which while technically correct are grossly misleading. If you actually look at numbers of people in the "some religious organizations" vs. the "many religious groups" well....religion in the US has a huge problem with homophobia.


I used the term some... not many.

And why couldnt an atheist be homophobic?

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 5:23:08 PM   
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I used the term some... not many.


Actually, you used both terms. Though on second look your use of some was ditto-ing tweak so I could understand if you contested that but you certainly used many.

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I didnt say the movement didnt back gay marriage. In fact, many religious groups do too.


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Some religious organisations and some individuals (who claim to operate from a religious base/motivation) work very hard to get a bad rep on this issue



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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 5:28:20 PM   
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I used the term some... not many.


Actually, you used both terms.

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I didnt say the movement didnt back gay marriage. In fact, many religious groups do too.


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Some religious organisations and some individuals (who claim to operate from a religious base/motivation) work very hard to get a bad rep on this issue





Then you should have included that in your previous post.

For example, the Protestants.... 51% of Christians.... over 50% of whom believe homosexuality should be accepted. In that group, its some. In other groups, such as Catholics or Southern Baptist, it might be many, not some. Depends on how you define the term.

But, honestly, if thats all you want to do is nit pick that, dont.

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RE: Kentucky Church "Freethinkers" Ban "... - 12/5/2011 5:33:59 PM   
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And why couldnt an atheist be homophobic?


I didn't say that we couldn't be, we're influenced by societal pressure like everyone else, what I said was that largely we aren't. You made a claim and I'm genuinely interested to see if you have any data to back it up because of how LGBT friendly the atheist/skeptic/free thinker community in general is. 

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