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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 9:14:29 AM   
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I'm center green. I basically believe government should do a minimal amount to protect general welfare and prevent entities(corporations/unions/lobbyists/etc) from having too much power and otherwise stay the hell out of everyone's way.


That sounds more top central purple than center green. Your stated beliefs dont fit with liberal spending policys of a -5 fiscal score.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 9:16:19 AM   
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Guess I’m a closet libtard. Seems economically I’m moderately left-wing but socially centrist according to the political compass being -3.38 on the Economic Left/Right scale and -0.77 on the Social Libertarian/Authoritarian scale. I reckon I would be more centrist if the scale was Eurocentric. Good test Willbe with interesting questions but some of the questions seem a little black and white.






I agree, on a Euro scale you would be almost dead center. No test like this can be perfect, but short of in depth interviews or 500 questions designed to measure gradations a bit more accurately it does pretty well.


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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 9:17:44 AM   
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http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.62&soc=-5.33

Was a silly test. This question for example:

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Those with the ability to pay should have the right to higher standards of medical care.


I don't know how they scored this, but I put agree because I believe that in countries with public health care, there should always be the option to purchase private health care as well. But someone who was fully against public health care would also put 'agree' so where would the difference be?


Not silly at all. I guarantee you there are people on this board who would say no, everybody has the right to the same standards of medical care regardless of ability to pay.


So the people who don't have the ability to pay should just crawl away and die somewhere?



I guess you missed the SAME STANDARD in the question.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 9:22:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, here's a question. Are certain people deluding themselves or is the test flawed. Id love to see the answers that could possibly arrive at lower left hand corner. You can't be a free spender and libertarian at the same time. By definition social spending reduces freedom. (Yes, even for those who benefit from the social spending, as evidenced by the lack of progress made by the serial welfare families).

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 9:38:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		There were no free spending questions.  So, that hasn't much to do with what you are on about.

So, saying that by example I strongly disagree with religious teachings in school, and at the same time think that multinational corporations need serious watching and regulation puts the Dahli Lama and Nelson Mandela left and higher than me. I am near dead center.  I took it again and this time where I did like agrees or disagrees I used the strong ones, and I went way left and way down. like a minus 8 and minus 8  
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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 10:05:01 AM   
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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 10:07:34 AM   
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For example the question about one party systems being more efficient. I agree that they tend to get things done more qucikly... but that doesn't mean I agree that that is a good thing. So I think I should probably be a little lower on the authortarian scale.


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13. It's true that a one party state has a significant advantage; even so I wouldn't support it. So how can I respond ?

From classical Greece onwards, discussion and, inevitably, argument, has been viewed by democrats as essential for considering all viewpoints and consequently reaching the best informed and most representative decision. For such people, the replacement of polemics with speedy dictates would definitely not be seen as any sort of "significant advantage" or "progress".

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 1:07:03 PM   
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If you have no clue why the snark about saving the quote of me saying Im more liberal than mainstream conservatives? The fiscal axis is easy to place me, its the social one where people misjudge me totally.


You are pretty clear about your position.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 1:12:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

So, here's a question. Are certain people deluding themselves or is the test flawed. Id love to see the answers that could possibly arrive at lower left hand corner. You can't be a free spender and libertarian at the same time. By definition social spending reduces freedom. (Yes, even for those who benefit from the social spending, as evidenced by the lack of progress made by the serial welfare families).



Union pacific,exxon mobile, adm all seem to be maiking pretty good progress and they have been on the public tit of more than fifty years.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 1:17:56 PM   
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So, here's a question. Are certain people deluding themselves or is the test flawed. Id love to see the answers that could possibly arrive at lower left hand corner. You can't be a free spender and libertarian at the same time. By definition social spending reduces freedom. (Yes, even for those who benefit from the social spending, as evidenced by the lack of progress made by the serial welfare families).


oh, wilbur


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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 1:28:02 PM   
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Sorry...I couldn't get past the first slanted question...If I sell goods internationally and perhaps produce products in multiple nations how am I not serving mankind?

If you are making a profit you are serving yourself.

I am providing goods and employment what the hell else do you want...


You are providing neither. You are employing people to make you money...it's business, making money for yourself does not make you a saint, it makes you a business man.

So the ratings are bull and not worth taking.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 1:29:10 PM   
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I'm center green. I basically believe government should do a minimal amount to protect general welfare

The general welfare would also include roads and infastructure. Is it your position that the govt should have a minimal input here?

and prevent entities(corporations/unions/lobbyists/etc) from having too much power

Do you think they gave the banksters enough money, would you have given them more or less?

and otherwise stay the hell out of everyone's way.

Which agencies would you do away with?


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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 1:30:34 PM   
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my score, Im off the chart


As usual

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 1:43:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc2b
Anyway, I do have issue with some of the questions. For example the question about one party systems being more efficient. I agree that they tend to get things done more qucikly... but that doesn't mean I agree that that is a good thing. So I think I should probably be a little lower on the authortarian scale.

I think a single party system is vulnerable to corruption so limiting efficiency, and without any real checks and balances, civil service bureaucracy would inflate a la Soviet Russia.


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I agree, on a Euro scale you would be almost dead center. No test like this can be perfect, but short of in depth interviews or 500 questions designed to measure gradations a bit more accurately it does pretty well.

If some questions were slightly less absolute it might have led to more people being centrist rather than left but overall it is a good test, and the questions thought provoking.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 2:22:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Neither does it make me uncaring or greedy...I am making money for myself...and for others… how about you? Employers ...or the self-employed are what make a civilization... In fact THE most important part of any civilization is the cooperation between employers and the employed and trading of goods and services. Without it you have no civilization. There is nothing intrinsically evil in it.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 2:52:26 PM   
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THE most important part of any civilization


Got a source for that?

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 2:59:19 PM   
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Neither does it make me uncaring or greedy...I am making money for myself...and for others… how about you? Employers ...or the self-employed are what make a civilization... In fact THE most important part of any civilization is the cooperation between employers and the employed and trading of goods and services. Without it you have no civilization. There is nothing intrinsically evil in it.

Butch


It's kind of interesting that your Mark Twain tag line is in direct opposition to the post you just made.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 3:03:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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I'm center green. I basically believe government should do a minimal amount to protect general welfare

The general welfare would also include roads and infastructure. Is it your position that the govt should have a minimal input here?

and prevent entities(corporations/unions/lobbyists/etc) from having too much power

Do you think they gave the banksters enough money, would you have given them more or less?

and otherwise stay the hell out of everyone's way.

Which agencies would you do away with?




Yea, I was using general welfare very loosely to include thing like roads. The key to my statement is where you conclude the minimal is for society. I think banksters were given too much power to begin with. If someone had stepped in and stopped their ridiculous practices, we wouldn't have had to make a knee jerk reaction. I don't think the collapse was handled well, but that's neither here nor there, and I don't have an obvious way it should have been handled. I didn't say agencies should be done away with. It could be that the ones we have are just enough to curb people from acquiring too much power; could be we need less or more that's something we need rational leaders (any governing body) to determine. I wasn't trying to form an argument for particular changes or anything though. I was just saying what I think governments should be aiming for. Not trying to purpose that if I was put in charge I'd make everything perfect with my ideas. I didn't want to post something that would start arguments : p

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 3:16:22 PM   
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Neither does it make me uncaring or greedy...

I did not suggest that you were but it seems that you are projecting your fears.

I am making money for myself...and for others


Not so. You are making money for yourself the people whom you employ are making money for themselves unless of course you have instututed profit sharing for your employees.

… how about you?


What about me?

Employers ...or the self-employed are what make a civilization...


Perhaps in your world but where those of us who breath air live, civilization is is not a function of employer or self employed.

In fact THE most important part of any civilization is the cooperation between employers and the employed and trading of goods and services. Without it you have no civilization. There is nothing intrinsically evil in it.

Where have I suggested that being in business was intrinsically evil?
How about you disagree with what I say and not what you want to hear me say.

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RE: Where do you stand on the political compass - 12/6/2011 3:19:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Soyokaze


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ORIGINAL: Soyokaze

I'm center green. I basically believe government should do a minimal amount to protect general welfare

The general welfare would also include roads and infastructure. Is it your position that the govt should have a minimal input here?

and prevent entities(corporations/unions/lobbyists/etc) from having too much power

Do you think they gave the banksters enough money, would you have given them more or less?

and otherwise stay the hell out of everyone's way.

Which agencies would you do away with?




Yea, I was using general welfare very loosely to include thing like roads. The key to my statement is where you conclude the minimal is for society. I think banksters were given too much power to begin with. If someone had stepped in and stopped their ridiculous practices,


That would have taken more than "minimal" government intrusion.

we wouldn't have had to make a knee jerk reaction. I don't think the collapse was handled well, but that's neither here nor there, and I don't have an obvious way it should have been handled. I didn't say agencies should be done away with. It could be that the ones we have are just enough to curb people from acquiring too much power; could be we need less or more that's something we need rational leaders (any governing body) to determine. I wasn't trying to form an argument for particular changes or anything though. I was just saying what I think governments should be aiming for. Not trying to purpose that if I was put in charge I'd make everything perfect with my ideas. I didn't want to post something that would start arguments : p

I was looking for discussion and not arguement also. Thus my questons.


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