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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/20/2011 11:00:41 AM

Aswad

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You seem to ignore completely the point.

The case of Tito may illustrate it more clearly for you.

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/20/2011 4:00:19 PM

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/20/2011 6:47:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

And your propaganda...

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But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.

Falls flat, there was no reference in your Wiki article about ignoring an invasion, so hold on to your tinfoil hats - just as the quote implied, Glaspie was referencing a border dispute

A disagreement, not a fucking war!

The same page on wiki that has been cherry-picked in Sanity's post alerts us to the context in which this advice was given to Saddam by the US Ambassador:

"We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

So, Saddam's threats are flying around like confetti, Iraqi troops are massing on the border and all the US has to say is that it has "no opinion"! Significantly, the US doesn't make any objection to any military action by Iraq. No indication of any US response to an Iraqi invasion is given to Saddam. The possibility of direct US military response (which is what happened) doesn't merit a mention. Saddam has been given every reason to believe that the US doesn't care if he invades.

In diplomatic terms, the above is clearly a signal that the US isn't going to get involved, it's going to turn a blind eye. This confirms Aswad's claim that the US gave "implied prior approval". Sanity's attempt to re-write history to suit his ideological neo-con position fails. It fails thoroughly, unambiguously and pathetically.

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/20/2011 9:26:46 PM

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Read your own quote, from your own source

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Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/20/2011 9:28:48 PM

Sanity

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Should be Obama in that pic

He is tooting the liberation horn now, after all

And he has been presiding over that war for three years or so, spending the money, handing out medals

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/20/2011 9:38:23 PM

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The guys who shot the victim don`t get to take credit for their recovery.

You get branded as the guys who started the trouble and caused the damage.

You DON`T get to pat yourselves on the back or hide from the soldiers you got killed through fraud.

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/20/2011 9:38:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Read your own quote, from your own source

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Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 5:06:31 AM

Sanity

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All of the Democrats voted to authorize the war, Owner

Obama kept the Bush policy for Iraq in play despite campaign promises to abandon the Iraqis

Everybody gets the credit for freeing the people of Iraq

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The guys who shot the victim don`t get to take credit for their recovery.

You get branded as the guys who started the trouble and caused the damage.

You DON`T get to pat yourselves on the back or hide from the soldiers you got killed through fraud.

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 5:49:44 AM

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All of the Democrats voted to authorize the war, Owner

Outright ignorant and arrogantly stupid fucking lie, a usual occurrance.

Don't you know people can see what you post?

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 6:32:13 AM

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Would you agree this guy voted against it?

Paul Wellstone (D-MN)

(I can bring up the record of the vote, and I am not alone)

That is and of itself a violation of necessary and sufficient conditions for 'ALL'

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:09:02 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmm nothing yet, probably just got busy. How about this guy?

Mark Dayton (D-MN)

that would double down on that violation of conditions we commonly understand as meaning 'ALL'.

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:19:53 AM

mnottertail

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Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Robert Byrd (D-WV)
Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Jon Corzine (D-NJ)

How about 'ALL' of these guys?

But wait!!!! If you pay attention now, there's more!!!!!!

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:20:14 AM

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Whats wrong sanity isnt Obama dark enough for you in that cartoon
do you not recognize a cartoon Obama ??
Of course you can you are just flinging your scat at anything you think will stick
bush has no part in the clusterfuck that was Iraq?
Obama may not have ended it as quick as he wanted, nobody with half a clue, knew it was possible in the time line expected by neocons.. but he actually did it, and its ended before his first term... ooops something Bush couldnt even give a date to or contemplate
yet your "side" are rattling sabres at iran allready, what are they all mental midgets?

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:29:00 AM

Sanity

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Youre wound up this morning! Did the dog shit in your coffee?

Who voted against authorizing the invasion, one crazy old loon...

Kucinovitch, or whatever his name was

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quote:

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All of the Democrats voted to authorize the war, Owner

Outright ignorant and arrogantly stupid fucking lie, a usual occurrance.

Don't you know people can see what you post?

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:30:38 AM

Sanity

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You really think that is Dear Leader in that picture?

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Whats wrong sanity isnt Obama dark enough for you in that cartoon
do you not recognize a cartoon Obama ??
Of course you can you are just flinging your scat at anything you think will stick
bush has no part in the clusterfuck that was Iraq?
Obama may not have ended it as quick as he wanted, nobody with half a clue, knew it was possible in the time line expected by neotards.. but he actually did it, and its ended before his first term... ooops something Bush couldnt even give a date to or contemplate
yet your "side" are rattling sabres at iran allready, what are they all mental midgets?

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:39:10 AM

Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You really think that is Dear Leader in that picture?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Whats wrong sanity isnt Obama dark enough for you in that cartoon
do you not recognize a cartoon Obama ??
Of course you can you are just flinging your scat at anything you think will stick
bush has no part in the clusterfuck that was Iraq?
Obama may not have ended it as quick as he wanted, nobody with half a clue, knew it was possible in the time line expected by neotards.. but he actually did it, and its ended before his first term... ooops something Bush couldnt even give a date to or contemplate
yet your "side" are rattling sabres at iran allready, what are they all mental midgets?

I KNOW who it is, why dont YOU?

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:40:40 AM

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I think your head is still full of rush shit. You might peruse this, it seems to be a felching from another of the many outright liars in your party.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/10/12753/boehner-vote/

But easy enough, pull up the head count of the vote and show me that asswipe you spew mindlessly has any coincedence whatsoever with fact.

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:44:55 AM

Sanity

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Youre right, and I am wrong

You know what the difference between conservatives and leftists is?

Conservatives can admit mistakes...

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I think your head is still full of rush shit. You might peruse this, it seems to be a felching from another of the many outright liars in your party.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/10/12753/boehner-vote/

But easy enough, pull up the head count of the vote and show me that asswipe you spew mindlessly has any coincedence whatsoever with fact.

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:49:47 AM

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theres a first time for everything...
congratulations Sanity, you crossed that frontier, without denial
It is a better path
welcome into the light

now stay there and dont let the neocons drag you back into their next of bullshit and brainwashing

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RE: Iraq war over,congradulations to our troops and tha... - 12/21/2011 7:53:05 AM

Sanity

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Oh, you think I am a brain dead leftist zombie now?

That Ive joined the apocalypse?

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theres a first time for everything...
congratulations Sanity, you crossed that frontier, without denial
It is a better path
welcome into the light

now stay there and dont let the neocons drag you back into their next of bullshit and brainwashing

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