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RE: A fictional episode - 12/26/2011 12:49:38 AM

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"Sorry you asked yet, Termy?!"

Nope.

Guilt is what keeps me good. Nothing else scares me, jail, death, all that bullshit. Morality is not imposed by some external force, it is exposed by an internal force. My morality allows me to do anything under the right circumstances. This is not to be taken lightly. I know people who did ten years in prison for someone else, they did it because they thought it the right thing to do. If I think someone needs killing I will not hesitate for a microsecond.

But that requires action on their part. It's not like you wake up in the morning one day and .......

We attach too much to certain things. If there is an afterlife, I will take my punishment for the things I have done willingly as long as I know that everyone else is judged and punished by the same standards. I'll take my shit if those MF get theirs too. I mean that, I really do. So what, for my crimes God burns me for fifteen millenia at 1.67 million degrees. What'd Hitler and Stalin get ? I am serious, I want to know.

But the fact is as far as I can see is that there is no afterlife in the sense that anyone concieves it. There is a part of you that is more than the sum of your parts and that is the part I believe cannot be destroyed. However what alot of people forget is that your race, gender, even your name are all based on your corporeal existence. As such when the bodty dies those things are gone.

What then ? Well if there is actually a connection, and communication between us at that point, you have no name, neither do I. We only have what we are, perhaps that is what we made ourselves during physical life. Beauty, strength, riches, even the adoration of others basically means shit at that point.

Then what are we at that point ? A part of some huge being of some type.

Perhaps we already are and just don't know it yet.

T^T

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/26/2011 8:44:49 AM

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My experiences have been, that whenever I screw anything up in this life, I sure don't have to wait for an afterlife to receive the bill and pay the debit, as the discomfort, inertia, pain, or separation it creates, causes me plenty of suffering in the here and now, which is my version of hell. Once I drop the body, will there be residual debts to pay? I dunno, but I hope not. I'm not into the suffering for the sake of suffering concept. I think we're meant to be joyous, happy, fulfilled critters, or at least we have the option to be. Whether we choose to or not is another thing. We create our own heavens or hells.

As for others being judged by the same standards afterwards, I dunno. We're not all affected or judged by the same standards during life, as no two things mean the same thing to different people at the same time. Some people are more or less sensitive, or have more or less conscience than others, so the degree of awareness, reason, or blowback for their crime may differ. Why would they require, or benefit from the same degree of judgement/punishment than others? A sensitive child needs not the same harsh admonishment as the insensitive one, nor would it necessarily be fair or just.

It would seem to me the idea of an eternal afterlife punishment is mongo overkill, counterproductive, and would only serve to please an insane, grudge-holding sadist. I don't know what/if God is, but I don't see/accept God as that. I suspect religions are external guideposts for those with weak, failing or non-existent moral compasses, but I could be wrong. I see no benefit to incessant punishment. When a dog/person exhibits inappropriate behavior, you offer correction and guidance. Once correction/guidance is accepted, modifies the offending behavior, and is replaced by good behavior, what is the point or purpose of continuing punishment? It would only serve to sour, and create fear, anger, resentment and retaliation. Where is the justice or wisdom in that?!

What are we, before and after? I assume energy, in one form or degree of density or another. Whether our identities we've accumulated while here follows us afterwards is an uknown to me.

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/26/2011 12:59:18 PM

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Fortunately, OKCupid has a test for this: The Apocalypse Survival Test

There are plenty of "outdoor adventure" tests on OKCupid, but this is a true survivors test. This is a 4 variable test on your true ability to survive a full world cataclysm. Whatever the scenario, be it Atomic bombs, alien invasion, meteor, great flood, etc., in the aftermath there are bound to be survivors. Are you one of them? Take it now and find out - you don't have to be a member.

My chance of survival: Preparedness: 54%, City Skills: 14%, Survival Skills: 58%, Nature Skills: 61%

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/26/2011 1:17:36 PM

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What a wonderful test, Kali. Thanks for suggesting it. My score:

Preparedness: 91%, City Skills: 71%, Survival Skills: 71%, Nature Skills: 69%

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/26/2011 11:11:19 PM

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I am not taking the test at this time. I said I was going to tell the rest of the story later, well it is later. I appreciate the input and I don't think it will go much farther really, so to reveal the rest of the story.

It opens to a Black couple, well some might call them "brown", in fact it doesn't matter except for possible genetic context. They were slightly better than average looking but no models or anything like that, they were not fat or anything, didn't wear glasses or anything. They were DINKs (double income no kids) and in their world a viable child hadn't been born in about ten years. I forget his job but she was a schoolteacher and loved kids. Close to the beginning of the show was her last day in class.

She was telling the students to register at the fertility clinic and become sexually active as soon as possible. She got home a bit down and her olman found a rubber. See, in this world in which there are no children, people do not want to try because those who do get pregnant almost always give birth to babies that are so deformed they really don't have a shot at anything.

They are imprisoned by the government which has not seen hardly any viable births in ten years. Their accomodations are nice, but a prison is a prison no matter how you decorate it. And once she actualy does deliver the baby, they won't let them even see it or hold it. Well there are other people who don't like the deal either and have formed a well organized and capable resistance group.

They have been involved in "terrorist" acts. This same couple saw the usual crap on TV and were like " WHY ? ". They found out the truth later and that nasty NWA took them out of the government facility. By then they wanted to go.

They took the couple and the baby to an encampment out in nowheresville, looks like people living off the land. and there were children.

In the beginning one doctor was on a committee with the feds, she argued about this and that it was our damn fault this happened. She was ordered to keep silent about it. I thought she was going to disobey but she didn't. She saw the couple as they first got into the hospital and it was found that the Woman was pregnant. The jack booted thugs came in of course, for your own protection.

Well she was there at the camp and explained it. There were some babies born without defects, and they all lived there. It was only a matter of years before the government all dies off and they would have a new world. And these people continually (I guess) snuck back into society, freeing couples who had a viable child so the government wouldn't take it away.

And they needed a schoolteacher.

T^T

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/26/2011 11:20:20 PM

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OK now I took it.

Your result for The Apocalypse Survival Test ...

Your chance of survival: Preparedness: 45%, City Skills: 71%, Survival Skills: 41%, Nature Skills: 15%

I think I am a dead MF.

T^T

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/26/2011 11:28:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

OK now I took it.

Your result for The Apocalypse Survival Test ...

Your chance of survival: Preparedness: 45%, City Skills: 71%, Survival Skills: 41%, Nature Skills: 15%

I think I am a dead MF.

T^T

Eeeehhh, don't worry Termy, I'll help ya out.

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 12:33:49 AM

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Can you smuggle guns and whiskey ?

T^T

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 12:42:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Fortunately, OKCupid has a test for this: The Apocalypse Survival Test

There are plenty of "outdoor adventure" tests on OKCupid, but this is a true survivors test. This is a 4 variable test on your true ability to survive a full world cataclysm. Whatever the scenario, be it Atomic bombs, alien invasion, meteor, great flood, etc., in the aftermath there are bound to be survivors. Are you one of them? Take it now and find out - you don't have to be a member.

My chance of survival: Preparedness: 54%, City Skills: 14%, Survival Skills: 58%, Nature Skills: 61%

No grizzlies in Oz (koala bears don't eat people either) or poison ivy. Still I don't like my survival chances.

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 12:43:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Can you smuggle guns and whiskey ?

T^T

More importantly, can she clean a fish while you're drinking whiskey and shooting off guns?

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 1:14:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

OK now I took it.

Your result for The Apocalypse Survival Test ...

Your chance of survival: Preparedness: 45%, City Skills: 71%, Survival Skills: 41%, Nature Skills: 15%

I think I am a dead MF.

T^T

64, 86, 71, 46. WTF does sailing have to do with keeping warm, dry, healthy, and alive?
Who thinks gold would be more tradeable than whiskey?
If you are by yourself, why do you need to know CPR?
#26: A flashlight is immediately useful, but not over a longer time span. A tarp will keep firewood dry.
#23: What if there's no way to boil water?
#21: forage for medicinal plants? Why not forage for pharms?

"While in the deep woods, managing your small nursery, a grizzly approaches. You give him your compass and tell him to pick a direction."

#15: A lot of people talk trash, but when faced with the need to kill, well...
#14: Over 15,000 miles on my thumb.

Ah, well, whatever...

Seems to me I did an "Apocalypse" thread here about a year or so ago. We all died.

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 2:52:34 AM

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Preparedness: 18%, City Skills: 86%, Survival Skills: 76%, Nature Skills: 31%

Ok, so the test figured out I'm broke. And my Lil'brother got all the fishing skills in my generation. It asked if I could shoot, but not how well, or if I had made over 50,000 rounds of ammunition. Being able to sail a nuclear submarine doesn't really count, but being qualified subs should. I can identify nearly any tool you can hold and point at. It's not on the test. CPR is useless post apocalypse. It is on the test. I don't recall first aid being there, was it? I built real good radios, for light aircraft. I ran three miles with a 100 foot wall of fire on my ass. I fell off a cliff and didn't even get hurt (I cheated). I have used a chainsaw more than a thousand hours, perhaps even two thousand. I have ridden my bike over a hundred miles before dark. I own a REI frame back pack, a sleeping bag, a tent, a NEW 5 micron water filter, milspec aircraft carrier binoculars and a Silva compass. I even know how to make beer. But I'm not prepared.

Something seems off.

Anyway, the question...What would I do. Kick, pass or punt?

Adding up the pluses and the minuses, I have to come down solidly on Kick.

For a few good reasons. Trying to be one of the last men standing requires a certain proactive attitude. Do unto others, first. This is the only prescription for any kind of longevity at all in any imaginable apocalypse. AND... if you don't want your head dented while you are sleeping, you have to do unto others in an obviously egalitarian manner. You cannot be perceived as a threat because you are willing and able to step up and deal. You can't just be bizarre madman, people have to both trust and respect you as well as appreciate the valuable service you provide, THEM, when you do unto others. You need a group to support you, ergo, you need to support your group, else you will become their problem...

Most important of all, the taking of profitable risks has a flipside. That being the fact that the likely end game, absent death by misadventure. is death by disease. That is an icky way to go. The reward of a long run. No hospital or doctor and all. Makes getting your head blown off seem maybe not so bad. After all, the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket.

Should you come through at all odds to the last, you have a lot of Wild Bill Hickockiness. Some pretty good stuff. Some good friends well picked and cultivated. Maybe something like a doctor. And a gradually dwindling supply of enemies. And THEN you die.

Beats passing, and punting is pointless.

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 5:10:36 AM

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Eeeehhh, don't worry Termy, I'll help ya out.

Looks like everyone would benefit by your help! Impressive scores :)

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 7:56:28 AM

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Let me point out that this test was, as Wikipedia likes to put it, "not representative of a global view."

Still, there has never been a more abysmal failure at emergency survival than me, apparently.

Let the zombie aliens keep thinking that while I sneak up and sneeze on them.

Meanwhile, that Grizzly is a surefire sign that I'm hallucinating, seeing as the nearest one would be in Alaska and unlikely to charter a boat here just to harass me. If it's real, that neat ability to hide in 20cm of grass kind of voids any assumptions about the correct way to handle one, and I'm going to have to go with putting down the carbine before anyone gets hurt, and then say "I come in peace. That's a mighty cool trick there, Mr. Bear. With your stealth skillz and my opposable thumbs, I think we can do great things together. How about it?"

I, for one, welcome our new sea-faring Stealth Grizzly overlords.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 8:41:22 AM

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Your chance of survival: Preparedness: 18%, City Skills: 71%, Survival Skills: 71%, Nature Skills: 38%
I'm pretty sure that my survival skills aren't really that high. Besides, my boys and I have already (yeah, we talk about this kinda stuff) decided that if the apocalypse happens, we will rendezvous at the Army Reserve's armory, that is about 4 blocks away. In the meantime, I'm gonna get me some of those portable water filters. Then, I'm heading south to bust my eldest son outa the joint, cuz he's beast and I'm gonna need some muscle. Ohh...umm, and because I love him - of course.

WinD

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 8:55:44 AM

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Can you smuggle guns and whiskey ?

T^T

Prolly, and I can shoot AND drink! Aren't I the talented one?!

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 9:06:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Can you smuggle guns and whiskey ?

T^T

More importantly, can she clean a fish while you're drinking whiskey and shooting off guns?

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 9:23:14 AM

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Eeeehhh, don't worry Termy, I'll help ya out.

Looks like everyone would benefit by your help! Impressive scores :)

Impressive is as impressive does. We'll just have to wait until the SHTF before I truly know how well I would or wouldn't do.

Not to worry dearie, I'm a resourceful and generous soul, and will always have room for you in the group. I'm sure you've got some usefull skills you can trade on. Everybody's good at something.

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 9:39:58 AM

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That would be a definite yes. In fact, I love chopping off their heads and guttin' 'em. I'm a talented gal, dontcha know?!

Here's me cutting up a elk cow last year. I'm the one in the darker jeans, with the dark brown hair. Notice the orbs all around us.

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RE: A fictional episode - 12/27/2011 9:42:08 AM

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Maybe the pics will work this time...

Oh crap, I give up. Sorry folks

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