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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 6:15:52 PM   
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Paul wrote of his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

[It] not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.[264]


Sadly, he seems to believe that is all the Civil Rights Act did.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:01:56 PM   
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Here's the thing,he(Dr.Paul) is an interesting candidate to listen to,by that I mean he has some rather novel ideas.He has some radicals POV...so keeping all of that in mind ...he is interesting.
The thought of him actually being elected to any office with a singular power base(above of course being a member of the House,wherein some of his crazier impulses are blunted by dint of being only one part of such a large august body)is scar as all get out.
Let's face it he is borderline ratso rizzo crazy.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:07:14 PM   
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Other than making way for some court cases, he is right. People shoved together who do not want to be together are unlikely to get along well. the right idea but at the wrong time. It actually was counterproductive.

But don't believe me, I was in it. I saw alot of things in the late 1960s and well into the 1980s that would put hair on your chest, curl it and take it off in one fell swoop. There were Black areas Whites would not dare to go into without weapons, and vice versa. And even here at the supposed home of rock and roll, Blacks were literally beaten out of a White rock concert. Amazing since without the Black influence rock might not even exist in anywhere near it's form. Well I guess we would still have the English...........

It's like a fish tank, you don't put cetain species together or there will be trouble and your invesment is toast, or actually I guess ground fish meat. You have no fucking idea how many people are at the bottom of our formerly flammable river who are presumed moved out of state or whatever. People died here because of this shit, and I know for a fact that 50% percent of the White kids got moved the fuck out or dropped out of public schools when that motherfucker Battisti ordered busing here. A few, VERY few with money stayed and sent their kids to Catholic schools. Forced integration WAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED.

Paul is a realist. If I am not given a choice, I will not accept someone. I suspect "they" are the same. And I don't blame "them" a bit.

And what if what Ron Paul said (stipulating that he did say it) about the welfare checks is true ? With he demographics and institutionalized bigotry at the time the statement probably is true. You know it's bad enough when you put up with a politician lying, but it is worse when you castigate one for telling the truth. So to use the welfare line against him, at least prove it to be a lie.

I don't know and I don't care, all I know is that he's the only one out there with any common sense.

Answer me this : What jobs have all these politicians had before ? Bush's job was to kill Texas oil companies and I think his son furthered the family tradition a bit. Clinton was a carreer blowjob recipient of Arkansas. Who knows what Nixon did and Carter was a commercial peanut farmer with a buddy in Iran, which started a whole bunch of more shit as if we fucking needed it.

You talk about candidtates' military record ? The motherfuckers are up in a plane pushing a button that drops bombs on civilians, heroes in the making by "God".

The only one anyone can prove ever worked a day in their life at this point is Ron Paul. And I am not saying he born the son of a sharecropper, or Willie Wonka's brother fighting for the cabbage soup. He got an education. He's a fucking doctor, and NOT an honorary doctor. So is his son. Did they get ANY federal money in life ? Well we all did, in the form of roads and shit if nothing else. But Ron and Rand probably paid more than a bunch of us in taxes because they have a fucking SKILL. Bet they even have a work ethic.

This anti abortionism and the too radical changes to the monetary system are not all that workable, but there is some common sense involved. If I could bend Ron Paul's ear for a bit I bet he would agree that we cannot scrap the current system. But there could be changes made, strict limits to the amount of money that can be printed and/or borrowed.

And he is right about this much, if we can't live within our means then we deserve the consequences, NOW, instead of passing the buck to the next generatiion, which assholes like FDR did who apparently have the foresight of a fucking earthworm, we might make some progress. They were warned as to what would happen and they did it anyway for temoporary comfort, and votes of course. They were warned that the result would be pretty much EXACTLY the state of affairs in which we find ourselves today. We are still paying interest on that chicken in every pot.

That was fine to a point. When we had a decent economy we could afford it. But now that they have gutted it we are fucked.

Obama deserves to lose fo signing that abomination of a health care act. I know it was half written under Bush but he needs to be boiled in oil. Obama only deserves unbearable obscurity.

To put it bluntly, you are all used to the nanny state, and as such you will hate Ron Paul after four years of him at the helm. But the country would have a chance at getting better. I put the need of the country above my wants and whims in most cases. You cannot vote for Ron paul if you don't do that.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:13:11 PM   
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Paul is called racist due to remarks made in some of his newsletters, back in the '80s, like the following (source is The Weekly Standard):

quote:

Though particular articles rarely carried a byline, the vast majority were written in the first person, while the title of the newsletter, in its various iterations, always featured Paul’s name: Ron Paul’s Freedom Report, the Ron Paul Political Report, the Ron Paul Survival Report, and the Ron Paul Investment Letter. What I found was unpleasant.

“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks,” read a typical article from the June 1992 “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism,” a supplement to the Ron Paul Political Report. Racial apocalypse was the most persistent theme of the newsletters; a 1990 issue warned of “The Coming Race War,” and an article the following year about disturbances in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., was entitled “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” Paul alleged that Martin Luther King Jr., “the world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours,” had also “seduced underage girls and boys.” The man who would later proclaim King a “hero” attacked Ronald Reagan for signing legislation creating the federal holiday in his name, complaining, “We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”

He's also famous for conspiracy theories, for example:

quote:

In a March 2009 interview, Paul entertained Jones’s claim that NORTHCOM, the U.S. military’s combatant command for North America, is “taking over” the country. “The average member of Congress probably isn’t a participant in the grand conspiracy,” Paul reassured the fevered host, essentially acknowledging that such a conspiracy exists. “We need to take out the CIA."



I've read the article you cited. If these things are true, where ARE the journalists that should be investigating and publishing this?

They've been asking him questions on TV and he essentially runs away from them.  He's been saying that staffers wrote the newsletters and he had no idea of the content - even as he and his wife are the top two officers.  Or that it's way in the past.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:16:54 PM   
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Paul alleged that Martin Luther King Jr., “the world-class philanderer


There were many such allegations, not all of them disproven BTW.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:18:09 PM   
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I never said anything about Keynes and Anarcho-capitalism being the only two schools of economics, and actually Ron Paul hails from the Austrian viewpoint. To suggest I was saying that is just intellectually dishonest.

As to returning to a gold standard, you wouldn't need to use gold, you could back it with any commodity, however, the primary thing Ron Paul suggests is that competing currencies should be allowed. There are a lot of gross generalizations from people who obviously haven't taken the time to read what Ron actually says, and he says quite a lot that is readily available.


Class....please stop fucking this conversation up with facts.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:20:08 PM   
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Hard to argue that point...but to say that he's crazy because he aspires to it (or at least, backing our money with something real....tangible)....hardly makes him a nut case as others have suggested.


Just a question. If we are on a gold standard, and a huge find is discovered in a country like Tanzania in 2009, what happens?


Tazzy, then we raise the price of everything we sell to Tanzania.
Now, after all the CRAP from Dems and Repubs I'm more than willing to try something new!
ALL of the problems we have today have been caused by D's and R's.
And all the presidents in the last 20 years have gotten worse and worse so that now we have the worst president in modern history.
Let's give Ron Paul a shot, it sounds like he has some good ideas!


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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:20:28 PM   
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“We need to take out the CIA."

The Conspiracy Industry Association that is. You don't know what they do ? They do about the same shit as the Mossad, KGB and such. Most war loving nations have such an agency. I forget the name of the one in China but it might be Samsung.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:22:27 PM   
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I found some of Paul's points of view to be valid. Finding out that as late as 1992 (vs 1962) he's making racist comments totally blows his credibility with me.

(For the record, I don't think that statement would have been OK in '62, either.)

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:28:01 PM   
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That idea worries me pops. What happens if gold floods the markets? I do have other issues with him, but this one truly just perplexes me.


Hon...unless they find an incredible stash of gold (which by the way....hasn't happened in millennia...but...it could....but it hasn't....in MILLENIA)....gold will hold its value....with variation.

Kinda like oil.  Except....

We're finding shitloads of it here in the U.S.....so are other countries...we're literally 5 years away from being awash in oil.

But the world is going to demand more and more and......(of oil)...China.

(Ain't gonna happen with gold....fact....done...over).

Less there is (with gold)...the better.

More there is with oil.....etc.

It's all good (or bad....depends on how you view things).

If someone finds a shitload of gold...trust me....it'll be a (VERY) well kept secret.

(It's a gift and a curse).

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:29:54 PM   
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That idea worries me pops. What happens if gold floods the markets? I do have other issues with him, but this one truly just perplexes me.


Then that would be a "good" thing, anything that crashes this "global economy" is a good thing.
Of course the big corporations don't want that to happen.
Funny thing is, it wouldn't really affect the little guy just the big guys like them thus their strident defense of this "global economy."
Do you believe an insurance salesman who tells you his product is going to make your life better?
Don't believe big corporations either, they're out for their own interests not ours.
We need to throw them the hell out of Washington.


(I need to go see someone smarter than me.....that's 2 Popeye has dropped on me).

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:37:54 PM   
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What is it about Ron Paul? I don't know. I have noticed, however, that the sickening majority of his supporters are very focused on his liberal stance on marijuana. To the point that they really don't think about anything else. It's first and foremost on their minds. And they really don't seem to care much about any of his other policies and ideas, as long as they are able to legally get blazed. Most of them seem just a tad TOO pre-occupied with this single point for me to not be concerned about their ability to vote. Now, I don't really give a half a shit either way on that point (other than medical use, which I am entirely in favour of), but even if I did, I don't think that's the biggest thing we should be looking at as a political stance right now in this country.


The existing parties fear him...."the machine"....he'll blow out the military complex....he'll eliminate the Davis Bacon act (and if he's successful...that 12 million bucks a mile for a road...will drop to about 5 million...and with no work stoppages)...he'll stop all the bullshit.

He'll spend your money as if it were his own.

(More importantly...as if it were mine).

The ONLY way he can win is....if enough people say "I don't give a fuck 'who is electable'....this IS the guy...and I'm gonna vote for him".

If people vote their conscience...he'll be the next Prez.....if people vote for "who can be elected"....he won't be.

This is Perot all over again.

Perot got 17%, when he should have gotten (by all math) 3 - 5%.

This guy is the guy.

He's the guy.

He's the fucking guy.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:39:34 PM   
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His big ideas will not involve any change in the tax favoritism and spigot to big business.


dickhead, this statement of yours shows you know nothing of the man you speak.  He's been for abolishing the income tax since day one.  If that doesn't "involve any change in tax favoritism" then nothing ever could.



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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:41:54 PM   
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Tell us............ how bad is 4500 young American GIs killed............over a lie(s)?

At least Paul wouldn`t have mislead us into war, like your other party leaders would have/did.

And he certainly wouldn`t have leaked a CIA agent`s ID to our enemies like your party leaders did.

There really are cock-suckers who deserve to be pissed on in public over their conduct.

Sorry...... that your delicate sensibilities are ruffled so. Not.



Don't tend to agree with "Owner" very often but....this guy has it.

He's one of two things....

He's the antichrist....or the whole enchilada.

I'm voting for the latter.

JJ

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:43:04 PM   
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Paul is called racist due to remarks made in some of his newsletters, back in the '80s, like the following (source is The Weekly Standard):

quote:

Though particular articles rarely carried a byline, the vast majority were written in the first person, while the title of the newsletter, in its various iterations, always featured Paul’s name: Ron Paul’s Freedom Report, the Ron Paul Political Report, the Ron Paul Survival Report, and the Ron Paul Investment Letter. What I found was unpleasant.

“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks,” read a typical article from the June 1992 “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism,” a supplement to the Ron Paul Political Report. Racial apocalypse was the most persistent theme of the newsletters; a 1990 issue warned of “The Coming Race War,” and an article the following year about disturbances in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., was entitled “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” Paul alleged that Martin Luther King Jr., “the world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours,” had also “seduced underage girls and boys.” The man who would later proclaim King a “hero” attacked Ronald Reagan for signing legislation creating the federal holiday in his name, complaining, “We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.”

He's also famous for conspiracy theories, for example:

quote:

In a March 2009 interview, Paul entertained Jones’s claim that NORTHCOM, the U.S. military’s combatant command for North America, is “taking over” the country. “The average member of Congress probably isn’t a participant in the grand conspiracy,” Paul reassured the fevered host, essentially acknowledging that such a conspiracy exists. “We need to take out the CIA."



I've read the article you cited. If these things are true, where ARE the journalists that should be investigating and publishing this?


But they won't....unless you claim it.

You can make Ron Paul a contender.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:46:22 PM   
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I found some of Paul's points of view to be valid. Finding out that as late as 1992 (vs 1962) he's making racist comments totally blows his credibility with me.

(For the record, I don't think that statement would have been OK in '62, either.)


More research...those weren't his words.

How may times have you heard people tell you what you said....only to find it wasn't (even close)?

Research.  Homework.

It's the one thing that separates us from Rhesus Monkeys.

This election is key.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:50:16 PM   
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Perhaps he sholud take better care to insure objectionable views should not be disseminated under his banner than
And in his name

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 7:50:35 PM   
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Gold, iron, lead, all metals, are extremely rare in the universe--which is mostly hydrogen.  This is because stars turn hydrogen into heavier elements, like metals.  Gold has a distinction of being created during supernovas.  That we have all these metals on earth, abundantly, tells me alot.  Imagine life w/o metals.  No electronics.  No bridges.  No swords.  No anything!  Gold has value because it cannot be created by man.  It is the ultimate store of value.  Our whole civilization would not exist but for these heavy metals abundantly available to us.  Without the huge magnet the Earth is, that keeps solar radiation from frying us, or the temperatures that keep the oceans liquid, or a large satelite (the moon), there could be no life on Earth.  We are the perfect distance from the sun.  Everything is too perfect.  There had to be a designer.  That there are metals for mankind to build civilations is too rich.  There definitely is God. He took care of our needs. 


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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 8:04:38 PM   
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I found some of Paul's points of view to be valid. Finding out that as late as 1992 (vs 1962) he's making racist comments totally blows his credibility with me.

(For the record, I don't think that statement would have been OK in '62, either.)


More research...those weren't his words.

How may times have you heard people tell you what you said....only to find it wasn't (even close)?

Research.  Homework.

It's the one thing that separates us from Rhesus Monkeys.
This election is key.

JJ





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/26/ron-paul-newsletters-swiftness-of-black-men_n_1169990.html

Researched and read. Care to do the same?

ETA: I thought there was that "opposable thumb" issue too....?


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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 8:04:59 PM   
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Gold, iron, lead, all metals, are extremely rare in the universe--which is mostly hydrogen.  This is because stars turn hydrogen into heavier elements, like metals.  Gold has a distinction of being created during supernovas. 

Well, Mr. Chemist, all the elements above Fe on the Periodic Table were created during supernovae, according to those who study such things.

So let's have US currency backed by lead.


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