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RE: Just a Rant - 12/6/2011 10:33:47 PM   
MissImmortalPain


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Status: offline 		Believe it or not rant is my favorite word and one of my favorite passtimes. And at least it did work out well for you. You have gotten a lot of different opinions and some thoughts are going back and forth..you win*high five* What I don't get, and most likely never will, is why anyone would drop things like this on people they know and maybe even like. I rant in my journal. I rant at my dog. I will rant at the individual that pissed me off to begin with. I just don't see the point in doing it in a forum. Again not saying what you did was wrong, just admitting I don't get it. That might be because I am not a very tolerant person either.

I have to agree with your comment about being 'nice'. All most people are asking you to do is lie. That is why I am very rarely "nice" to people...it's also why I don't "date" As that is the period at the beginning of things where people are overly happy to lie to each other.

Thats why(maybe) I really don't get it. Why let her get you that upset? Why not speak your mind when you were being attacked? Why not have a laugh, if she wants to get upset give her a real reason to get upset?

*just to make sure things are clear*...You know the fluffy bunny part was a joke, right?

p.s.-You are most likely more tolerant than you think you are. When most people say merry,happy,blessed anything to me I (commonly) just walk away.

Of course that is just my opinion.

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RE: Just a Rant - 12/6/2011 10:59:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The thing that bites me is that they teach religious tolerance in schools but take out Christmas in schools and rename concerts to holiday concerts and will not allow everything that used to be allowed in Christmas concerts to be sang Jesus cannot be mentioned or Christ because it may offend someone and then on the other hand bring in other religions and have those parents come in to teach students about their religions with no screening of what the parents will teach the students. Students will full heartily learn other religions and taught tolerance and who or what they believe in. There was a news paper article i read not long ago that said Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world. I see no harm in saying Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, or what ever greeting another religion may be as long as they respect equally.

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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 6:43:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why would being nice be lying?? Sorry I don't get that. Last I checked when I wish someone happy, merry anything whether stranger or whatnot, it is an sincere wish. I guess I am not so pessimistic of The world and it's people that I can't wish someone a happy celebration.

I would hate to think that everything everyone said to me who are being "nice" were lying. To me that's just way to paranoid. I am one of the least PC needing person I know but in the end I do hoPe people are happy in there lives, I do hope they have good days and merry and happy celebrations of their holidays. I don't need to be absolutely to be in their lives to hope a stranger is happy.

Its a simple thing in the grand scheme of things.

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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 7:17:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I feel it totally OK to say Happy whatever the holiday may be or to whom no matter what. It would be a totally sad world if others could not accept differences on every occasion. i believe i heard once that even one group of people did not celebrate birthdays as they viewed birth quite like death. i forget where i heard this but, point is if everyone is going to be edgy about answer back even a simple thing like happy birthday, happy new year, Eid Mubarak, Ramadan Mubarak, etc.. etc... as the people in that religion or custom do of course some people are going to be offended, Sometimes you just need to sit back and see things from another persons point of view. No harm comes from two or three simple words. After all we are all human and should be willing to wish someone a good day.

Have a Great Day everyone (is this offensive and/or needs a change of words?) hmmm maybe someone only likes the night and hates day light???

Have a Great Day

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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 8:00:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have to respect your beliefs. All I have to do is tolerate them. In my case, toleration consists of tuning out when people start talking about their religion, or, better yet, getting as far away from them as possible.

All I ask is the same.

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No, I didn't misunderstand at all.  Whether you are looking to convert people to your beliefs or not, whether you regularly announce your beliefs or not, you are pointedly disrespectful of others beliefs by calling them myths.  You know you are doing it, so please stop pretending that you aren't.  It's comments like that which make people not like atheists.  The constant need to make snide remarks, no matter how subtle.

The difference on Facebook, as I said is subtle.  When you post something as your "status," you are posting to your own wall, and it is visible and will show up on your friends' walls (if they have chosen to see "updates" from you).  It is NOT posting to your wall, or meant specifically for you.  It is posted to the individual person's wall.

Here is where the difference is....someone can specifically post something on YOUR wall.  It will appear differently and while others can see it, they also see that the person was posting directly to you.


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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 8:37:41 AM   
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You might be afraid of Christians, with some justification. Christianity itself, though, as a belief system, is not particularly subversive or frightening.
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It isn't like Christianity is something to be frightened of.



History would tell us different.  Faith, belief in  higher power and all that jazz is one thing.  But saying "Christianity" invokes organized religion.  And if there's one thing I've learned from history, when you have a large group of people who believe something that they have no possible way to prove; the innate insecurity of their untenable position forces them to lash out. 

Might makes right. We beat you which means God is on our side; thus you are heathens and must be saved from yourselves. CONVERT, ASSIMILATE OR DIE.

The very cultural and technological development of our species is based on the entire idea that Christianity, or any other largely held ideological belief is something to be afraid of. 

Why are the terrorists not slowing down, even after we cut the head off of the snake?  We're fighting a "War on Terror", they're fighting a "Holy War". While we fight an idea, they fight for the entire basis of their culture (or so they believe, having only selectively read and interpreted the Quran... sounds familiar, doesn't it?) So long as they have the will to continue, no matter how beaten; their faith will not allow them to quietly retreat or stay down.

So yes, I am afraid of Christianity.  It will only take one spark for the masses to decide that to protect their way of life, they must put the heathens down.  And that means atheists, pagans, Jews, gays, kinksters and anybody else who's not like them.

We're living in economically and socially insecure times, it even seems like mother nature is out to get us; all it will take is a charismatic leader with a big enough following that's able to convince them that all that's is bad in their lives is a punishment from god for letting the "others" get away with living their lives.  On that day, you can say goodbye Constitution and goodbye civil rights.

So you go ahead and not be afraid of them, there's too many of them for me not to have a healthy fear.



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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 9:00:11 AM   
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Why would being nice be lying?? Sorry I don't get that.


Though it's not Mirriam-Webster's definition, it's mine and I thought I made clear what my definition is.  I admit it's nit-picky, but I take my definition of "nice" from the commonly used phrase "just being nice".  I refuse to be "nice" in that context.

If I compliment someone, it's not flattery, it is an observation of my sujective opinion.  If I say you're beautiful, it's not because I'm trying to make you feel good, it's because I believe it and am likely picturing you naked.

In my world, the word nice is like an older southern belle (Savannah, Georgia anyone?) calls you "precious".  She's not saying that you should be cherished and held close to one's heart, she's saying that she's surprized that you didn't commit major self-surgery while zipping your fly.  I love those southern ladies, they can tear you apart and you'll walk away feeling really good about yourself, if you don't know their double-speak.

What most people call being nice, I call being kind.  Like I said, I know it's nit-picky; but kindness, or acting in a friendly and gracious manner in honest concern for the thoughts and feelings of others is, again in my world, a valuable commodity; while niceness, is how people act when they want you to think they are on your side.



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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 9:19:39 AM   
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Why would being nice be lying?? Sorry I don't get that.


Though it's not Mirriam-Webster's definition, it's mine and I thought I made clear what my definition is.  I admit it's nit-picky, but I take my definition of "nice" from the commonly used phrase "just being nice".  I refuse to be "nice" in that context.

If I compliment someone, it's not flattery, it is an observation of my sujective opinion.  If I say you're beautiful, it's not because I'm trying to make you feel good, it's because I believe it and am likely picturing you naked.

In my world, the word nice is like an older southern belle (Savannah, Georgia anyone?) calls you "precious".  She's not saying that you should be cherished and held close to one's heart, she's saying that she's surprized that you didn't commit major self-surgery while zipping your fly.  I love those southern ladies, they can tear you apart and you'll walk away feeling really good about yourself, if you don't know their double-speak.

What most people call being nice, I call being kind.  Like I said, I know it's nit-picky; but kindness, or acting in a friendly and gracious manner in honest concern for the thoughts and feelings of others is, again in my world, a valuable commodity; while niceness, is how people act when they want you to think they are on your side.





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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 9:21:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, I would have zoned out during the rant, and then said, "So... you don't want me to wish you happy holidays?  Fine.  Merry Christmas, and CRAPPY New Year."


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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 12:15:43 PM   
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There was a news paper article i read not long ago that said Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.


What newspaper was that?

NVM, found lots of references, must be my US-centric viewpoint leading me to find that counter-intuitive. However, the situation in Asia and the ME has nothing to do with Happy Holidays vs Merry Christmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#Current_situation_.281989_to_present.29

According to Pope Benedict XVI, Christians are the most persecuted group in the contemporary world.[102] According to the World Evangelical Alliance, over 200 million Christians in at least 60 countries are denied fundamental human rights solely because of their faith.[103] Persecutions occur in North Korea, many Muslim countries, India, China, Vietnam, and the Philippines.

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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 12:22:48 PM   
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There was a news paper article i read not long ago that said Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.


What newspaper was that?


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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 12:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was a speech at the UN this fall:

http://www.speroforum.com/a/61182/Christians-currently-most-persecuted-religious-group-in-world-Holy-See-tells-UN

Warning that Christians currently suffer more persecution because of their faith than any other religious group, the Holy See today told the United Nations the denial of religious freedom threatened peace and security and precluded integral human development.

"Respect for religious freedom is the fundamental path for the construction of peace, the recognition of human dignity and the safeguarding of human rights," Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, Secretary for Relations with States for the Holy See, which has observer status at the UN, told the General Assembly on the final day of the annual general debate...

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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 3:58:12 PM   
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In my world, the word nice is like an older southern belle (Savannah, Georgia anyone?) calls you "precious". She's not saying that you should be cherished and held close to one's heart, she's saying that she's surprized that you didn't commit major self-surgery while zipping your fly. I love those southern ladies, they can tear you apart and you'll walk away feeling really good about yourself, if you don't know their double-speak.

You clean up nice, dC. >cackle<

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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 4:24:20 PM   
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HEY! now WAIT a minute!!


Greedy, my heart, there are many wonderful and intriguing words that can be used to describe you.  Southern may be one of those words, but belle surely is not.  By the way, nice ass.  By nice I mean it's lying to me and saying that if I were there right now, I could... errr, that's not saitable for polite conversation.

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You clean up nice, dC. >cackle<


So you're saying that I'm normally not the kind of guy you'd let take out your trash, let alone your daughter; but after a major quarantine, lots of disinfectant, some spackle and shellac I might possibly be almost presentable enough to be seen with at the soup kitchen if nobody who knows you is there?

By the way; I'm from Georgia myself, Warm Springs to be specific. I know the language.


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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 7:00:33 PM   
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You clean up nice, dC. >cackle<


So you're saying that I'm normally not the kind of guy you'd let take out your trash, let alone your daughter; but after a major quarantine, lots of disinfectant, some spackle and shellac I might possibly be almost presentable enough to be seen with at the soup kitchen if nobody who knows you is there?

By the way; I'm from Georgia myself, Warm Springs to be specific. I know the language.

Hehe shellac is good. Polyurethane is environmentally unfriendly.

My ex's stepmother over in B'ham said that to me once. Me, I'm originally from Kodaktown, so I graciously took it as some kind of compliment, although I had my suspicions, me being a Kraut two generations away from Berlin, where it is automatically assumed that whenever anyone says something like that, they are being Berliners, which is to say that such utterances are always supremely ironic. (I haven't written a run-on sentence like that for some time. I'm so proud of myself... )

My ex later confirmed my suspicions. She used to say "Bless your heart" to me every now and then, too.


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RE: Just a Rant - 12/7/2011 11:59:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been meaning to post to this since I saw it.  I am no where near as restrained as you darch.  As most on the site know I have been a US Soldiers for over 16 years and I love it because I love our freedoms.  Granted some have become severely limited these past few years (I am a smoker... nough said?)  I have literally stopped people who do the same as this woman and tell them, don't worry.... I will always protect your right to be an <insert your own adverb here>, but I also reserve the right to tell you to fuck off and be an all out asshole when people tell me my rights are somehow less then theirs.  I have had mixed things happen, but most just say thank you for protecting our rights and for shutting him/her up.  I do get sick of people trying to shove their moral beliefs, religious beliefs ETC; down My throat, and I have way to much NYer in me to not say anything about it.  Just a personal opinion.




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RE: Just a Rant - 12/8/2011 1:05:41 AM   
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I don't have to respect your beliefs. All I have to do is tolerate them. In my case, toleration consists of tuning out when people start talking about their religion, or, better yet, getting as far away from them as possible.

All I ask is the same.



Which I have consistently done.  I have not once made a disparaging remark about your beliefs, nor have I tried to "convert" you (I don't do that to anyone).  I DID explain to you the differences in someone posting on your wall vs. someone's post appearing on your wall, and said from the start, the difference is subtle.

I did not defend the people who made the ridiculous posts, which I agree are overtly angry and unjustified.

In the context of this thread, as well as you facebook thread, I stated my beliefs.  I stated them as facts about me, not facts that exist for everyone else.  I never told you that you were doomed to hell, should re-think your position or that God believes in you even if you believe in him, all "ear marks" of what people believe to be completely universal to fundamental Christians.

On the other hand, you have made it a point to repeatedly disparage my beliefs.  Another poster also specifically AND politely requested that you respect her beliefs by not using the term "myths" to describe them.  Your response was to use the term again.

I'm still being polite in not calling you an arrogant asshole who thinks she can be subtly insulting just by not calling people who believe in God stupid, regardless of the fact that using the term "myth" would be to equate us with believing in Santa Claus.

So if you would like me to continue to be respectful of your choice to not believe, then I would suggest that you START respecting my (and others) choice to believe and forego the insults.

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RE: Just a Rant - 12/8/2011 5:25:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		After reading the definition of myth, I believe I will stand by my use of the word.  If you feel that disparages your beliefs, well, I don't know what to tell you.  Feel free to disparage mine, I guess.  Except in the most general sense, I don't even know what your beliefs are.  However, your beliefs include thinking that there is such a thing as a virgin birth, or that someone rose from the dead, I just can't dignify them with any other term.

I actually have a copy of "Origin of the Species", with a "special introduction", by Ray Comfort, a fundamentalist Christian minister.  They passed these books out for free on college campuses on Darwin's BD a few years ago, and my son snagged one for me.  Anyway, this christian minister, in his introduction, refers to evolution as (you guessed it) a "myth".  I find it more hilarious than offensive.

Anyway, Myth means:

myth   /mɪθ/ Show Spelled[mith] Show IPA noun 1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature. 2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth. 3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth. 4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person. 5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.


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RE: Just a Rant - 12/9/2011 1:59:29 PM   
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However, your beliefs include thinking that there is such a thing as a virgin birth.


In hebrew, the word is "almah"; which is translated as maiden, young woman or virgin.  I'm guessing that the true intended meaning was young woman or maiden, else much more would have been mentioned of the astounding "virgin" burth of Jesus later in the gospels; instead of bare mentions in only two of the for canonical gospels. 

Now, if he was born of a young woman; why would anyone ever mention it further?  Other than to say Jesus had a mom; but at least it makes more sense.  It even still allows him to have still fulfilled the prophesies, which again called for an "almah". 

Now, don't get Jesus confused with the Immaculate Conception.  That was specifically Mary, and not Jesus.  Also, it stated that she was born free and immune from original sin; not that she didn't have a human father.

So basically; one of the basic tenets of Christianity is most likely based on an intentional misinterpretation of the original text in order to sensationalize Jesus and make him out to be more than a man.

Wasn't the point of him supposed to be that he was also a regular guy?  That he did all he did while suffering the same doubts and frailties that everyone else did?  How does making him a literal demigod make that even possible?


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RE: Just a Rant - 12/9/2011 2:02:20 PM   
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eta: I'm mega plus sleepy and about to head off to sleep.. so I am sorry if my comments are non-sequitors which in re-reading them it seems they might be. I will try to return later to clarify, if so..


bon soir, mes amis!!

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