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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 12:15:19 PM   
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I could say "we" did it. and it would mean what you say.

When the Commander in Chief says it, it means something different.


It means,"The Team I lead" did it.


Are you going to pretend you don't comprehend that?

Don't you have any self respect?

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 12:17:39 PM   
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Youve reduced yourself to mincing words, your prime specialty

I am not playing this game, Obamas speech is far more interesting to me than your silly little derail




Now you accuse me of playing a game by pointing out your own words, as well as your failure to point out Obamas words.

The Op, as an attempt to ridicule your President is a failure on any sort of intellectual level.

If you are so angry that you dont wish to "Play anymore" feel free. Just dont hope that I will stop pointing out bullshit Op`s when I see them.

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 12:18:19 PM   
Sanity


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He stood up and bragged about it, and rightfully so

What we achieved in Iraq is worth bragging about, and Obama does deserve some of the credit

Too bad he was so stingy in sharing that credit... but thats another thread, possibly

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Fuck Sanity, the trolls are now pretending that Obama using "we" doesn't include the the leader of that group (himself).

Them being this deranged, this far out is good sign.

A very good sign.



See, you still dont get it, even using your own convaluted version of English. WE as you point out is inclusive, inclusive of America as a whole.

Sanity`s Op claims Obama claims the credit, he does, but on behalf of the US.

No amount of name calling or b/s posts on your behalf will change that in anyway shape or form.


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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 12:18:58 PM   
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The US (and more specifically the Armed Forces of the USA of which he is the CIC).


I could say "we" did it. and it would mean what you say.

When the Commander in Chief says it, it means something different.


It means,"The Team I lead" did it.


Are you goign to pretend you don't comprehend that?

That changes what in what fundamental way?  Or are you pretending that the president of the united states is not one of us one of 'We, the people" ...by virtue of his office?

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 12:22:12 PM   
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The US (and more specifically the Armed Forces of the USA of which he is the CIC).


I could say "we" did it. and it would mean what you say.

When the Commander in Chief says it, it means something different.


It means,"The Team I lead" did it.


Are you going to pretend you don't comprehend that?


No I didnt comprehend that, since it is your misguided understanding and not mine, nor that of most others.


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Don't you have any self respect?

Dont ask such a dumb question. If I had Any self respect I wouldnt be responding to your trollish posts, would I ?

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 12:26:22 PM   
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No, the mission was, in Obamas words, quote

"
We remember the early days: the American units that streaked across the sands and skies of Iraq, the battles from Karbala to Baghdad, American troops breaking the back of a brutal dictator in less than a month..."

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The 'mission' was to find weapons of mass destruction. Where the fuck are they?

The 'mission' was to improve the lives of the Iraqi people. Did that happen?

The only 'mission' they accomplished was to make a few more tens of billions for Haliburton and Dubya's friends in "The AWWWL Bidness".

CAUTION: Reality is a bitch and not in a good way either.



Actually the "mission" referred to in the banner was originally a reference to the mission of that carrier only, not Operation Iraqi Freedom. (Which by the way oddly doesnt say "Operation WMDs"

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 12:34:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

....

Operation Iraqi Freedom was carried out with a combination of precision, and speed, and boldness the enemy did not expect, and the world had not seen before.



So, #EPIC #FAIL wilbur...

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 12:47:36 PM   
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When he received an advance copy of the speech, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld took care to remove any use of the phrase "Mission Accomplished" in the speech itself. Later, when journalist Bob Woodward asked him about his changes to the speech, Rumsfeld responded: "I was in Baghdad, and I was given a draft of that thing to look at. And I just died, and I said my God, it's too conclusive. And I fixed it and sent it back… they fixed the speech, but not the sign


Bush went on to use the phrase "Missin accomplished" a few weeks later in 2003, on a visit to Afghanistan.

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 1:53:07 PM   
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of course "little one--the troll who whines to Mods" isn't going to give a definition or show how they are different.....

Just make silly claims for attention.

Poor little shit breather.



Yaknow if you've been modspanked, why are you blaming it on someone else?

They didn't get you in trouble, you did. Ever hear of someting called 'personal responsibility'?

Sounds to me like you're just whining.

If you do something wrong, own up to it and don't do it again. It's no frickin huge deal.

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 1:56:08 PM   
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Actually the "mission" referred to in the banner was originally a reference to the mission of that carrier only, not Operation Iraqi Freedom. (Which by the way oddly doesnt say "Operation WMDs"

SUUUUUUURE that's the only mission he was talking about. Presidents fly out to carriers all the time to deliver speeches from the flight deck with "Mission Accomplished" banners on the flight deck. why, they do it after every deployment don't they.

wilbur, that's a fucking reach even for you.

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 2:18:25 PM   
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Now BO is claiming "Mission Accomplished"

But that's alright, the far left won't go apoplectic over that because its perfectly acceptable to be supportive of the military so long as you're not Bush

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When he received an advance copy of the speech, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld took care to remove any use of the phrase "Mission Accomplished" in the speech itself. Later, when journalist Bob Woodward asked him about his changes to the speech, Rumsfeld responded: "I was in Baghdad, and I was given a draft of that thing to look at. And I just died, and I said my God, it's too conclusive. And I fixed it and sent it back… they fixed the speech, but not the sign


Bush went on to use the phrase "Missin accomplished" a few weeks later in 2003, on a visit to Afghanistan.



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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 2:24:06 PM   
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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 2:24:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		From ‘Mission Accomplished’ to ‘Welcome Home,’ the Iraq War Ends

Former president George W. Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" when he landed on the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln. Think Progress reported he delivered a speech May 1, 2003, just six weeks after the war began to declare the U.S. military had achieved their mission. Unfortunately, insurgents and the Iraqi people had other plans.
.......

Nearly nine years after it began, the Iraq War officially came to an end. President Barack Obama promised to have all of the troops home by the end of 2011. In Obama's speech Dec. 14 at Fort Bragg, N.C., he told the troops in attendance that their sacrifices for Iraq were finally over.
"On behalf of a grateful nation, I'm proud to finally say these two words. Welcome home," Obama said.

http://news.yahoo.com/mission-accomplished-welcome-home-iraq-war-ends-231700137.html



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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 3:22:01 PM   
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Mission Accomplished now means that Barack Obama saw Bushs vision for a free Iraq through to completion

Iraq belongs to the Iraqis now, theyre free to choose their own destiny

You would think that even leftists would be happy about this but for the most part it would appear that theyre just bitter ugly small people, still

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The mission accomplished was to get the fuck outta there, flush that toilet, that is what everyone has been telling you guys.  No more larger issue here.


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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 3:55:44 PM   
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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 4:03:33 PM   
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You would think that even leftists would be happy about this but for the most part it would appear that theyre just bitter ugly small people, still


Typing the above because the error of your OP has been pointed out to you, does nothing to correct the lie in the OP that Obama was claiming credit.


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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 5:34:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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of course "little one--the troll who whines to Mods" isn't going to give a definition or show how they are different.....

Just make silly claims for attention.

Poor little shit breather.



Yaknow if you've been modspanked, why are you blaming it on someone else?

They didn't get you in trouble, you did. Ever hear of someting called 'personal responsibility'?

Sounds to me like you're just whining.

If you do something wrong, own up to it and don't do it again. It's no frickin huge deal.

???

I specifically asked it to give a definition for "liberate" that backs up it's crazy assertion.

I note it is unable to do so.

Maybe you missed what I was talking about dawg. It's cool, sometimes Im a bit subtle.

Ive seen you talking about some poster 'whining to the mods'
several times. That would imply youve gotten one or more of those gold bordered letters. I have also.
Theres 3 kinds of em.

1. Friendly letters.. Ive actually gotten them. Friendly letters from a mod just making convo.

2. Letters saying that a post of yours has been deleted because you quoted a post against TOS. I bet we've all gotten those.

3. The ones that say your post violates TOS. YUPPER, Ive gotten them too.

ALL of the above from the same mod within a week.

They don't play favorites NEAR as much as people say they do.
Dawg, If you've been modspanked, don't blame someone else as you appear to be doing. Own the post and apologise if necessary and don't make the same mistake twice.
Trust me man. You can make your point and piss people off without violating TOS.

It just requires care and thought.

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 5:36:24 PM   
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Iraq belongs to the Iraqis now, theyre free to choose their own destiny



Do you honestly believe that? (serious question with absolutely no snark or anything else).

I don't.

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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 6:05:26 PM   
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RE: Obama Praises, Blesses, Takes Credit For Iraq War - 12/16/2011 6:09:02 PM   
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Regardless of your thoughts about the invasion, he pulled together a nation when she was falling apart. No way in hell would I have wanted to be CIC during that period.

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