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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

lets say that you stuck yourself in the tonsils with a fork while eating mashed potatoes and bled to death.  now what does that or your hypothetical have to do with this pipeline (1)? and separately, its inclusion into a payroll tax cut extension (2).?

No discussion has been undertaken about eliminating or reducing the oil sands we already get here from canada.  Eliding the point is not the point.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Obama care can be repealed, if it turns out not to be workable. This pipeline, once built, will be a security and environmental disaster forever.
Zero cost? Are you out of your mind, Wilbur?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Well, no it doesn't ... there is no shortage of oil here, no lines, no OMFG we'll all be killed.... as I have stated many times, we got the Bakken find,  and only about 1/4 of the land under oil lease here is or has been drilled, and when push comes to shove you will sell as much as you can to China when they pony up the bucks, something they have more of than we, so that dog ain't hunting.

Show me credible citations on the jobs (number, length, stability and so on) this would bring against the offset of the environment, loading money into canada we should be loading here, and so on.

No compelling arguments for that line here yet. 

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
as I have stated many times, we got the Bakken find,  and only about 1/4 of the land under oil lease here is or has been drilled, 

I said before, there different opinions on how much oil there actually is in the Bakken field, it depends on who you listen to and their stats (& who is manipulating them).

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
as I have stated many times, we got the Bakken find,  and only about 1/4 of the land under oil lease here is or has been drilled, 

I said before, there different opinions on how much oil there actually is in the Bakken field, it depends on who you listen to and their stats (& who is manipulating them).

This little bit here, upon reading it again, I think you misunderstood my point, because I didn't do a really good job saying what I said.

Only one fourth of the land leased for oil exploration in the United States has ever been drilled.  In other words, there is alot of Oil Land here laying fallow, I am a proponent of use it or lose it.

It was not meant to say that only a quarter of the Bakken has been found. 

Seriously,  I can see how you misunderstood, and if I followed the reasoning of your answer snip, you did.   

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
as I have stated many times, we got the Bakken find,  and only about 1/4 of the land under oil lease here is or has been drilled, 

I said before, there different opinions on how much oil there actually is in the Bakken field, it depends on who you listen to and their stats (& who is manipulating them).

This little bit here, upon reading it again, I think you misunderstood my point, because I didn't do a really good job saying what I said.

Only one fourth of the land leased for oil exploration in the United States has ever been drilled.  In other words, there is alot of Oil Land here laying fallow, I am a proponent of use it or lose it.

It was not meant to say that only a quarter of the Bakken has been found. 

Seriously,  I can see how you misunderstood, and if I followed the reasoning of your answer snip, you did.   

yes, I did take it that way.

And yes, I am aware of your royalty checks (you posted a while back about your father buying shares or something, if i recall correctly).

On the contrary, i am not emotional about it.. just there are miles of pipelines in the US already, there are disagreements about how various methods do damage, etc.. I just wanted to know what damage you were concerned about (most imo is done in Alberta itself)..

Sure, 30 years from now, you could buy Alberta's oil,.. the question is, at what price? I tend to think a little differently.. imo, the US would be better off using the oil from the rest of the world and then when those sources are depleted (or perhaps when the price gets waaay too high), that imo would be the time to develop your own.. That would be my view if I were an (patriotic? ) American and thinking solely of strategy..
But I dont have shares that give me royalties so no financial bias in that respect.. (I did not even get one of the payouts from Alberta's heritage fund )

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
as I have stated many times, we got the Bakken find,  and only about 1/4 of the land under oil lease here is or has been drilled, 

I said before, there different opinions on how much oil there actually is in the Bakken field, it depends on who you listen to and their stats (& who is manipulating them).

This little bit here, upon reading it again, I think you misunderstood my point, because I didn't do a really good job saying what I said.

Only one fourth of the land leased for oil exploration in the United States has ever been drilled.  In other words, there is alot of Oil Land here laying fallow, I am a proponent of use it or lose it.

It was not meant to say that only a quarter of the Bakken has been found. 

Seriously,  I can see how you misunderstood, and if I followed the reasoning of your answer snip, you did.   

yes, I did take it that way.

And yes, I am aware of your royalty checks (you posted a while back about your father buying shares or something, if i recall correctly).

On the contrary, i am not emotional about it.. just there are miles of pipelines in the US already, there are disagreements about how various methods do damage, etc.. I just wanted to know what damage you were concerned about (most imo is done in Alberta itself)..

Sure, 30 years from now, you could buy Alberta's oil,.. the question is, at what price? I tend to think a little differently.. imo, the US would be better off using the oil from the rest of the world and then when those sources are depleted (or perhaps when the price gets waaay too high), that imo would be the time to develop your own.. That would be my view if I were an (patriotic? ) American and thinking solely of strategy..
But I dont have shares that give me royalties so no financial bias in that respect.. (I did not even get one of the payouts from Alberta's heritage fund )

his 1/4 of leased land being drilled is bullshit also. It takes years of lead time to prepare a field to be developed and they get tied up even longer in environmental studies/lawsuits/restudies/new lawsuits. If new leases arent continually being secured it guarantees a gap when the reserves in producing fields are depleted.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

When the moron in the Whitehouse is more worried about his reelection than creating 20,000 jobs at zero cost thats what happens.

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

By the way, Oil is the lifeblood of this country, and trying to choke it off is exactly the same as causing a slow death to this nation.

Is there anything you would not do for oil?

Until they start building some nuclear power plants, we realy have no alternative.


Have you developed a way to deal with the toxic waste from those plants?

The wind doesn't always blow


Where the wind blows it blows consistantly.

and the sun doesn't always shine,

Not sure where you live but on the planet we live on it does.


so this idea that we can use 100% green energy is ridiculous

Perhaps if you were to disabuse yourself of your ignorance that wind and solar are the only green sources of energy your post would not be so rediculous.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

While I think the pipeline is a huge fucking mistake, the point of my post was to express amazement the repubs would be willing to sacrifice a tax extension that the middle class of this country desperately needs, just to have their way on the pipeline.  I find that kind of thinking absolutely sickening.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

While I think the pipeline is a huge fucking mistake, the point of my post was to express amazement the repubs would be willing to sacrifice a tax extension that the middle class of this country desperately needs, just to have their way on the pipeline.  I find that kind of thinking absolutely sickening.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

While I think the pipeline is a huge fucking mistake, the point of my post was to express amazement the repubs would be willing to sacrifice a tax extension that the middle class of this country desperately needs, just to have their way on the pipeline.  I find that kind of thinking absolutely sickening.

Once again, it isnt a tax cut.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Your point?  Besides that you didn't actually read my post, I mean.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

While I think the pipeline is a huge fucking mistake, the point of my post was to express amazement the repubs would be willing to sacrifice a tax extension that the middle class of this country desperately needs, just to have their way on the pipeline.  I find that kind of thinking absolutely sickening.

Once again, it isnt a tax cut.