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ORIGINAL: domincalifornia

Duke, you're missing the point. Here it is:

1. Yes, there are scammers on CM.
2. The scammers are almost all directed at men, because men receive fewer responses and are more likely to fall for the scam. Women receive a lot more responses, so they aren't usually desperate enough to be scammed, so the scammers don't bother with them.
3. CM warns people to beware of scammers, but CM doesn't police the scammers.
4. If you fall for a scam in spite of the warnings, that's your problem.
5. And, yes, I know you won't understand what I'm saying.

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ORIGINAL: Uncleduke316

Selling equipment,masks, etc is different from asking for tribute, that rule is supposed to protect members from being taken advantage of and it seems to be a privilage reserved ONLY for dommes, but, as has been said, if a sub/slave makes a decision to do that, then that should be left to be THEIR problem. If the board is going to allow dommes to do what they want in violation of it's own rules who am I am to bitch? This board is the same as everywhere else: women are allowed to get away with what they want. oyyyyyyyy VEY.

Say what you want about muslims they don't suffer this double standard bullshit :)

oy vey....

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

1. There are no board rules against requesting tribute.  None. Never were.  Aren't any now.

Maybe it depends on interpretation, but here is a section from the CollarMe TOS:

7.3.12. You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com, nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;

It seems to me that asking for, requesting, or demanding a "tribute" would (should?) be considered to be promoting a money-making enterprise, and therefore IS a rule against requesting tribute.

Of course there is also the clause that says "unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com".  I didn't see anything in the TOS that expressly allowed the fin-dommes to ask for tribute, but it could, I suppose, be argued that since nothing is being done by collarchat to eliminate the fin-dommes that it is something they are permitting even though it seems to be something they don't allow a few lines later.

Gifts are now considered a money making enterprise? Do tributes have to be money?
In the OP he specifically talks about "financial tribute".  "Financial", at least to me, equates to money.  Also, as you can see in my last paragraph I was speaking of fin-dommes.  Financial-dommes.  So if a "fin-domme" talks about a tribute it most likely translates to "money".  If they want it to translate to something else then they should be specific.
Also, to point your attention lower...

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7.3.13. You agree that You will not use Our services in order to view, transmit, traffic in, or in any other way interact with, provide to any other person, or receive obscene materials in any way;

What is considered "obscene"?

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7.3.15. You will not impersonate any person or entity, and will accurately represent Your gender in Your profile communications;

Seen the gender broken a lot.

And can we say "sock puppet" anyone?
I agree, there are many areas that are unclear, and/or not seemingly enforced, though I was responding to only the one in question.
As to your specific complaint... thats what "report user" button is for. At which point, its now in the hands of the moderators of that side of the site. Their decison is final.
My "specific complaint"?  I wasn't complaining about anything.  DS made a comment about there being no rules against asking for tribute.  I was simply pointing out that even though it is murky (Ds's term) and open to interpretation, that there actually does seem to be a rule that applies.

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ORIGINAL: Uncleduke316
women are allowed to get away with what they want. oyyyyyyyy VEY.

Say what you want about muslims they don't suffer this double standard bullshit :)

oy vey....

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: igor2003
Maybe it depends on interpretation, but here is a section from the CollarMe TOS:

7.3.12. You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com, nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;

It seems to me that asking for, requesting, or demanding a "tribute" would (should?) be considered to be promoting a money-making enterprise, and therefore IS a rule against requesting tribute.

Of course there is also the clause that says "unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com".  I didn't see anything in the TOS that expressly allowed the fin-dommes to ask for tribute, but it could, I suppose, be argued that since nothing is being done by collarchat to eliminate the fin-dommes that it is something they are permitting even though it seems to be something they don't allow a few lines later.

Which, they obviously do. Yes, they do, which makes one wonder why they specify such things as escort services, web-cams, and any other form of related enterprise?  (prostitution is understandable as to "why".)  The Professional Services section allows for this.  Come to think of it, the Artisans section does, too.  Sought for Sale has a number of folks who will make money by selling various things to folks.  A number of listings in Upcoming Events charge at the door, so they are obviously money making enterprises.  I agree and admit that "money making enterprises" may not have been the best choice of words, but in my opinion the main idea was quite clear and anyone wanting to argue the use of the term is simply wanting to argue for the sake of arguement.

The other part of this is, who is to determine the difference between a business and a dynamic?  Financial domination is obviously a kink that some people participate in.  Who is to say that this particular kink excludes people from using the definition of a dynamic?  Yes, SOME people might actually be into actual financial domination.  I bet if you look hard enough you can find someone that goes into a sexual frenzy every time they are allowed to pay their power bill or their rent.  But the number of fin-dommes that have profiles at CM is in no way in balance with the number of people that are actually into financial domination.  To think otherwise is simply being disingenuous.  And it was that imbalance as well as the issue as to whether it is or isn't against TOS that was addressed in the OP.  As to whether it is or isn't a legitimate kink is a topic for a different thread.

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ORIGINAL: Uncleduke316
Selling equipment,masks, etc is different from asking for tribute, that rule is supposed to protect members from being taken advantage of and it seems to be a privilage reserved ONLY for dommes, but, as has been said, if a sub/slave makes a decision to do that, then that should be left to be THEIR problem. If the board is going to allow dommes to do what they want in violation of it's own rules who am I am to bitch? This board is the same as everywhere else: women are allowed to get away with what they want. oyyyyyyyy VEY.

Say what you want about muslims they don't suffer this double standard bullshit :)

oy vey....

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Speaking of the site, I do have to ask a question.  Exactly when was it that the site told the OP that he couldn't mention tribute in his profile?  By that question, I do mean the site, itself.  Not comments made by other members here about the OP's profile during the Intro thread.  I'm talking about the little gold letter that would have been sent from the site to say that he had to remove mention of tribute from the profile to remain within the guidelines of TOS.  If that gold letter was never received, the complaint about different genders being handled in two different ways by the site, is rather moot. 

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Some woman in your past must have done you some serious wrong.

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ORIGINAL: lizi

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ORIGINAL: domincalifornia

Duke, you're missing the point. Here it is:

1. Yes, there are scammers on CM.
2. The scammers are almost all directed at men, because men receive fewer responses and are more likely to fall for the scam. Women receive a lot more responses, so they aren't usually desperate enough to be scammed, so the scammers don't bother with them.
3. CM warns people to beware of scammers, but CM doesn't police the scammers.
4. If you fall for a scam in spite of the warnings, that's your problem.
5. And, yes, I know you won't understand what I'm saying.

Lovely and accurate summation of things, I've quite enjoyed the posts of yours that I've seen, as you seem to consistently make a lot of sense. Unfortunately, as you've already guessed, it will be wasted on the OP here. He is utterly invested in finding fault with women and will never deviate from his course which is set on that goal. There are many other people who read these boards though, and posts that are informational and sensible are always wonderful to have for the rest of us.

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ORIGINAL: Uncleduke316


Sigh.

The first ten dominatrixes, in direct violation of board rules are demanding FINANCIAL TRIBUTE as though this is something their entitled to like a divine birthright. They are DIRECTLY asking for it. How is this allowed????? I've been given the impression that a dom who did this was WEAK. Here I was thinking everyone had to follow board rules but apparently this only applies to SOME.

:) :) :) :) :) :)

But whatever....

Duke

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Basically, he wants a tribute slave.  He wants a woman to tend to all his needs including financial.  He's received flak for that and feels put upon.  He's having a really hard time accepting that women can get tribute and men aren't in a position to get it.

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ORIGINAL: Uncleduke316





I DO see the difference . when it comes to services like selling equipment it's OK but paying for session is a thin line isn't it? don't say what I want I'm just pointing out the discrepency. I DO see the male doms following board rules, and while I AM probably wrong I just haven't seen one offering payment for sessions. they seem to be looking for sex and relationships and I can also say that someone challening me on what I want could be looking for the same thing and MAYBE be feeling as I do. BUT in the interests of board peace I won't bitch about this uneveness. Women saying one thing and doing another is an unfortunate reality of life.
I just don't have to enjoy it.

I DO very much want to find someone so in the interest of getting along PEACE! Promise.

Duke