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SailingBum -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (12/21/2011 7:14:01 AM)

I think the opposite men just got smarter by getting married later in life. Despite the pressure from all the smokin hot bitches us men have dated. LH nope never been tho I've lived in the Pointes for many years.

BadOne




LaTigresse -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (12/21/2011 7:15:06 AM)

Ya. And most of the men in my family are military guys. Which brings to mind another thing mr huuurrraaaay up there seems to be forgetting about. The family and friends that are a vital support system to all those macho fools.

I love my family, those that have served and those that haven't. But serving in the military does not make a man, or woman, a better human being. It either enhances the good qualities they already had, or it shines a brighter light on the negative qualities they already had.




LaTigresse -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (12/21/2011 7:19:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

I think the opposite men just got smarter by getting married later in life. Despite the pressure from all the smokin hot bitches us men have dated. LH nope never been tho I've lived in the Pointes for many years.

BadOne


I think that is a very very good trend. Few men in their twenties, or some even into their thirties, are really ready for that leap and all it entails.

G.D. will admit quite readily that he was a clueless yutz when we got married and he was 26. And we really were on two completely different plains of what was important in life. He still wanted to go out partying with the guys and I was focused on work and family stuff. It probably took a good 10 years to smooth things out.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (12/21/2011 7:21:00 AM)

Yep, you have bad taste in women. Not only do I support myself, but I make far more than most of the men I have dated.
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I have yet to be with a woman who is able to support herself.

Maybe I just have bad taste in women.





Aynne88 -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (12/21/2011 7:39:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Ya. And most of the men in my family are military guys. Which brings to mind another thing mr huuurrraaaay up there seems to be forgetting about. The family and friends that are a vital support system to all those macho fools.

I love my family, those that have served and those that haven't. But serving in the military does not make a man, or woman, a better human being. It either enhances the good qualities they already had, or it shines a brighter light on the negative qualities they already had.



Yep. Couldn't have said it better. Two marine uncles, Dad is a lifer US Army and sis and bro-in-law Air Force. It makes not one whit of difference in regards to their maturity, or qualities as a person. It just happens to be what they do. My 2 uncles are basically the dudes from "Jackass." [8|]. Add whiskey and surely a wrestling match will ensue. So cool to see 55 year olds doing that.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (12/21/2011 7:52:44 AM)

My brother was a Marine, in Vietnam. It wasn't the military that made him grow up. That happened many years later when he faced his demons and went through alcohol rehab.




Servant4Queen -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/23/2012 6:13:24 PM)


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I dont know what the fuck you just wrote Lady hibiscus. You believe what you want.


Hmmm...have to chime in. The biggest douchebags that I have had to shut off in my 20 plus years of bartending are military dudes. Always. Looking for fights, hitting on other guys girls, cheap as fuck tippers and about as mature as 5th graders. Can't handle their liquor and when they come in in groups it's a horror show. Cocky loud and obnoxious.






Probably the same kind of man that fought over in the Middle East, Vietnam, or WW2. Maybe your Uncle, Grandfather, Brother or Father, nephew. Douchebags? Men ready to sacrifice for people like you who have no clue what its like to serve. The same douchebags that come back with no legs, no arms or with chronic ptsd ? So you are calling the husbands, brothers and fathers of the military douchebags as well? Have you walked a mile in their shoes or just behind that bar ?

20 years of bartending for the military and this is what you take away from that experience? I dont believe you. If it were that horrible as you stay why in hell did you stay under those conditions for 20 years? Really? ... Really?





Clickofheels -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 12:15:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoxwineForBrunch

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An example of this approach is here:  http://bit.ly/15nQls

This is the Satere Mawe tribe of the Amazon.  This rite involves young men wearing gloves laced with a hundred or so angry bullet ants which secrete an incredibly painful neurotoxin.  To be considered a man, the initiate must wear the gloves for 10 minutes.  After removing them, the pain only increases and it takes 24 hours for the neurotoxin to dissipate.

There's just one catch.  They have to do it 20 times.

Many men in Western societies are soft, indecisive and unfit to lead.  This is why so many women complain about them.  There's a lack of personal ethics, standards and goals which make them a pale shadow of their forebears.  Not everyone has the desire to be a captain of industry, but every man can have a code of ethics, some goals in his life and the stones to accept personal responsibility for outcomes.


oy vey bro, i am going to start reading your posts more carefully from now on because there is some seriously impressive day-glo hallucinogenic batshit hidden in the banal, condescending sanctimony. :D



Thank you Boxwine! (Smiles)

Ms Clickofheels




kalikshama -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 6:30:06 AM)

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Probably the same kind of man that fought over in the Middle East, Vietnam, or WW2. Maybe your Uncle, Grandfather, Brother or Father, nephew. Douchebags? Men ready to sacrifice for people like you who have no clue what its like to serve. The same douchebags that come back with no legs, no arms or with chronic ptsd ? So you are calling the husbands, brothers and fathers of the military douchebags as well? Have you walked a mile in their shoes or just behind that bar ? 20 years of bartending for the military and this is what you take away from that experience? I dont believe you. If it were that horrible as you stay why in hell did you stay under those conditions for 20 years? Really? ... Really?


I'm a veteran and did not take offense to Aynne's words, which you sadly misunderstood.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

Hmmm...have to chime in. The biggest douchebags that I have had to shut off in my 20 plus years of bartending are military dudes. Always. Looking for fights, hitting on other guys girls, cheap as fuck tippers and about as mature as 5th graders. Can't handle their liquor and when they come in in groups it's a horror show. Cocky loud and obnoxious.


Serving in the military is not a free pass for acting like an asshole in public, which is what Aynne is describing. She has a mix of clients, civilian and military, and her experience has been that those more likely to behave badly are military.

I too have seen more boorish behavior in military bars than in civilian.




kalikshama -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 6:33:39 AM)

Click - Boxwine was responding to Awareness. I find it VERY interesting that you relate to day-glo hallucinogenic batshit hidden in the banal, condescending sanctimony. (Wink)

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ORIGINAL: Clickofheels


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ORIGINAL: BoxwineForBrunch

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An example of this approach is here:  http://bit.ly/15nQls

This is the Satere Mawe tribe of the Amazon.  This rite involves young men wearing gloves laced with a hundred or so angry bullet ants which secrete an incredibly painful neurotoxin.  To be considered a man, the initiate must wear the gloves for 10 minutes.  After removing them, the pain only increases and it takes 24 hours for the neurotoxin to dissipate.

There's just one catch.  They have to do it 20 times.

Many men in Western societies are soft, indecisive and unfit to lead.  This is why so many women complain about them.  There's a lack of personal ethics, standards and goals which make them a pale shadow of their forebears.  Not everyone has the desire to be a captain of industry, but every man can have a code of ethics, some goals in his life and the stones to accept personal responsibility for outcomes.


oy vey bro, i am going to start reading your posts more carefully from now on because there is some seriously impressive day-glo hallucinogenic batshit hidden in the banal, condescending sanctimony. :D



Thank you Boxwine! (Smiles)

Ms Clickofheels








LadyHibiscus -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 6:37:33 AM)

My respect for the military is deep and lifelong. It makes me sad when I see civilians regarded as lesser life forms, AND military folk being sanctified. There's a range of people on both sides.




xxblushesxx -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 6:44:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Click - Boxwine was responding to Awareness. I find it VERY interesting that you relate to day-glo hallucinogenic batshit hidden in the banal, condescending sanctimony. (Wink)

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ORIGINAL: Clickofheels


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ORIGINAL: BoxwineForBrunch

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An example of this approach is here:  http://bit.ly/15nQls

This is the Satere Mawe tribe of the Amazon.  This rite involves young men wearing gloves laced with a hundred or so angry bullet ants which secrete an incredibly painful neurotoxin.  To be considered a man, the initiate must wear the gloves for 10 minutes.  After removing them, the pain only increases and it takes 24 hours for the neurotoxin to dissipate.

There's just one catch.  They have to do it 20 times.

Many men in Western societies are soft, indecisive and unfit to lead.  This is why so many women complain about them.  There's a lack of personal ethics, standards and goals which make them a pale shadow of their forebears.  Not everyone has the desire to be a captain of industry, but every man can have a code of ethics, some goals in his life and the stones to accept personal responsibility for outcomes.


oy vey bro, i am going to start reading your posts more carefully from now on because there is some seriously impressive day-glo hallucinogenic batshit hidden in the banal, condescending sanctimony. :D



Thank you Boxwine! (Smiles)

Ms Clickofheels







Oh darn. I just assumed he was responding to her, since she thanked him. It made my morning. Now you snatched away my happies. [:(][&o]




GreedyTop -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 6:45:06 AM)

what Hibbie said (which reminds me, Hibbie.. you'll have mail in a few minutes)




Fornica -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 6:48:42 AM)

If you're sending her boobs, I expect to be CC:d.
Just sayin'.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 6:49:47 AM)

Greedy is not sending me boobs, Forney. Now if she was sending me skinny legs and a cute little butt... THEN I would CC ya!




Fornica -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 7:14:53 AM)

*sigh*




tazzygirl -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 7:20:11 AM)

not to mention some editing




fucktoyprincess -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 8:11:11 AM)

Speaking from personal experience only (and I don't profess to generalize beyond that), I encounter many men who self-describe as Dominant, who essentially want to be taken care of by a woman (i.e., they want a whore in the bedroom, and then a mother outside of that). As an educated working professional, I have to say, I find that a little distasteful. Most men in their 30s who say they want a "50s household" type lifestyle, basically mean they don't want to do anything. They forget that in the 50s a man would have still done a lot of work around the house, even if not in the kitchen. As I live in a large city, where yard work and such are not part of my chores, for a man in the city to say he wants a 50s style household really means he doesn't want to do anything.

I do agree with those who say this is an issue for both men and women. I think people need to be raised to be self-sufficient regardless of gender. This means developing some marketable skill, this means knowing how to keep yourself and your home clean, this means being able to grow/shop for groceries, and prepare meals. This also means developing the skills to be a good parent. I really don't care whether one calls oneself submissive or Dominant, or whether one is straight, gay, or bi. Whatever your gender, your role, your orientation, no one should be a baby. Period.

My best relationships have included the following aspects: the man in a sexually Dominant role, the work of day-to-day life split in an equitable manner between the two of us, a shared love of food (completely sharing the responsibility to shop and cook). A man who is unwilling or incapable of even doing simple things around the house is not someone I would want as a life partner. My preference, but I find it increasingly difficult to find men in their 30s/early 40s in this lifestyle who are like that.

In fact, I just recently broke up with a play partner who I decided I was better off without. He is not, and will never be in my mind, partnership material. He is a capable and very successful professional, but otherwise utterly not self-sufficient, including not being able to manage his time outside of work efficiently. This would all be fine if he were 23 and just out of college and still figuring things out. But he is 38. The money he earns does not really compensate for the fact that he needs a mother. I am many things, but I really don't want to play mother to an almost middle-aged man (bedroom antics are one thing, and, of course, I'm happy to play mother to an actual child, but to a grown man???)

Again, this all reflects my wants/needs/experiences.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 8:16:11 AM)

Your experience reflects much of mine, FTP. MANY self-described submissive males want a second mother to tell them what to do and manage their lives so that they have no responsibilities (except, perhaps, bringing home a paycheck).




LaTigresse -> RE: do american men have a hard time growing up? (1/24/2012 8:22:11 AM)

That is why I often think of G.D. as more submissive than many men that identify as such. Not only does he serve me in many ways, he also makes a very concentrated effort to serve the relationship. Often times more so and better than I.

Last night he was maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad as hell at me. We had a little.......debate......earlier in the day [:D] that didn't get resolved. Yet when I got home, the dog's dinner was started and my dinner was ready. Granted he didn't speak to me all evening or this morning, but I am not certain that is a negative.

Alllllllllllll without any kinky expectations. Win win for me.




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