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LillyBoPeep -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 8:43:36 AM)

True masters are more sensitive, too, so it only takes one or two strokes.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 9:07:36 AM)

Sigh.

I knew exactly how this thread was going to go simply by reading the title.  And it went just as I anticipated. 

OP - Despite the obvious faux pas of using the term "true", and further exacerbating the problem by including a few more sweeping generalizations, I do understand what you were attempting to say.  And I agree with parts of it (but not the sweeping generalizations).

I also agree that there was a time when MySpace was a pretty cool place.  Obviously that time came and went.  But MySpace was groundbreaking once upon a time.

I also agree that things are a lot different now than they used to be.  People have a lot more ways to learn about BDSM.  Heck, I remember a time when just about everybody was in the closet, and DDI magazine was actually one of the better sources of info.  So messages like yours would have seemed more profound back then (although if MySpace was available, then you're talking about a much more recent past than I am).

Anyway, welcome to CollarMe.  I guess your initial introduction has been a baptism in fire.  [;)]




stacey4u2luv -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 9:19:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JanahX

I think you need to do a re-write then. Try it, see if we like it.



hmmmm shove a sock in it already, how's that for submissive lol OK then shove the sock up my ass dry. Is that better?




xxblushesxx -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 9:21:41 AM)

Yeah...I'm not feeling the luv...[:-][8|]




JanahX -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 9:25:42 AM)

What the hell are you talking about? How is that relevant to what I was asking the OP?

You obviously didnt excel in reading comprehension when you were in school... did you?




crazyml -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 9:43:37 AM)

Hi Mazterlock,

This will be a long'un, as I'm going to take your OP in steps.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mazterlock
<snip>
"Maybe I am just noticing more but it seems like many more women on Myspace are trying to sort out real Masters from posers. That is a very good thing. Here is my opinion of what it means to be a true Master.


This has been true since the very dawn of the internet. IRC used to be chokka block with all sorts of predators and poseurs.

I used to love the irony that was #bisexfem - A channel full of dudes, pretending to be women, having hella-awesome cyber lesbian sex with .... other dudes also pretending to be women.

Oh, the interweb was simpler back then.

quote:


A real Master is much more sensitive and caring than a macho type of man.


While personally, I'd identify much more with "sensitive and caring", I don't think this is true at all. There are plenty of smart sub women that look for a macho type of man. A macho type of man is no less of a dom - he's just different.

quote:



This can seem ironic at first but there is a big difference between aggressive dominant behavior and the behavior of a true Master who often waits quite a long time before asserting his dominance.


Meh... again, lots of subs love aggressive dominant behaviour... and it's lovely that they get a chance to meet men who do the aggressive dominant thing, isn't it?

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Submissives, by nature, do not assert what they want.


What the fuck? Sweet mother of god, I'd hate a sub who didn't assert what she wanted. Not saying for a second that she'll get it mind you...

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A true submissive is a very strong person with the confidence to surrender control to a Master.



I want to agree with you, this is certainly a good description of my ideal sub, but to generalise it.... nah.

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A submissive is NEVER a victim. But, she knows that the very act of telling a man that she wants to be tied up, for example, can run the risk of "topping from the bottom" which ruins the moment and eventually the relationship.


Surely this is only true in the event that the dom is inept?

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<snip>

While on the surface, especially to a novice, it appears that the Master is simply dictating what the slave must do, the reality is that a true Master is intensely tuned in to the unspoken aspects of a relationship and is constantly adjusting his approach. A true Master always has the goal of getting as deep inside the head of his slave as he possible can. Wearing leather and carrying a whip and hand cuffs at the ready has nothing to do with it.


Aww c'mon! It's just not right or sensible to make these generalisations.

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Some submissives have rape type fantasies. That is the hardest "scene" for a true Master to play out. True Master's hate the idea of forcing themselves upon a woman. They crave the opposite. For myself, I do not want to complete the final act of intercourse until a woman is literally begging for it - she should be so on the edge of ecstasy and pain and emotions - that she simply must have me. That is what most true Master's seek.


Dude, if you think that rape play is the hardest scene for a master to play out then you need to get a little bit more experience!

So.... you've expressed some views that really relate to your own personal take on what dominance and mastery mean to you - and that's awesome.

And by the looks of things, I'm not too far off you in terms of my personal preferences - But really.... to set this up as some definition of what is "right" is to completely miss the point that there are plenty of women out there (smart, independent, sassy women) who would find your style of dominance (and mine) to be way way too softcore for them.




stacey4u2luv -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 9:43:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX

What the hell are you talking about? How is that relevant to what I was asking the OP?

You obviously didnt excel in reading comprehension when you were in school... did you?



You obviously have your hand shoved too far up your sock, or is that your head? We all know your intent no need explaining unless you lack insight.




JanahX -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 9:46:22 AM)

OH OK STACE ... if you SAY SO.
lol!


quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX

What the hell are you talking about? How is that relevant to what I was asking the OP?

You obviously didnt excel in reading comprehension when you were in school... did you?




quote:

You obviously have your hand shoved too far up your sock, or is that your head? We all know your intent no need explaining unless you lack insight.


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Rochsub2009 -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 10:43:36 AM)

Will you two lovers please get a room?  The rest of us don't need to see your intercourse.  [:D]




LillyBoPeep -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 10:44:18 AM)

But... love between two women is the most perfect kind of love... [:(]




myotherself -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 11:05:19 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

But... love between two women is the most perfect kind of love... [:(]


but sex between two men is waaaaay more fun to watch [:D]




OrionTheWolf -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 11:09:36 AM)

This comes across more as justification and rationalization for how you are as a "Master". Was there some substance to discuss in this advertisement of yours?

So many have already pointed out the obvious, but it is likely you may be too sensitive to understand it.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 11:16:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

This comes across more as justification and rationalization for how you are as a "Master".


That's a good distinction to make.
OP, if you want to use this to explain YOUR brand of Mastery, by all means, do it. Put it in your journals so other people can see what you're all about. There's someone out there for everyone, and some girl will read that, swoon all over herself, and be compelled to write you.
You are completely allowed to conduct your relationships in whatever way you want that fulfills you and your partner(s).

Just don't try to apply it as the gold standard for everyone.




Uncleduke316 -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 11:49:41 AM)



" finds subtle ways to communnicate" is there anything wrong with SAYING WHAT YOU MEAN in plain simple ENGLISH? If I wanted frustrating ambiguity I'd be in a normal relationship. In or out of bondage I won't waste my time with someone who can't speak plainly. Just tell me what's on your mind! WHAT is wrong with that? In ANY relationship I like knowing what's going on WITHOUT having to waste time with drama. Games SUCK. NOBODY is a mind reader!!! That's why we have brains and mouths to SPEAK our desires.
I wonder if the MALE slaves are having any luck rooting out the female posers.

" ENGLISH mothafucka! DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel L. Jackson, Rummy, The Boondocks

"I say, you do. NO question!" - Pat Morita- Myagi- The Karate Kid




JanahX -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 12:11:09 PM)

I dont know what the fuck she was going on about ... I wasnt even addressing her.

She decided all on her own to start popping off. Probably stems from her popping pills.




Ninebelowzero -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 12:12:26 PM)

Yes thanks mate.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Uncleduke316



" finds subtle ways to communnicate" is there anything wrong with SAYING WHAT YOU MEAN in plain simple ENGLISH? If I wanted frustrating ambiguity I'd be in a normal relationship. In or out of bondage I won't waste my time with someone who can't speak plainly. Just tell me what's on your mind! WHAT is wrong with that? In ANY relationship I like knowing what's going on WITHOUT having to waste time with drama. Games SUCK. NOBODY is a mind reader!!! That's why we have brains and mouths to SPEAK our desires.
I wonder if the MALE slaves are having any luck rooting out the female posers.

" ENGLISH mothafucka! DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel L. Jackson, Rummy, The Boondocks

"I say, you do. NO question!" - Pat Morita- Myagi- The Karate Kid





switchblademoi -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 12:17:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mazterlock


The context was a time where Myspace was tipping from a relatively naive and safe environment for people like us who had discovered each other through the "groups" area into a dangerous place where all kinds of predatory men were creating fake female profiles and "Master" profiles because they were looking to exploit vulnerable women.

We did not have the time, the maturity or the sophistication regarding social media that members of collarme have today.



I don't think it's any different today. People come online to BDSM web sites for all sorts of reasons -- some are just exploring; some just want to create some material to wank off by; some just want to have a bit of kinky fun; some are looking for a relationship; some are looking for clients. People may or may not present themselves truthfully. Some not understand what they want.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mazterlock

Now, I am the newbie to a very different kind of social networking for the BDSM community. That attacking, the mean spirited tone of voice and the general anger from a small percentage of very active community members is something that I did not account for and I will be smarter about that in the future.



I don't know any of that has much to do specifically with "the BDSM community" as it does the Internet. If you go to any forum on any topic and post a manifesto explaining the world to everyone else, the people who disagree with you are going to rip you apart. A BDSM forum is no different in that regards than a sports forum or a political forum.  That's the way the Internet works. If you choose to stand up on a soapbox and preach to the crowd, you are going to get the crowd's unfiltered reaction, not PC politeness.




thishereboi -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 12:25:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stacey4u2luv


quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX

I think you need to do a re-write then. Try it, see if we like it.



hmmmm shove a sock in it already, how's that for submissive lol OK then shove the sock up my ass dry. Is that better?


Submissive, not unless you are going for the bratty submissive and I could never understand why anyone would like that. Also not sure why you felt the need to come running in to defend the guy this late in the game. Many people have already said the op was badly worded. Makes me wonder if there isn't another reason[8|]





stacey4u2luv -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 12:39:54 PM)

It is OK your brain will awaken eventually once your drink wears off. I still love yah even though you missed the ass and rammed the sock instead. Your fisting abilities should return once you sober up.


xoxoxoxoxo




stacey4u2luv -> RE: "What a True Master Does" (12/7/2011 12:45:20 PM)

Thank you for buying the vowel for her. Some people around here obviously need more clues as when to put a gag in their mouths and to finish instead of trying to bring on more. Maybe she is on the rag and is why she is constantly seeking.




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