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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 6:04:12 PM   
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It still doesn't mean that every man still yearning for his long dead relationship is going to go ballistic and turn into a murderer.  Of course Ted Bundy and others come to mind.  That's because you don't hear about the people who suffer in silence and just become self destructive.



Agreed. Ted Bundy was an extreme example, and I'd even go as far to say that most men with such an issue probably won't even become abusive or violent but as you say, they turn it in on themselves and become bitter and negative.

But the principle remains the exact same. While that issue still remains the potential will always exist.

While that issue remains together with the attachment to the previous relationship there is no possibility to move on and form a new healthy relationship either within himself or with someone else. All that will happen at best is that the cycle will repeat itself.

And that will remain the case until he himself faces up to the issue and gains control of it himself.

And there's nothing you, me, or anyone else can do to change that.


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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 6:05:40 PM   
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Because I am tired of hearing about it, and the hooker thing was creepy, in and of itself. He could lose his license doing stuff like that. Nothing i say seems to help

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 6:15:59 PM   
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Telling him may enable him to see that it is in fact over... for good.

So, tell him and if he weirds out on you you can make a decision then to tell him he needs to get perspective and you are going to take a break until he does.

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 6:38:13 PM   
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LOL Good lord... he is risking his license over a two year old broken relationship... sounds pretty crazy to me.. but he won't do that other kind of crazy.

I hope you argue in court better than this.


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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 6:53:34 PM   
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He is a potential stalker and frankly I would drop him like a hot potato. Sooner rather than later.


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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 7:14:43 PM   
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Because I am tired of hearing about it, and the hooker thing was creepy, in and of itself. He could lose his license doing stuff like that. Nothing i say seems to help

You say he avoids anyone that knows her.. perhaps he doesnt want to hear that she has moved on and that his soul mate is engaged to her soul mate and its not him.. Maybe he needs to hear that for him to finally wake up and realize she is not coming back.. she is engaged to another man, she will marry him, perhaps have his kids, the expectation is that they will grow old and wrinkly together.. If she is marrying someone else, she never was his soul mate..

I dont know.. how do you get an alcoholic to finally stop drinking? Maybe he needs to hear that, to see a pic of her on her wedding day... for him to finally hit his bottom and come back up again, to pick up the pieces and find a new soul mate..

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 9:06:42 PM   
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Based on my own experiences of working with the homeless, I don't believe you can get anybody to do anything.

All you can do is provide them with the opportunity for them to do whatever they need to do themselves for their own reasons and be there to support them.

Isn't this true though for everyone? Sometimes there's things we just don't see or accept even though people are telling us. Sometimes we have to learn the hard way, and figure things out from our own experiences and perception.

There's only one route to wisdom and that is, unfortunately, through trying to be a better idiot.

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 9:38:42 PM   
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This is third level therapy but it should work. Void where prohibited. If in a city full of crazy people, you might want to check with local authorities. But then you might not.

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 9:41:58 PM   
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Dear Abby,
I never thought I would be writing this...


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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/20/2011 11:25:32 PM   
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I'll tell you what I wouldn't want to argue in court: that his behavior could be considered in any way dangerous to his x. There seems to me to be a big difference from giving away your girl friend's clothes to a hooker (very, very weird and self destructive) and physically injuring her (another mental problem altogether). Concluding that one flows from another would be a big leap in logic for most people, but obviously not for you. I am sorry your past experiences have made you so cynical. You are certainly correct that some people, men and sometimes women, react violently in these situations. Lots more don't.
The strangest thing is that we have a mutual acquaintance who complains constantly, to anyone who will listen, about how her ex husband did her wrong. My friend has no patience with her, but doesn't recognize similar behavior in himself. Kind of makes me glad that I have never been obsessively in love. When my relationships are over, they are over.
I am certainly sad that my friend is unhappy, and that I can't help him or even care to listen to him anymore. I will miss him
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

LOL Good lord... he is risking his license over a two year old broken relationship... sounds pretty crazy to me.. but he won't do that other kind of crazy.

I hope you argue in court better than this.



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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/21/2011 2:53:24 AM   
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I am considering ending yet another relationship in my life.
I have this guy friend, who dated a woman 20 years younger than him for about 3 years.  They broke up 2 years ago!

She is engaged now (although he doesn't know that).  He still refers to her as his "soul mate" and says shit like they have a spiritual connection, so he knows when she is nearby.  Stalkerish stuff, in other words.  The latest thing he has done is found a hooker on Craigslist, gathered up all his ex's stuff still in his possession, and gave it to the hooker, saying that she is more honest and forthright than the previous owner of this stuff.  I think that is just too creepy for words.

I like this guy, in a friendship way, and he would be a hell of a catch for someone.  He is musically talented, smart, physically attractive, makes a great living, and is probably kinky as hell, but his obsession with this relationship is just too weird.  I can't think of anything to say to him to snap him out of it (he has done counseling to death), and his obsessiveness is starting to freak me out, not to mention that I am sick of hearing about the whole thing.   I certainly don't want to tell him that his ex is engaged. 

I don't know, can this friendship be saved?  The thing with the hooker crossed a big line, in my opinion. 


Sorry, but I only read this part and not the rest of the thread. It is at three pages now, and I want to get offline soon and go watch a movie while playing Pokemon White before going to bed. Now for my .

First off, I have experienced psychic phenomena in the past, in spite of my wish for it not to happen. Some of these times have been over friends, not just family and lovers. It is not uncommon for people to just...feel...when something awful has happened to a close family member. I had this unwelcome soul link with two of my past lovers and with several friends. Even moving to the opposite coast did not break it, it had to fade away over the years with each one. If others don't believe in this happening...it doesn't change anything.

So I will swallow it that he felt this link with her. What bothers me...is that he kept her things for two years after they broke up. WTF? I have kept a scrap of paper with a past lover's handwriting on it, or something else insignificant to everyone else but had meaning to me...until I was ready to let it go. The right time was when it no longer held any emotional impact. Belongings are different. If he offered them to her and she told him to toss them away, that's different; if he never offered, but refused to return them...

That he felt a moment of spite and needed to give them away to a hooker, ah...that could help some people with burying what is already long dead...BUT...telling you about this, telling anyone about what he did, as if he is proud of his cleverness... Ewwh, yanno? IMHO, he is still too...emotional...over her to be good relationship material.

Also, someone not behaving like a gentleman with their ex is a turn off for me, and I would wonder if my own stuff would eventually be kept and given to another prostitute, along with a derisive comment about my character.

I know I am repeating myself but...it took me about ten years to get over leaving a certain past lover. We were incompatible and I refused to get married when I knew a divorce would loom in our future. The link remained though, fading only after 4-6 years. I did not intentionally stalk, and have no control over where my sleeping soul chooses to wander. Anyway, I moved from California back to West Virginia because with the way I felt, the state of California wasn't big enough for the both of us. Three time zones away was better; I would never have to experience the "eyes meeting across a crowded room" or store or whatever, and feel the knife twisting.

IMO, until she doesn't matter to him anymore, whoever he hooks up with will either be a friend with benefits...or what I call a "bandaid" relationship, someone that helps us heal from past scars but not the person we want to grow old with. I was my first lover's bandaid, and I paid for...him catching her boinking another guy in their bed. He healed because of me being in his life but the relationship was toxic for me.

You are his guy's friend. BE that friend by telling him that he crossed a line with you, that giving her stuff to that hooker and saying what he did was really beneath him. Even if you end up dropping the friendship, I feel he should have a chance to wake up and smell the coffee. This is just my own opinion and only worth two cents, if that much. After all, I don't know either of you.

Ever see a musical called Auntie Mame? There is a song with the lyrics saying, "There's nothing like a bosom buddy to tell you how ROTTEN you are...!" If you are pissed off and disgusted over his behavior...

Btw, it doesn't matter that she married someone else. The (second) guy I left married someone several months after I left him a cowardly Dear John letter. Maybe it was closer to six months. It made no difference to me; my heart wasn't free until about ten years had passed. (During that time I was NOT good relationship material.) Hearing P had married so soon knocked me on my arse and it will probably do the same to your friend if you told him she is married. Unless for some peculiar male reason...it helps him to let go of her easier. If I wanted to...get with him...it would squick me out to be the one to tell him his ex is married, but that's just one of my strange quirks. I hope the guys are giving you better feedback on another guy than I can.

Okay, I made my epic post for the night and now it is time to toddle off and play Pokemon, lol. One of these days I will try to catch up with all the new threads, but right now Nintendo is giving away Victinis until Dec. 31 and it takes me about five hours to restart a game and get one, then transfer it over, kill off the game and restart. (Yes, I am greedy and want lots...these lil animals are cute, lol.)

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/21/2011 5:58:23 AM   
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I'm sorry.. in one statement you claim he is stalkerish, and then you say he
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would be a hell of a catch for someone


not computing...


That part got to me too, Monkey.
He sounds like a real catch for the cops.  If the OP were my friend and suggested this guy for a relationship after all that was said I cut ties w/her.

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/21/2011 9:17:50 AM   
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One of my personal rules for getting on is Don't Piss Off The Psycho. No one does anything dangerous or violent until the first time they do, right? I am not going to say that this guy is the epitome of evil, but he sure as hell isn't a good catch, he's someone to be warned away from.

I hope he gets himself straightened out before he messes his life up.

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/21/2011 9:23:10 AM   
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That would be my hope too.  He really has been a good friend.



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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/21/2011 9:50:29 AM   
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That would be my hope too.  He really has been a good friend.





A person that USED to be my friend is one of our local abusers--and that's not a word I toss around lightly. His friends tried hard as hell to get him to fly right but it didn't work. And yes, this person was a friend to me, and never caused ME a second's concern. I just couldn't be associated with him anymore, and many of his friends--his MALE dominant friends--felt the same.

Some people have to dig their own pit.

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/22/2011 6:41:56 PM   
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I think you misunderstand lockit. I am probably just as aware of DV issues as you. I have trouble believing someone I really like, and who is basically a caring person is going to suddenly go over the edge. His behavior is more self destructive than dangerous. I know his ex, she has never even mentioned him bothering her in the years they have been broken up. She is an atty and more than capable of getting an RO. I am so sorry that happened to your family, but I just don't think this is the same thing. He is a great guy, and good friend until this.


Hon...this guy needs to resolve his issues.

Why are you waiting in line until he does?

RUN!!!!!!

As fast as you can.

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/22/2011 6:43:42 PM   
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Because I am tired of hearing about it, and the hooker thing was creepy, in and of itself. He could lose his license doing stuff like that. Nothing i say seems to help



Aaaaaaaaaaaaand ?

(Seeing any patterns here hon?)

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/22/2011 6:50:52 PM   
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Telling him may enable him to see that it is in fact over... for good.

So, tell him and if he weirds out on you you can make a decision then to tell him he needs to get perspective and you are going to take a break until he does.


No. 

Say "goodbye" in a very friendly fashion, and then find someone appropriate.

There's a difference between passion/lust.....and love.

Discern for yourself those items clearly, determine where you stand amongst them and then....run like the fucking Devil.

(Now, notice, I didn't say...."move away slowly"....I said {essentially}...."GET THE FUCK AWAY NOW!!!!!!!").

(As in.....like....now....today...before you do anything else....put down the pen and make this occur....become a reality....STOP what you're doing!!!!!.....don't do what you've been doing....and.....when in doubt...read the above....rinse.....repeat).

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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/22/2011 7:11:55 PM   
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I am considering ending yet another relationship in my life.
I have this guy friend, who dated a woman 20 years younger than him for about 3 years.  They broke up 2 years ago!

She is engaged now (although he doesn't know that).  He still refers to her as his "soul mate" and says shit like they have a spiritual connection, so he knows when she is nearby.  Stalkerish stuff, in other words.  The latest thing he has done is found a hooker on Craigslist, gathered up all his ex's stuff still in his possession, and gave it to the hooker, saying that she is more honest and forthright than the previous owner of this stuff.  I think that is just too creepy for words.

I like this guy, in a friendship way, and he would be a hell of a catch for someone.  He is musically talented, smart, physically attractive, makes a great living, and is probably kinky as hell, but his obsession with this relationship is just too weird.  I can't think of anything to say to him to snap him out of it (he has done counseling to death), and his obsessiveness is starting to freak me out, not to mention that I am sick of hearing about the whole thing.   I certainly don't want to tell him that his ex is engaged. 

I don't know, can this friendship be saved?  The thing with the hooker crossed a big line, in my opinion. 


Like hanging out with sociopaths do you?


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RE: I am about to wash my hands of this guy - 12/22/2011 7:21:21 PM   
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Dear Abby,
I never thought I would be writing this...


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