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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:02:27 PM   
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As to his ideology being stuck in the 50's, I couldn't disagree more. Gravity was first talked about by Newton, the law still applies. Keynesian economic principles were created by a socialist who deplored capitalism, most don't know that. These principles create the booms and bust in our economic cycle and when exploited by crony capitalists (the good ole boys that look out for their own that everyone else pretty much hates) leads to legislation rigging the game so that the principles of liberty and of everyone having a shot at creating wealth through hard work and ingenuity are unreachable by the vast majority.



WTF are you talking about? Do you think Keynes and anarcho-capitalism are the only two economics schools? Back to class.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:04:45 PM   
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Hmmmmm........ going back to the gold standard..........about as probable as going back to prohibition.
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Hard to argue that point...but to say that he's crazy because he aspires to it (or at least, backing our money with something real....tangible)....hardly makes him a nut case as others have suggested.

It's almost like saying the guy who opts to pay cash for his house or car is a fruit loop because everyone else has a mortgage.  Rational people use a mortgage.

True....just because the guy who pays cash is probably outside of the loop as to general likelihood....just doesn't make him insane.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:08:21 PM   
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As to his ideology being stuck in the 50's, I couldn't disagree more. Gravity was first talked about by Newton, the law still applies. Keynesian economic principles were created by a socialist who deplored capitalism, most don't know that. These principles create the booms and bust in our economic cycle and when exploited by crony capitalists (the good ole boys that look out for their own that everyone else pretty much hates) leads to legislation rigging the game so that the principles of liberty and of everyone having a shot at creating wealth through hard work and ingenuity are unreachable by the vast majority.



WTF are you talking about? Do you think Keynes and anarcho-capitalism are the only two economics schools? Back to class.


I will say this for you Wilbur, you have an amazing knack for picking out minute items out of people's posts and then coming up with befuddling arguments that have nearly always zero relationship to the point a poster was making.

But hey...at least you're consistent.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:28:24 PM   
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Hmmmmm........ going back to the gold standard..........about as probable as going back to prohibition.
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Hard to argue that point...but to say that he's crazy because he aspires to it (or at least, backing our money with something real....tangible)....hardly makes him a nut case as others have suggested.

It's almost like saying the guy who opts to pay cash for his house or car is a fruit loop because everyone else has a mortgage.  Rational people use a mortgage.

True....just because the guy who pays cash is probably outside of the loop as to general likelihood....just doesn't make him insane.

He`s done to the Federal Reserve Bank what cons have done to government in general.

Making it out to be a scary ,uncontrollable monster beast out to hurt Americans.

While I`m not going to defend the fed,I`m also no fan of conspiracy theories or extreme moves like ending the FRB outright or ending all aid to Israel or ending all government regulation,etc.

I will say I like that Paul is one a only a few GOP candidates who aren`t flip-flopping hypocrite desperate double-talkers.


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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:28:35 PM   
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As to his ideology being stuck in the 50's, I couldn't disagree more. Gravity was first talked about by Newton, the law still applies. Keynesian economic principles were created by a socialist who deplored capitalism, most don't know that. These principles create the booms and bust in our economic cycle and when exploited by crony capitalists (the good ole boys that look out for their own that everyone else pretty much hates) leads to legislation rigging the game so that the principles of liberty and of everyone having a shot at creating wealth through hard work and ingenuity are unreachable by the vast majority.



WTF are you talking about? Do you think Keynes and anarcho-capitalism are the only two economics schools? Back to class.


I will say this for you Wilbur, you have an amazing knack for picking out minute items out of people's posts and then coming up with befuddling arguments that have nearly always zero relationship to the point a poster was making.

But hey...at least you're consistent.



Apparently you dont understand what he was saying, because it was far from "minute". But hey...at least you're consistent.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:33:37 PM   
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As to his ideology being stuck in the 50's, I couldn't disagree more. Gravity was first talked about by Newton, the law still applies. Keynesian economic principles were created by a socialist who deplored capitalism, most don't know that. These principles create the booms and bust in our economic cycle and when exploited by crony capitalists (the good ole boys that look out for their own that everyone else pretty much hates) leads to legislation rigging the game so that the principles of liberty and of everyone having a shot at creating wealth through hard work and ingenuity are unreachable by the vast majority.



WTF are you talking about? Do you think Keynes and anarcho-capitalism are the only two economics schools? Back to class.


I will say this for you Wilbur, you have an amazing knack for picking out minute items out of people's posts and then coming up with befuddling arguments that have nearly always zero relationship to the point a poster was making.

But hey...at least you're consistent.



Apparently you dont understand what he was saying, because it was far from "minute". But hey...at least you're consistent.


His wasn't the post that left me curious about the connection to the original post and follow on comments.

His made quite a bit of sense.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:40:02 PM   
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Hard to argue that point...but to say that he's crazy because he aspires to it (or at least, backing our money with something real....tangible)....hardly makes him a nut case as others have suggested.


Just a question. If we are on a gold standard, and a huge find is discovered in a country like Tanzania in 2009, what happens?

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:44:20 PM   
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Hard to argue that point...but to say that he's crazy because he aspires to it (or at least, backing our money with something real....tangible)....hardly makes him a nut case as others have suggested.


Just a question. If we are on a gold standard, and a huge find is discovered in a country like Tanzania in 2009, what happens?


That's easy....based on the current system, the U.S. would print up a trillion dollars and buy it :)

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 10:49:06 PM   
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I never said anything about Keynes and Anarcho-capitalism being the only two schools of economics, and actually Ron Paul hails from the Austrian viewpoint. To suggest I was saying that is just intellectually dishonest.

As to returning to a gold standard, you wouldn't need to use gold, you could back it with any commodity, however, the primary thing Ron Paul suggests is that competing currencies should be allowed. There are a lot of gross generalizations from people who obviously haven't taken the time to read what Ron actually says, and he says quite a lot that is readily available.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 11:07:17 PM   
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Hard to argue that point...but to say that he's crazy because he aspires to it (or at least, backing our money with something real....tangible)....hardly makes him a nut case as others have suggested.


Just a question. If we are on a gold standard, and a huge find is discovered in a country like Tanzania in 2009, what happens?



Tazzy, then we raise the price of everything we sell to Tanzania.
Now, after all the CRAP from Dems and Repubs I'm more than willing to try something new!
ALL of the problems we have today have been caused by D's and R's.
And all the presidents in the last 20 years have gotten worse and worse so that now we have the worst president in modern history.
Let's give Ron Paul a shot, it sounds like he has some good ideas!

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/25/2011 11:16:58 PM   
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That idea worries me pops. What happens if gold floods the markets? I do have other issues with him, but this one truly just perplexes me.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 1:00:07 AM   
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That idea worries me pops. What happens if gold floods the markets? I do have other issues with him, but this one truly just perplexes me.


Then that would be a "good" thing, anything that crashes this "global economy" is a good thing.
Of course the big corporations don't want that to happen.
Funny thing is, it wouldn't really affect the little guy just the big guys like them thus their strident defense of this "global economy."
Do you believe an insurance salesman who tells you his product is going to make your life better?
Don't believe big corporations either, they're out for their own interests not ours.
We need to throw them the hell out of Washington.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 1:43:02 AM   
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Hard to argue that point...but to say that he's crazy because he aspires to it (or at least, backing our money with something real....tangible)....hardly makes him a nut case as others have suggested.


Just a question. If we are on a gold standard, and a huge find is discovered in a country like Tanzania in 2009, what happens?


The value would go down. Actually, what he wants is competing currencies backed by "real" stuff (to get technical :) )
Like there is no law of nature to say we can't have a gold backed dollar, and a silver backed dollar, and a copper backed dollar at the same time, it's not difficult in this day and age. So, there is is price stability, no one could ever corner the market on gold, silver, copper, platinum, etc... at the same time. And if you want to protect yourself against the risk of a huge "gold" find, then simply diversify your cash.

You can do that today to if you want, there is no law that says you can't hold Euros, dollars, yen, it's just most don't do it. The difference is if you could freely use gold, copper, silver, platinum backed money in day to day life, the ability of governments, individuals, and organizations to manipulate them would largely diminish.




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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 2:15:31 AM   
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Obviously he ain't one of the boys, which would be one of his stronger points as far as I'm concerned, but it won't help him in party politics. They dry gulched McCain with the crudest tactics imaginable when he was looking like a strong candidate and left us with an enraged errand boy, and laughed while they did it. That whole election was a farce from the primaries on.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 2:38:11 AM   
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That goes for gay, straight, bi
no it doesn't, and it also doesn't go if your poor and black either. sorry, but i just don't buy his "i didn't know" excuse about the newsletters.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 2:40:46 AM   
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What is it about Ron Paul? I don't know. I have noticed, however, that the sickening majority of his supporters are very focused on his liberal stance on marijuana. To the point that they really don't think about anything else. It's first and foremost on their minds. And they really don't seem to care much about any of his other policies and ideas, as long as they are able to legally get blazed. Most of them seem just a tad TOO pre-occupied with this single point for me to not be concerned about their ability to vote. Now, I don't really give a half a shit either way on that point (other than medical use, which I am entirely in favour of), but even if I did, I don't think that's the biggest thing we should be looking at as a political stance right now in this country.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 4:22:06 AM   
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We all know that Mitt is the candidate that looks Presidential, keeps a solid position in the polls - and the Republicans don't like.

But what's the story with Ron Paul?  The guy has never had the whiff of scandal, has held consistent positions for years, and has a strong third place position in the polls. I consider him a more credible candidate than Newt any day.  He's also shown solid fundraising strength.

So why won't the GOP show this guy any love?



The GOP hates him, because most of them are neocons, which is a group of people that view everything through the prism of war and force. I think it's psychological damage brought on from decades of the Cold War, and a large group of mostly 50 years and older geriatrics still live in that world. They will be dying off slowly but surely, they've already lost the GOP of the future, the percentages flip in the younger crowd.

So, maybe they can stop the inevitable change that is coming for another election cycle or two, but the neo-cons are literally a dying breed.

So, short answer, they have mental issues, and obsess on violent solutions at every turn.


Wow, I didn't realize they were so bad. But are you sure they are going to die soon. Maybe we should line them all up and shoot them. Just to be safe.


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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:27:25 AM   
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Did he happen to mention paranoia?

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:12:31 AM   
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We all know that Mitt is the candidate that looks Presidential, keeps a solid position in the polls - and the Republicans don't like.

But what's the story with Ron Paul?  The guy has never had the whiff of scandal, has held consistent positions for years, and has a strong third place position in the polls. I consider him a more credible candidate than Newt any day.  He's also shown solid fundraising strength.

So why won't the GOP show this guy any love?



The GOP hates him, because most of them are neocons, which is a group of people that view everything through the prism of war and force. I think it's psychological damage brought on from decades of the Cold War, and a large group of mostly 50 years and older geriatrics still live in that world. They will be dying off slowly but surely, they've already lost the GOP of the future, the percentages flip in the younger crowd.

So, maybe they can stop the inevitable change that is coming for another election cycle or two, but the neo-cons are literally a dying breed.

So, short answer, they have mental issues, and obsess on violent solutions at every turn.


Wow, I didn't realize they were so bad. But are you sure they are going to die soon. Maybe we should line them all up and shoot them. Just to be safe.


Tell us............ how bad is 4500 young American GIs killed............over a lie(s)?

At least Paul wouldn`t have mislead us into war, like your other party leaders would have/did.

And he certainly wouldn`t have leaked a CIA agent`s ID to our enemies like your party leaders did.

There really are cock-suckers who deserve to be pissed on in public over their conduct.

Sorry...... that your delicate sensibilities are ruffled so. Not.


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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 6:05:31 PM   
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Paul is called racist due to remarks made in some of his newsletters, back in the '80s, like the following (source is The Weekly Standard):

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Though particular articles rarely carried a byline, the vast majority were written in the first person, while the title of the newsletter, in its various iterations, always featured Paul’s name: Ron Paul’s Freedom Report, the Ron Paul Political Report, the Ron Paul Survival Report, and the Ron Paul Investment Letter. What I found was unpleasant.

“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks,” read a typical article from the June 1992 “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism,” a supplement to the Ron Paul Political Report. Racial apocalypse was the most persistent theme of the newsletters; a 1990 issue warned of “The Coming Race War,” and an article the following year about disturbances in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., was entitled “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” Paul alleged that Martin Luther King Jr., “the world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours,” had also “seduced underage girls and boys.” The man who would later proclaim King a “hero” attacked Ronald Reagan for signing legislation creating the federal holiday in his name, complaining, “We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”

He's also famous for conspiracy theories, for example:

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In a March 2009 interview, Paul entertained Jones’s claim that NORTHCOM, the U.S. military’s combatant command for North America, is “taking over” the country. “The average member of Congress probably isn’t a participant in the grand conspiracy,” Paul reassured the fevered host, essentially acknowledging that such a conspiracy exists. “We need to take out the CIA."



I've read the article you cited. If these things are true, where ARE the journalists that should be investigating and publishing this?

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